The American Child Torture Industry: Cons and Cults Disguised as Schools - Because Discord and Roblox aren't bad enough.

I would assume it is because they are sick sadists who get off on harming children. There is absolutely no reason to give children Haldol to punish them. It causes permanent neurological damage as its major effect. There is no reason to give anyone this shit unless they'd otherwise be chopping up people with axes.

Anyone who would give a child a drug that causes permanent neurological damage, involuntary twitching, sticking their tongue out, making incredibly disturbing facial expressions, such that anyone looking at them would think they were insane (even if they were not any longer) should be put against a wall and shot. Not in Minecraft. In reality.

These people are absolute garbage.

This is one of the least disturbing tardive dyskinesia videos.

Wasn't the chemo mom the one who actually did?

Thank you for coming out to say this. I'd prefer scaphism, personally.

Honestly, it's about control, with sadism as a close second. The 90s were pretty bad with this - WWASPS was using drugs, busting out straight jackets, four points to bunks with spit masks, all that shit - but it hasn't stopped, it's just gone down. I've heard of four points to bunks in the oughts.

"Behavioral health" programs (psych wards) are still using antipsychotics as much as they like because we dehumanize people put into psych wards.

In both cases, staff dehumanize people and treat them like animals that need to be controlled with no regard for the human being that just wants to go home.
 
The OP reads like skitsobabble but as soon as I saw mormons were involved I was on board.
It reads like schizobabble because your mind automatically rejects that shit like this happens, has happened for decades, and absolutely fucking nobody is doing anything about it. It's still going on. Kids being sent to sick torture camps allegedly based on "religion." You initially can't believe that this is actually reality.
 
It reads like schizobabble because your mind automatically rejects that shit like this happens, has happened for decades, and absolutely fucking nobody is doing anything about it. It's still going on. Kids being sent to sick torture camps allegedly based on "religion." You initially can't believe that this is actually reality.

Got any constructive criticism or is this literally just Tort can't read and check the links? lol

EDIT: I should have been more clear that this is NOT explicitly religious. There are many religious (it's culty as fuck) programs, yes, but the roots are secular and indeed most programs are secular. The Mormon angle is because it is a grift of politically connected corrupt Mormons in a good ole boy network that seems to center around Southern Utah.

The OP reads like skitsobabble but as soon as I saw mormons were involved I was on board.

OK, I'll bite.

How do I provide a wheelchair ramp for people like you to get this? Do I just tl;dr it?
 
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Got any constructive criticism or is this literally just Tort can't read and check the links? lol



OK, I'll bite.

How do I provide a wheelchair ramp for people like you to get this? Do I just tl;dr it?
The OP is fine, it's just that regardless of writing / organizational quality, it's fairly difficult for the average person to grasp that a) this is actually happen and it is this bad, and b) that they haven't heard about this before now given how outrageous the topic is. There's always going to be people who just skim a thread to get the general idea and leave their cursory thoughts on the topic without much thought (this is an Internet forum, after all), but that isn't something that needs to be addressed or followed up on. Your time is better spent researching and writing good, informative posts for the people who regularly follow the thread (like you've been doing).

Strive to inform.
 
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Got any constructive criticism or is this literally just Tort can't read and check the links? lol
I wasn't criticizing, just saying if you didn't already know this was going on (I had read one of the worst stories quoted here years ago), and first encountered it, you'd think it was nuts because surely if this was happening, someone would have done something to shut it down, if you had any remaining faith in humanity. But it is, and they aren't.
 
I wasn't criticizing, just saying if you didn't already know this was going on (I had read one of the worst stories quoted here years ago), and first encountered it, you'd think it was nuts because surely if this was happening, someone would have done something to shut it down, if you had any remaining faith in humanity. But it is, and they aren't.

Oh, thanks. Mind if I ask which one it was that you read?
 
What I don't understand is why most of these parents don't try to take their kids by force. I understand the middle aged single mom going through chemo not having that ability, but your average pot bellied dad? I can't imagine any father seeing his daughter reduced to a half mangled whimpering mess doing anything other than beating the absolute dog shit out of the nearest staff member.
I don't wanna sound like an Internet tough guy or anything, I know not everyone is a young adult male, but if I saw my sister in that condition, I wouldn't leave unless I had her by the hand or I was in handcuffs. I get that they have goons, but at this point you have to at least TRY to save your child.
Some parents may not believe what their kid tells them. Some parents might think the kid deserved it or that it wasn't that bad. There's people who have heard the horror stories and still end up sending their kids there.
 
I had heard about this before, usually under some context of religion. The disconnect of Christianity and the brutality of these schools were always suspect—either someone was using religion as a cover or the whole thing was overstated. (Looks like the former).

The more recent time was something back when I listened to the Dick Show (so 2019-ish), a guest on the show who was almost sent there.

Basically, the guy's grandmother had gotten suckered into it through the religious/anti-drug angle, and they sent out the "escorts" (kidnappers) to take care of the problem. The usual "snatch and grab" in the middle of the night failed because he had heard people in the middle of the night and basically opened fire on them, killing one and severely injuring the other. I think the charges were dropped on self-defense and the whole story seemed a bit suspect, but on the other hand, the WWASPs didn't want the bad publicity.
 
The one where the girl was starved into a skeletal state with maggots in injuries on her and basically they opened the gate to chuck her and her possessions out and immediately slammed the gate closed in her mom's face.

Now we know Midwest Academy had girls in isolation "left to die" on the eve of the raid because Ben got caught trafficking girls and taking them to buy lingerie, and that Tranquility Bay, the gate closer here, literally gang raped girls to slut shame them in seminars. Still working on the facilitator's full name, but everyone's repressed it.

A catchall TTI group on Facebook has yielded some accounts of druggings, with some bothering to include benadryl to counter the anticholingeric effects of the anti psychotics!

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For those on slow TOR, there are accounts of being restrained even without any fighting or violence or loss of control until they were shot up with thorazine & benadryl, someone who was put in a program at ten years of age who was humiliated by having his pants pulled down for said shots; 'standard' accounts of being restrained 3-4x a week, shoulders twisted until nearly popping, locked in QRs (I'm assuming four point restraints), and young women being hit on by male staff after leaving.

I had heard about this before, usually under some context of religion. The disconnect of Christianity and the brutality of these schools were always suspect—either someone was using religion as a cover or the whole thing was overstated. (Looks like the former).

You may have heard of Magdalene Laundries(Archive), aka Magdalene Asylums(Archive).

Even with good intentions, bad things happen as a natural result of total, inescapable control and dehumanization.
There's also the wide swath of crackpot religious schools over the USA that are being outed for abuse, most recently Agape(Archive).

Religion is a cover, and perhaps a source of the good intentions paving a way to hell. To be honest with myself, even Mormonism probably means well in the hearts of the average Mormon, even if corrupt, powerful men and opportunistic, shitty women prey on children. Nevertheless, it's widespread, and if a fucking shitposter on Kiwi Farms is effortposting a PhD Thesis on this shit, it's clearly big enough those stupid faggots should have found out a long time ago and stopped it, but did not.

I'm glossing over Catholic abuse, because it's already been done to death and people who care to know, know.

As far as my own theology, I've flirted with nihilism, but some part of me comes back to try again. It's hard to not believe in some kind of god when the devil's right fucking here in my face, you know?

Basically, the guy's grandmother had gotten suckered into it through the religious/anti-drug angle, and they sent out the "escorts" (kidnappers) to take care of the problem. The usual "snatch and grab" in the middle of the night failed because he had heard people in the middle of the night and basically opened fire on them, killing one and severely injuring the other. I think the charges were dropped on self-defense and the whole story seemed a bit suspect, but on the other hand, the WWASPs didn't want the bad publicity.

OK my edit never took, let's try again. WWASPS was gone as of 2019. Escorts in general want easy money form kids who won't be a liability. Nobody wants to deal with any real personal or legal risk.

I'm certainly happy one of these escorts ate shit and died, but it's a very rare event. More often the kid dies after a few months of hell. I'll take what I can get.

It's really sickening that you can con people into this, but, here we are. All we can do is show it.

Something pretty resonant just hit from the Ivy Ridge group:
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I am a survivor from the Academy of Ivy Ridge.. I have something to say and I know this is going to anger the nay Sayers... Let me start by asking a few simple questions.. Have you ever been to an Airport? How about watched TV, more specifically the news or a political show? Listen to talk radio that covers politics? Local News? I would assume everyone at one point or time has done one of these things if not all of them in their life.. If that is the case, the you all at some point have heard the saying "See Something, Say Something " Now everyone who was staff at the Academy at Ivy Ridge saw something.. the aftermath of a beating, the aftermath of a restraint, someone being dragged down a hall, someone being actively restrained, called for a restraint, enforced the impossible rules to follow , gave information to admins or other staff to actively manipulate parents, saw or heard about the psychological brainwashing seminars, kids not showering, the attempts at suicide, the bruises, the lumps, the black eyes, the cuts and scrapes, the blood on the walls, the blood in the halls, the cries throughout the night.. Everyone who worked there knew about something, saw something, and did nothing...
I've heard the argument " well they need a job" "They needed to provide for their families" Same thing can be said for those who are apart of the cartels, the Italian mafia, I know I know "but those guys were criminals" " Those are criminal organizations who commit murder" And you would be right... Child abuse is also a crime, negligence is also a crime, mental abuse is also abuse and that's a crime, sexual abuse is a crime, sexual assault is a crime.. SO if all those things are happening, what's that make the staff?
"Well then how do you expect them to provide for their families?"
Oh, I don't know, BY NOT ABUSING CHILDREN AND TAKING PART IN CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST CHILDREN. By quitting and GOING TO THE POLICE. GOING TO WHOEVER WILL LISTEN AND HELP THOSE FUCKING CHILDREN! HELP US!! We were beaten, starved, forced to eat our own vomit, watched while we showered, not allowed to talk, had letters censored, had communications watched and listened too, molested, raped, and forced to feel SUB HUMAN EVERY CHANCE THEY GOT.... But hey, their families come before us right? We weren't important enough right? Here's what I find even more disturbing. Those same staff yea they have families, not only that they have kids, and they STILL , beat us, raped us, manipulated us, molested us, starved us, and scared us for life.... But like people have said, it was just a job right? That's the rational thought right?
And people wonder why it took us 20 FUCKING YEARS TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK UP!!!
 
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Bob Lichfield just shat out a secured electronic mail rebuttal turd because he's in fucking hiding or overseas, and too stupid to hire PR or a lawyer. It's a fucking doozie.

Source(Archive)
I usually don’t respond to former students’ comments as these students usually suffer from a history of severe problems and often mental illness. But with such vicious attacks, I must respond.

First, there may be some very isolated staff/student incidents that were wrong. But I have always felt, as every operator would agree with me, that any staff involved in the abuse or mistreatment of students should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. For no operator that I know (and I know dozens) would ever support, teach, encourage or condone such abuse or mistreatment. In fact, the direct opposite.

While I have not owned, operated or worked as a staff at a program for 30 years, if there was systemic or widespread abuse at the programs there would have been concerns from the many monitors and systems in place to safeguard it.

For example: all programs had what is known as “mandatory reporters,” people under legal responsibility to report any suspected abuse or mistreatment. These “mandatory reporters” were on campus everyday, including teachers, therapists and nurses. To think all these adults hid abuse and mistreatment or were part of it and did not report it is beyond rationale.


Further, students while enrolled went to see independent doctors, psychiatrists or psychologists. To think that all of these outside professionals again hid or supported any abuse or mistreatment is not rational.

Additionally, the programs were often closely overseen by competent licensing people who actively investigated things.

Most important, the programs had parents between family visits and seminars on the facility almost every day and had unmonitored talks with their child. Parents were always especially interested in sharing any concerns.

Lastly, every student when on an off-grounds visit, home visit or when they left the program for good, they simply could have called child protective or law enforcement and made a complaint. Where are then such complaints?

Complaints to law enforcement of course would have needed specifics that could be verified. Not the “it didn’t happen to me but I heard it happened to others” that is so prevalent in the complaints made in media and online.

So instead of credible evidence from credible persons: nurses, teachers, therapist or law enforcement, Katherine Kubler gives viewers what she openly admits as a revenge project.

I'm actually speechless for once. Here's a screenshot of the PDF:

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It's a first-gen antipsychotic. It's a fucking sledgehammer of a drug with memory-impairment, lethargy and reduced motor function being really, really common side effects. Essentially a zombie drug.
Even the atypical antipsychotics do this. Benzos can also cause these problems if they're being used long term. Trazodone does it, too. Trazodone is an old antidepressant mostly used as a sleeping pill.
 
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This is a message to Chelsea Filer:
No one needs to screenshot this for her. She's already here.
First, Chelsea, we both know what hand you and your friends have played in the drama of the last 72 hours across multiple groups. You and I have beef. That's not news. That'll be handled. This movement and community has amazing momentum in the last few weeks, and people are doing amazing things. It's bigger than you and I. Neither of us are queens of the movement or in charge of it. If you had gone to Casa and got people's shit, I'd be happy about it. In fact, you and I talked about it MANY times before and after we BOTH went to Academy at Ivy Ridge. Because every survivor deserves their stuff back or at least has the choice to have it back. I went down there for myself, my friends, and the friends I lost. I'm a Casa By The Sea survivor too. As much as you ignore that fact or get your friends to kick me out of my own program's group (West Maui DMed me to let me know that YOU were the reason she was removing me from that Casa group).
Second, bringing up the lawsuit against me is... umm... not a good strategy for you. Especially since you help manufacture that and were hoping to get insurance money from it. You testified to that in your deposition about wanting to get paid and that's in the public record. I'll point anyone who has questions about the lawsuit to the public record including your testimony. Including the most recent filing last week in which BCS stated they had no direct evidence about 3-4 times.
Third, It's been years and people are tired of the Chelsea Filer vs Katie Mac Round 1214235235. Get some therapy. Hug your kids. Get some lovin' from whoever you get loving from. Tell Vanessa to teach you how to haven yourself. I don't care. But I honestly haven't spent as much time thinking about you as you clearly have about me in the last couple years. Not every bad terrible thing in your life is my fault. The BCS lawsuit was not my singular fault either. It isn't my fault that Bill, James, and other people won't talk to you anymore. Neither is every person who dislikes you. Sometimes people are just turned off by the drama or they just don't like you. It's not serving you well and it's not serving this community well.
The community as a whole is back to a place where things are moving in a good direction and with good momentum. And yes, I'm part of this community too. I do activism things too. A lot of other people actually do more than me and I'm thankful for that. I'm thankful for the people doing their individual projects, their own documentaries, their own missions, and people who make orgs. That's awesome. This community is way more de-centralized and powerful than it was in 2020 or 2021. You can't control everyone else or their activism. Go do your own projects. Do your legislation. Do you.
For the rest of you reading this: Sorry to pollute this space with this. It's been an emotional week. I haven't even begun to process going back to Casa or finding my dead friend's papers because of the drama/jealousy/pettiness. So I apologize. I don't care if you're friends with Chelsea and me. I'm not here to tell you to that you need to pick sides to be friends with me. Or you need to be on one side or the other. I'm not about that.

I'm just here to give dear farmers the truth. CPTSD vs CPTSD = drama. Shit sucks. If I see Chelsea's response I'll post it.
 
In The Sopranos, Vito Jr. gets sent to one of these places, right down to the snatch-and-grab. How well known were these practices in the early 2000s?

WWASPS kids were putting shit up on geocities in the 90s.

On a related note, I've read Joe vs. Elan, are there any other dramatizations?

Cruel Instruction is so bad it's probably worth a rifftrax, Holes is a thing, Hell Camp: Teen Nightmare is a thing but I haven't seen that. The problem with most dramatizations or portrayals is while you can see people did their research, the execution is "sugar with a little coffee in it" or so watered down it's basically homeopathy.

I watched Cruel Instruction and felt like they "got it", on one level, but were forced to make it into something digestible and palatable for idiots with weak constitutions. It's a Lifetime movie. We know who watches Lifetime. It touches on things, but then it handles the gruesomeness of it all with the depth and horror of a kid chewing with their mouth open to make you gag during lunch in 3rd grade. Doing this right should be visceral and painful. You should feel sick. This missed that mark. They say "dial nine", but there's absolutely none of the brutality of the program that term came from.

Maybe I'm too bitter to be ruffled by what ruffles normal people? Meh. I think it's like a highschool production, personally.

A few things that really should have been scary were not handled right. Firstly, the "booty juice" scene was a flop to me. Miss Connie(Camryn Manheim, looks like Cathy Bates) pulling down Kayla Adams's(Kelcey Mawema) pants and the framing of her ass cheek wasn't a horror at all, it was ridiculous, and it did not have the violence or suddenness or resistance that goes with the real deal. She was pushed into a wall, not on the ground, and it was not nearly as violent as it should have been. Mawema did the best she could with the direction and the rest of the film being what it was, that's not her fault, but ugh. She also woke up in creepy colored light OP with very loose medical restraints.

The biggest sin is they had a clueless parent as a MISS SCHEFF when Sue Scheff is really a grifting cunt. Come the fuck on, Lifetime.

Secondly, when Kayla tried to hang herself (SPOILERS!??!) it was obviously a prop, and, after being cut down unceremoniously from unconsciousness, instead of going to a hospital as you would really have to if you hung that long, she was just punished with kid gloves, not the "we will make you wish you were dead now" beating that comes from suicide attempts. She was instead made to sit in the hall in a chair and stare at a wall for a little while then put in a relatively large store room with magenta lights instead of the claustrophobic starkness of every other isolation room in every other fucking program. Why the director decided to throw in the creepy colored lights is beyond me, but fucking with angles and lights in a sloppy way distracts you from the subject matter and makes you instead look at how amateur the production is.

Thirdly, they had a kid leave a bathroom, crying, with a male staffer immediately leave afterward. This was an implication of sexual abuse, but it was handled really sloppily, in a "blink and you'll miss it" kind of way, and Miss Connie told the staffer little more than "ugh stop being so sloppy with raping the kids here already. Anyway go deal with the trouble maker, Kayla."

They made an attempt to do the attack therapy shit, but it didn't feel alive or real at all. You can tell the cinematographer was like "I want to do stuff with lights and shadows!" at random times. You of course had the shadow of a crucifix on a wall in some scenes but it was honestly bullshit, since the program this was based on was entirely secular. I think it was just put in to pander, same with the teenage hand holding romance subplot that just felt retarded and unlike the desperate attempt to find comfort and solace in hell that would be the reality, but again, this is for Lifetime movie wine moms I guess.

Finally, the freedom the kids had to mingle was really jarring. That lesbian hand holding kissy uwu subplot was ended by simply separating the two girls. In reality, there would be very public humiliation that they would be subjected to, and for that matter, extreme violence and a long time in isolation.

Meh.
 
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OK my edit never took, let's try again. WWASPS was gone as of 2019. Escorts in general want easy money form kids who won't be a liability. Nobody wants to deal with any real personal or legal risk.

I'm certainly happy one of these escorts ate shit and died, but it's a very rare event. More often the kid dies after a few months of hell. I'll take what I can get.

Keep in mind that I heard the story in 2019, was relating something that happened in the past, and may have been 100% bullshit.
 
A survivor asks for help after being approached by staffer who raped her in a program hitting her up on social media:

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Hay so I need some advice/support. I have been out of the provo Canyon school program for 5.5 years now. I aged out at 18 and was there for about 8 months. During my time there, there was a staff member that I was "close" with... if you catch my drift, I really don't wanna say it. Anyways I had trusted this person simply because he had assured me that if I did what he asked of me that he would help me escape. He had found me on my second day there and I was at the time detoxing, at first he helped me get ahold of stuff to help the detoxing symptoms and then after a few weeks he told me that "he could trust me" and that "he could help me if I helped him" we had everything planned out and then at my 3 month mark he turned around and said I was harassing him... the same day he was supposed to drop his keys "on accident" so I could escape. I know it was stupid of me to fall for it but I was young and willing to do anything to escape. Fast forward to the present. He has found me... he messaged me on social media and told me that " he misses me and the special connection we had" then he made a comment about him having a trip where he would be in my town.... I blocked him and I'm freaking out. I'm grown, I shouldn't be scared, but I am. I feel like I'm 17 all over again and I just want to curl in a ball and hide. But I can't, I'm married and I have children and I don't know how to tell my husband when I haven't even told him everything about my stay there. I'm ashamed of what I did and hold deep regret. I fear the ridicule I may get but I just wanted to get out of there and back then in my young mind he seemed trustworthy. I've showered multiple times and I just feel gross in my skin, I don't know how to move past this, I thought I had healed a lot more than I actually have and I'm at a loss. This is the 5th staff member to find me on social media and its scaring me, I thought I left them behind in my past. But here they are popping up again and bringing me anxiety. Why do I still fear them like im a child? Sorry for ranting a bit I just don't know how to approach this situation and what to do about it.

If anyone knows what person should do, who to report this to, let me know and I'll pass it on.
 
I don't know if there's any special department in charge of this. She should tell her husband if shes worried about them doing something, at least so he knows what's going on. You can talk to the police or try to get a restraining order, but I don't know how easy that would be in this case.

There's rape victim advocacy groups and hotlines (maybe like RAINN) who might be able to give better advice on what to do.
 
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