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Test drove a Silverado yesterday with the child killer grill. A camera on the front might not be the worst idea (not that it would make any of these fags happy)

 

[quaawaa]

Test drove a Silverado yesterday with the child killer grill. A camera on the front might not be the worst idea (not that it would make any of these fags happy)

It has one:

https://www.chevrolet.com/trucks/silverado/camera-technology

 

[i440BX]

I have a discussion with a someone that was leaning into anti car stance. He said the in Japan is a good example of how they put the expense of making roads on citizens and that only few people can afford it.

Can someone more knowledgeable here tell me if this is true or not. I know they have kei cars and a lot of people use public transport, but I do still think people use the car.

 

[DavidS877]

I have a discussion with a someone that was leaning into anti car stance. He said the in Japan is a good example of how they put the expense of making roads on citizens and that only few people can afford it.

Can someone more knowledgeable here tell me if this is true or not. I know they have kei cars and a lot of people use public transport, but I do still think people use the car.

I have been to Japan and they indeed do have cars. You can street view Tokyo and you'll find cars and hidden parking everywhere. The people I was visiting told me it is indeed expensive. Smaller cars can have a cheaper license plate which can save some money, not just Kei but also small passenger cars. And there also appeared to be a fair number of small rental car lots around neighborhoods.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

I have a discussion with a someone that was leaning into anti car stance. He said the in Japan is a good example of how they put the expense of making roads on citizens and that only few people can afford it.

Can someone more knowledgeable here tell me if this is true or not. I know they have kei cars and a lot of people use public transport, but I do still think people use the car.

Don't know about Japan, but the core of their argument seems to be trying to claim that road infrastructure's expenses are unfairly paid and that everybody has to pay for roads even if they don't use them. This claim is utter horseshit: most highway infrastructure is paid for with fuel taxes and licensing fees, so the money is coming from those that actively use it, and those that don't drive still usually benefit from OTR cargo deliveries even if non-avoidable taxes were used to pay for them. What this guy wants instead is to price people out of driving based on a fantasy idea of Japanese cities that doesn't match the many vehicles moving throughout Tokyo on a given day.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

I have a discussion with a someone that was leaning into anti car stance. He said the in Japan is a good example of how they put the expense of making roads on citizens and that only few people can afford it.

Can someone more knowledgeable here tell me if this is true or not. I know they have kei cars and a lot of people use public transport, but I do still think people use the car.

having done some cursory googling and some streetview work, Japan appears to have both an extensive rail network and an extensive expressway network; you can buy an expressway pass, effectively a network-wide toll, for 2, 3, or more days, which lets you go anywhere in the country, and the daily rate starts at the equivalent of $12/£9.50, decreasing if you buy a pass that covers a longer time period
(presumably the idea is to discourage use of the expressway network for short-distance journeys, which is a major contributor to congestion)

toll motorways are nothing unusual in most of the world (Bongland, Germany, Benelux and Nordic countries being the major exceptions), and by including extensive networks for both road and rail traffic, it appears Japan has wisely decided not to put all their eggs in one basket

so yeah, pretty sure your man was talking bollocks

 

[LaxerBRO]

I know they have kei cars and a lot of people use public transport, but I do still think people use the car.

Japan is the upper quartile in the world for car ownership and about middle within the developed world.

Anyways, Japan is cool and all but the US isn't Japan. Our post WWII recoveries were different. Suburbs were a development of our post war boom and the risk posed by Soviet nuclear weapons.

Sperging out about how different countries are is water under the bridge. The discussion should be on what can work now.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Japan is roughly the size of California, with a population of 123 million (1/3 to 1/2 the US).

It's much denser, but even so once you're outside of the cities (40 million people live in the Tokyo metropolitan area, or 1/3 of japan in the size of Delaware) it's all cars and roads. They do have a nice rail backbone outside the cities but anyone who has rural relatives will have experience with cars.

 

[maxell4hd]

I have a discussion with a someone that was leaning into anti car stance. He said the in Japan is a good example of how they put the expense of making roads on citizens and that only few people can afford it.

Can someone more knowledgeable here tell me if this is true or not. I know they have kei cars and a lot of people use public transport, but I do still think people use the car.

Cars in Japan, like in every developed country, have majority share of passenger-km.

Even with the taxes on fuel, purchase and registration like in Japan and Europe, cars still carry far more people than any other mode.

https://www.nikkoken.or.jp/pdf/publication/2015e/2015e2.pdf

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

Japan is roughly the size of California, with a population of 123 million (1/3 to 1/2 the US).

It's much denser, but even so once you're outside of the cities (40 million people live in the Tokyo metropolitan area, or 1/3 of japan in the size of Delaware) it's all cars and roads. They do have a nice rail backbone outside the cities but anyone who has rural relatives will have experience with cars.

and the cities themselves have national expressways running right into the middle of them, mostly on top of the existing major roads, with the only interchanges being at the most major junctions; if you're going to build urban motorways, that's a very good way to do it, though in less high-rise areas, sinking them into cuttings is a better idea (substantially reduces noise impact, and allows you to build on top of the cutting)

 

[DavidS877]

and the cities themselves have national expressways running right into the middle of them, mostly on top of the existing major roads, with the only interchanges being at the most major junctions; if you're going to build urban motorways, that's a very good way to do it, though in less high-rise areas, sinking them into cuttings is a better idea (substantially reduces noise impact, and allows you to build on top of the cutting)

Or just run the highway through the building.


Osaka

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Or just run the highway through the building.

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The most carbrained building ever is in their Meccas.

 

[gagabobo1997]

Or just run the highway through the building.

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Why? Did the road already exist and they built the building around it? Or did they cut a hole through the building for the highway? Or did they build both at the same time? It looks cool but also logistically seems mighty retarded

 

[quaawaa]

Why? Did the road already exist and they built the building around it? Or did they cut a hole through the building for the highway? Or did they build both at the same time? It looks cool but also logistically seems mighty retarded

It was an empty lot (or dilapidated building) before the highway was built. The government planned to build a highway on the land but the landowner wanted to build an office tower, and the compromise was to build the office tower on top of the highway.

A wood and charcoal business held the property rights for the plot of land since the early Meiji period, but the gradual move to other sources of fuel resulted in the deterioration of those company buildings. In 1983, redevelopment of the area was approved, but building permits were refused because the highway was already being planned. The property rights' holders refused to give up, and negotiated with the Hanshin Expressway corporation for approximately five years to reach the current solution.

Although normally highway corporations purchase the land they build a highway on or over, it is not guaranteed to succeed and therefore issues like this can arise. For that reason, the highway laws, city planning laws, city redevelopment laws and building codes were partly revised in 1989 to allow the unified development of highways and buildings in the same space. This system was originally designed to facilitate the construction of the second ring road in the vicinity of Toranomon, Minato, Tokyo, but in the end was not applied there. Instead, the system was put into effect in the construction of the Gate Tower Building, becoming Japan's first building to have a highway pass through it. Normally, highways are still built underground in these cases, and passing through a building is an extremely rare occurrence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_Tower_Building

 

[DavidS877]

Why? Did the road already exist and they built the building around it? Or did they cut a hole through the building for the highway? Or did they build both at the same time? It looks cool but also logistically seems mighty retarded

Looks like politics and weird ownership mostly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_Tower_Building

 

[gagabobo1997]

It was an empty lot (or dilapidated building) before the highway was built. The government planned to build a highway on the land but the landowner wanted to build an office tower, and the compromise was to build the office tower on top of the highway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_Tower_Building

Looks like politics and weird ownership mostly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_Tower_Building

Interesting. If it were America the govt would just eminent domain it all away and build the highway. Based nip engineering solving problems i guess.

 

[quaawaa]

They're very offended by this sticker:




More like "pro-fetus, pro-human, anti-commie":
















Another reason why suburbs are better than dense cities:

Source (Archive)

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Interesting. If it were America the govt would just eminent domain it all away and build the highway. Based nip engineering solving problems i guess.

If the building was there first you couldn't do anything with it unless you wanted to completely rebuild it anyway because of the support structures needed, and it's pretty special circumstances to even add new support columns in an existing, functional building.

You can probably do more with freeways though and oddities exist like this supermarket hanging over the side of a freeway.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Interesting. If it were America the govt would just eminent domain it all away and build the highway. Based nip engineering solving problems i guess.

It's come close in America but opposition from local businesses nixed it. Normally they just end up leasing out the space underneath the highway. Road Guy Rob talks about it in a video.

6:45 for the segment about building on top of the freeway.

 

[SocialDislocationAuto]

You can probably do more with freeways though and oddities exist like this supermarket hanging over the side of a freeway.

See also the McDonald's over the Will Rogers toll road.