Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Mango Cobra]

Point well taken.

So far, Hardin has the distinct advantage that he is not screwing around like he is on some crusade or goofing around with us here. He's just representing his client and keeping it professional. If we start seeing Hardin T-shirts with some dumb-ass logo on them, I'll begin to worry.

I'll worry when I start seeing shirts with a tag line of "Harden the Hardin" or something. Till then I've got full faith and confidence in Hardin.

 

[Mind Goblins]

So far, Hardin has the distinct advantage that he is not screwing around like he is on some crusade or goofing around with us here.

That we know of. If @Bruno Powroznik ends up being Hardin just keeping himself employed I won't even be mad, I'll just laugh my way back to the bank to get a money order for the war chest.

 

[CEO of Gay]

It was the District Court that punted it. I don't blame them. They must have been thrilled when Russhole failed to oppose the motion.

I like to imagine the judge, clerk, and their staffs were getting some measure of entertainment from Russhole's incoherent ramblings about his plights. I can also readily imagine them getting tired of his bullshit. I visualize them having the grant of motion to change venue already typed up and ready to go, waiting for Russhole to blow them off one last time. The clerk's assistant sits there, watching the clock with a little anxiety. When the second hand rolled past the deadline, the clerk's assistant says to himself, "Thank God. Well, it's Florida's problem now!" as he clicks Send.

And phv is generally a formality unless opposed or the lawyer in question is specifically persona non grata in that jurisdiction, a very rare situation, and is generally granted nunc pro tunc (back to the time of the application), so when it is granted, the motions filed before it is granted are retroactively properly filed.

Since Russhole is Pro Se, can he file a motion to oppose Hardin's PHV? I doubt he would even think of such a thing, and even if he did, I doubt it would be anything other than hilariously incoherent.

Couldn't help noticing that Hardin is bringing up the prostitution stuff harder now. Maybe he wants to prejudice the Christian female judge against shitlips.

Could this potentially backfire against Hardin? Whether by the judge realizing she's formed a negative opinion of the plaintiff too early and deciding to recuse herself, or by getting annoyed at Hardin for transparent attempts to manipulate her emotions against the plaintiff?

 

[Napoleon III]

Failure to Prosecute the claims is a clean problem free and pretty much unappealable way to dispose of the entire mess. Just as the Utah Court realized that kicking it to Florida was the most problem free least appealable mechanism of dealing with it.

The best way to deal with any bureaucrat is to make the easiest solution to give you what you want. Giving the judge an excuse to tell Greer to FUCK OFF is probably the best way to do that. I wouldn't be surprised if it works.

Couldn't help noticing that Hardin is bringing up the prostitution stuff harder now. Maybe he wants to prejudice the Christian female judge against shitlips.

It's a good idea and such an obvious thing to do that a complete legal idiot like me brought it up, but it could prove to be quite effective.

Remember one of the reasons Greer mentioned as for reasons the case should be stayed while he gets lawyers is that he didn't have the money but would have the money once he got his Brothel working.

What do you think a Christian Mother would think of that suggestion?

Careful Kiwibros. Don't heap too much praise on Hardin at this point. Lolsuits have a disturbing habit of becoming major disappointments on this forum. As many of you here can attest.

This is why I confidently asserted this case would end anti-climatically in an earlier post. I would be happy to be wrong because it would mean more entertainment. A trip to the Supreme court would be delightful.

That being said a lot of Lolsuits have failed because they have been ill-considered or done by bad lawyers. Vic Lasgasna lost his case but Chris Avellone won his. Joshua CONNER Moon, bane of mountain jews, has extremely clear reasons for his suits and wants extremely specific and limited things, while relying on a lawyer with a proven track-record.

Things could go wrong and I like the saying "if you think you are winning you are losing" for a reason but I am not a party in this case so I can count the chickens before they hatch without too much ill effect. If I was Moon or Hardin however I would be constantly checking myself and everything I am doing to make sure I don't fuck this up.

 

[StinkySnack]

Remember one of the reasons Greer mentioned as for reasons the case should be stayed while he gets lawyers is that he didn't have the money but would have the money once he got his Brothel working.

Russell definitely did not say that.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

"Since that document was filed, Defendants became aware of even more pro se cases filed by Mr. Greer in the local courts of Nevada"

How many Nevada cases does he have? Hey Matt, if we've missed something, shoot us a DM mmkay?

Edit: or just get it in the record like the game show lawyers did, that's also cool

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

We're not on today's order list from SCOTUS so we'll find out if we're granted or denied on April Fools lol

Truly, the best possible April Fool’s joke Null could pull is getting the case accepted.

 

[Napoleon III]

Russell definitely did not say that.

You are correct and I was incorrect. I blended together something that a KF user said with what Greer said in a filing. He didn't explicitly say that he would get money from a brothel to pay for his lawyers. That was just the implication based on the filing timeline.

Good on you for correcting me. Sometimes events blend together like this in my head. This is especially true because I often don't read all of the filing and only read the highlights in the screencaps posted here.

For reference this is the filing in which I though Greer talked about this which disproves what I said earlier.

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I still think my general point still stands. Greer having to fulfill the obligations of running a brothel and not being able to make legal filings at the same time would not sit well even if Hardin would have to be the one to point that out.

 

[Blackstar]

Josh has said that Hardin has researched previous lolcow related lawsuits like the one with Vic to see what went wrong, so he's going to be aware of those previous fuck ups.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm hoping we see a repeat of the Utah case where Russ files a motion to stay instead of a proper response, causing based negro justice Clarice Thomas's nostrils to flare to so violently that the resulting sonic boom shatters windows as far as Union Station.

As funny as that would be Russ is not  required to file a reply. The SCOTUS would just ignore it and make a decision a few weeks later.

 

[Kosher Salt]

I don't think his provided "Suite 108420" is correct but the USPS address validator seems happy with it.

These private box places are nothing as far as the usps is concerned- they deliver to the address and let them sort it out.

Yeah, as far as the USPS is concerned, suite numbers are not part of the address. PO box numbers just go to a post office. If they don't have a box with the number, they return to sender. Otherwise, it goes to the address. If the suite number doesn't exist, the address can return to sender. But I'd imagine that there is an understanding between the private box company and the leasing management office that handles their mail. Anything starting with their suite number, #108, gets delivered to them, and they use the remaining 3 digits to determine which of their customers is the recipient.

Imagine when the clerk tells him he can't send email and has to fax or postal mail his documents. I mean sure the clerk could accept them via email, but it would be funny if they don't.

There's an order from the prior court saying that the clerk should. I'd expect that unless it's supplanted somehow, it should remain in effect.

i had assumed that the dockets would be the same, with anything new only being added to the docket in florida.

That is indeed how it's supposed to work*. Russell's just retarded.

*With the exception of two final docket items in Utah - report on the final decision mailed to the US Copyright Office, and notice of the docket's transmittal to Florida. Those would appear in the Utah docket, but not the Florida docket.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Could this potentially backfire against Hardin? Whether by the judge realizing she's formed a negative opinion of the plaintiff too early and deciding to recuse herself, or by getting annoyed at Hardin for transparent attempts to manipulate her emotions against the plaintiff?

I could see that potential for backfiring if Hardin was trying to bring attention to something like "Oh, this guy got accused of stalking one time" or "Russ once got arrested for soliciting in Utah," but since his books are LITERALLY how to be a frivolous litigant and how to pimp out your 18 year old daughter, it seems pretty fucking unlikely. Not to mention that both are extremely relevant to Hardin's filings - debunking Russ' "me not know nothing about how courts work" and "THIS IS MY ADDRESS EVERYONE IS WRONG RAWWRR" retardations.

I think truly the WORST case scenario for the filing is that the judge/clerk just kind of glosses over the titles of the books or just pretends to be neutral in reference to them. Alternatively, I honestly think the best case scenario is that the judge/clerk gets a sensible chuckle and makes a mental note of them. Like I said, it's IPB, not a true direct action.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

If we start seeing Hardin T-shirts with some dumb-ass logo on them, I'll begin to worry.

No offense to Mr. Hardin, but I don't think his face is very much a shirt material. He's not ugly by any means, but he does have that baby fat which doesn't really work for males.

How many Nevada cases does he have? Hey Matt, if we've missed something, shoot us a DM mmkay?

I believe he might be referring to Russell's lawsuits against 2 Kiwi Farms users, and another anonymous woman, that I posted a few weeks back.

I still think my general point still stands. Greer having to fulfill the obligations of running a brothel and not being able to make legal filings at the same time would not sit well even if Hardin would have to be the one to point that out.

Obligations of trying to start a brothel, more like it.

The SCOTUS would just ignore it and make a decision a few weeks later.

I feel like if SCOTUS actually wants to properly consider it (not just summarily reverse it), they'd probably just order him to reply.

There's an order from the prior court saying that the clerk should. I'd expect that unless it's supplanted somehow, it should remain in effect.

But that was effectively a very specific deal he had made with Utah clerk under very specific local rules which I'm not aware exist here. I think he just might have to email the clerk to make sure it is all still good. I wouldn't assume if I was him.

 

[Pagan Min]

But that was effectively a very specific deal he had made with Utah clerk under very specific local rules which I'm not aware exist here. I think he just might have to email the clerk to make sure it is all still good. I wouldn't assume if I was him.

Which all but guarantees that Greer will make that assumption... Although I'm still pulling for him to keep sending his pleadings to the Utah court, acting as if the move to Florida's court system was all a bad dream...

 

[RodgerDodger]

"Since that document was filed, Defendants became aware of even more pro se cases filed by Mr. Greer in the local courts of Nevada"

How many Nevada cases does he have? Hey Matt, if we've missed something, shoot us a DM mmkay?

Edit: or just get it in the record like the game show lawyers did, that's also cool

There's the hooker/stripper one that we dont know much about.

Response due April 3rd. He's probably going to wait until the last minute, then encounter a technical issue or unfamiliar process that means it takes longer to submit a response then he thought.

Russ's style is to bang out an incoherrent reply in a blind fury immediately. Submit it. Than attempt to amend the filing repeatedly up to and after the deadline.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Florida:



Utah:

 

[Anti Snigger]

Please tell me this will be recorded

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Please tell me this will be recorded

I don't think it will.

 

[TyrasGuard]

Any good alien shriek translators around?

 

[Yandex Captcha Solver]

Greer is truly the gift that keeps on giving