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When Ellie Anderson, an assistant professor of philosophy at Pomona College in Claremont, Calif., had coffee with female friends, she noticed the conversation often involved dissecting the meaning of comments or texts from their male romantic partners.

Together, they’d talk through an argument with a boyfriend, or try to interpret a vague text message from the night before. They’d game out the next step, deciding when, if at all, to bring up the issue, and then carefully prepare what they’d say or draft a text message in response.

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Anderson says many of the women she knows “spend what seems to be an inordinate amount of time interpreting the pretty opaque cues of men they’re dating.”

Anderson felt she was observing a form of “emotional labor,” a term first defined by sociologist Arlie Hochschild to describe how certain workers - typically women - have to suppress emotions, such as flight attendants who deal with unruly passengers.

But what to call the mental work women were doing in deciphering cryptic conversations and texts? In a paper published last year, Anderson penned a new term: “hermeneutic labor.”

Hermeneutics refers to the interpretation of language. Hermeneutic labor, Anderson says, encompasses three phases of emotional work:
Interpreting the feelings of others.

Determining when and whether to bring difficult, emotional conversations up.

Interpreting your own feelings.

Anderson argues that hermeneutic labor is largely performed by women who are forced to interpret the emotions and motives of male partners who lack the emotional vocabulary to explain themselves.

The men, Anderson says, “are often really taken aback and are like, ‘Oh, why are you causing a problem?’”

She argues this dynamic can have a particularly negative effect on women in heterosexual couples because their work to maintain the relationship is often met with disbelief, accusations of overreacting or fixating on problems their partner claims don’t exist. This, Anderson says, has the effect of punishing women for attempting to maintain their relationships.

It starts in childhood​


Amy Warren, a licensed mental health counselor in Sarasota, Fla. has seen the pattern Anderson describes again and again over the course of her 29 year career. More often than not, it’s the woman in a heterosexual relationship who pushes the couple to seek counseling.

“Oftentimes, the man’s blindsided,” Warren says. “Men are unhappy in the relationship because a woman’s unhappy, and the woman’s unhappy because a man’s emotionally disconnected.”
But rather than blaming men for their emotional disconnection, Warren faults how men are raised.

“So many men think of their role in a relationship as the provider, the father, sometimes the protector,” Warren says. “That’s because they’ve been groomed to believe that is their role. Not really because they chose it.”

Warren, who is also a psychotherapist, says this lack of emotional expressivity arises from what she calls “little T traumas” in early childhood.

“When you tell a child, ‘Don’t cry; don’t be a baby; grow up; be a big boy,’ that’s definitely a little T trauma, because it teaches them to shut down their emotions,” Warren says.

The toll of masculine norms​


Psychology professor Ronald Levant says he frequently starts lectures by asking the audience if they know a man who has trouble verbally expressing his emotions. The result has almost always been the same.

“Almost everybody raises their hand,” Levant says.

Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron and a former president of the American Psychological Association, has been studying emotionally inexpressive men for more than four decades.

While it’s true that many women and nonbinary individuals also have trouble expressing emotions, the stereotype of the emotionally inexpressive man persists. The reason, experts say, is because so-called masculine norms still dominate many cultures.

Levant’s research focuses on these masculine norms, which include dominance, toughness, self-reliance, a strong interest in sex, disdain for all things feminine, gay or bisexual, and restricting the expression of emotions. The result of these norms, Levant and other experts say, is that boys often are socialized to suppress the expression of vulnerable and caring emotions.

This inability to identify emotions with words also has a name - “normative male alexithymia.” The condition, Levant stresses, is “normative” not because it is common enough to be considered normal, but because it arises out of social norms associated with traditional masculinity.

A 2012 study co-authored by Levant found the condition was associated with higher rates of fear of intimacy and lower rates of relationship satisfaction and communication quality.

“If a boy is essentially punished for showing affection or crying,” Levant says, “he’s going to kind of not allow this emotion to come out.”

How to improve communication​


When one partner struggles to put their emotions into words, it requires both parties to improve how they communicate. Here’s some advice.

Take turns being upset. Amir Levine, a psychiatrist and neuroscientist at Columbia University, has a rule for couples that come to his practice: Only one person is allowed to be upset at a time.

Levine, who also co-wrote the popular book “Attached: The New Science of Adult Attachment and How It Can Help You Find - and Keep - Love,” says that in relationships, one person’s mood - whether it’s miserable or happy - affects the mood of the partner. The person who is upset first should be the one who is allowed to be upset.

“You have to put your upset aside and find a way to make them not upset because that’s your job,” Levine says. “That’s kind of what relationships are all about.”

Reflect back the words. Reflecting back what your partner says has the effect of showing them you’re listening to them, and invites the opportunity to clarify what’s upsetting them.

Warren says it’s important “to say back to the person what you think you heard them say, so the speaker can then clarify. You get the whole picture, and you can respond accordingly rather than getting reactive and defensive.”

Let your partner know what you want. Warren says it’s imperative for intimate partners to let each other know what they want in their relationships, and “stand firm” that you won’t tolerate certain behaviors.

Warren notes that many people wrongly believe that their partners should intuitively know their needs without being told.

“It’s up to us to let them know in a gentle, loving way what we want,” Warren says.
 
I was dating a girl for about 6 months last year who broke up with me because when she had asked me about if i was going to get bored with her I simply replied "what of course not, you are cute, you play video games and we watch tv together that is all i ask for in a girl" and appatently that was being dismissive of her concens
Big mistake. If you won't get bored of her she knows she doesn't have to put in effort which means you aren't more valuable than her and are therefore not worth it.

Heterosexual couples require a power imbalance.
 
Big mistake. If you won't get bored of her she knows she doesn't have to put in effort which means you aren't more valuable than her and are therefore not worth it.

Heterosexual couples require a power imbalance.
A chick that thinks that way is the sort of chick that would bore me.
 
I'm man, I'm in touch with my emotions, that's precisely why I keep them to myself. They aren't interesting or relevant, sometimes humorous though that is about the only time I'd highlight my emotional state in a conversation.

If women are so in touch with their emotions, why do they feel the need to dump them on everyone else or crowdsource solutions? Seems like the exact opposite of emotional maturity they seem to claim.
 
Dunno why so many women have a problem "deciphering" what a man thinks, it's really simple:

I'm hungry = I'm hungry

I love you = I love you

You look nice = You look nice

I think people should follow the law = I think people should follow the law and those who break it should be flogged in the public square.

See ladies, it's not difficult.

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But rather than blaming men for their emotional disconnection, Warren faults how men are raised.
Yet that fault will never be pointed at single moms.

“So many men think of their role in a relationship as the provider, the father, sometimes the protector,” Warren says. “That’s because they’ve been groomed to believe that is their role. Not really because they chose it.”
Because it is. Why do I get the feeling this woman has no idea what a healthy relationship looks like?
 
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Anderson felt she was observing a form of “emotional labor,” a term first defined by sociologist Arlie Hochschild to describe how certain workers - typically women - have to suppress emotions, such as flight attendants who deal with unruly passengers.

But what to call the mental work women were doing in deciphering cryptic conversations and texts? In a paper published last year, Anderson penned a new term: “hermeneutic labor.”
These people are fucking warped beings that have lost all sense of humanity. Actual loveless evil.


Warren, who is also a psychotherapist, says this lack of emotional expressivity arises from what she calls “little T traumas” in early childhood.

“When you tell a child, ‘Don’t cry; don’t be a baby; grow up; be a big boy,’ that’s definitely a little T trauma, because it teaches them to shut down their emotions,” Warren says.
This fucking narrative keeps going on and on and getting faker each fucking year. Kids as a whole get told not to constantly cry, not just guys. there is a hit song literally titled "Big girls don't cry" from the fucking 1960s that's been used as one of those songs studios jam into a bunch of movies forever now. Telling kids to not cry is not some quirky ass "Little T trauma that shuts down emotions" it's a fucking thing you tell kids to calm down when they're bawling their eyes out over some shit. You want to talk about traumas? Yeah try being told your whole life how you're somehow unknowable and somehow broken because "testosterone" and "white" by every fucking major media corporation, especially the last 10 years.
 
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But what to call the mental work women were doing in deciphering cryptic conversations and texts? In a paper published last year, Anderson penned a new term: “hermeneutic labor.”
It's called over-thinking. When you do so obsessively, especially when you drag in other people to help you out as happened in this article, it moves into conspiracy theory territory.

A philosophy graduate penning a paper saying differently does not change that.
 
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She argues this dynamic can have a particularly negative effect on women in heterosexual couples because their work to maintain the relationship is often met with disbelief, accusations of overreacting or fixating on problems their partner claims don’t exist. This, Anderson says, has the effect of punishing women for attempting to maintain their relationships.
While "woman has to dig to root of issue because man is emotionally repressed" absolutely is a thing, the author is very obviously ignoring the possibility of "woman who is neurotically overthinking everything fixates on problems that don't exist".
Take turns being upset. Amir Levine, a psychiatrist and neuroscientist at Columbia University, has a rule for couples that come to his practice: Only one person is allowed to be upset at a time.

Levine, who also co-wrote the popular book “Attached: The New Science of Adult Attachment and How It Can Help You Find - and Keep - Love,” says that in relationships, one person’s mood - whether it’s miserable or happy - affects the mood of the partner. The person who is upset first should be the one who is allowed to be upset.

“You have to put your upset aside and find a way to make them not upset because that’s your job,” Levine says. “That’s kind of what relationships are all about.”
If that dynamic becomes entrenched you just get in a cycle where one partner is overthinking and overanalysing everything and then gets upset about a "problem" that she's convinced is real but her boyfriend insists isn't (because it isn't real, but she thinks he's too emotionally repressed to understand it) but then she's the first person to be upset so he has to repress his emotions to calm her down. It's basically a self fulfilling prophecy at that point.
 
“So many men think of their role in a relationship as the provider, the father, sometimes the protector,” Warren says. “That’s because they’ve been groomed to believe that is their role. Not really because they chose it.”

Levant’s research focuses on these masculine norms, which include dominance, toughness, self-reliance, a strong interest in sex, disdain for all things feminine, gay or bisexual, and restricting the expression of emotions. The result of these norms, Levant and other experts say, is that boys often are socialized to suppress the expression of vulnerable and caring emotions.

This inability to identify emotions with words also has a name - “normative male alexithymia.” The condition, Levant stresses, is “normative” not because it is common enough to be considered normal, but because it arises out of social norms associated with traditional masculinity.
These people have never even considered that men and women have different emotional needs. We're psychologically different in part to different hormonal profiles.

Men don't benefit from "having a good cry" or "letting it all out" in the same way as women do.

Some women (and some men) have really glommed onto the blank slate theory, that all differences between all classes of people are entirely social, and thus subject to manipulation. They can't accept that maybe there are some physical, natural causes for these differences.
 
Therapy speak nonsense aside-I imagine it’s true that women get frustrated that men don’t respond to or understand the signals and cues they send out. And indeed men often are not emotionally open.

Problem is it’s not “boys being told not to cry”-men that are overly emotional are viewed with contempt and despised.

I mean-that’s ancient wisdom but have you seen how much women on say TikTok, despise a man that shows any sort of weakness?

Men are taught not to show emotion not to stunt them or groom them for being oppressors in le patriarchy-but because it’s an understood if unstated fact emotionality amongst men is viewed with at best quizzical disdain, at worst utter contempt.

I trust every single one of these women complaining about emotionally disconnected boyfriends or husbands would feel ashamed and utterly disgusted if their man started crying. Or poured his heart out at the drop of a hat.

If a man needs to show or express emotion-he can do so, in the company of understanding men, or alone. It is extremely unwise to do so ever in the company of women.
 
Men are taught not to show emotion not to stunt them or groom them for being oppressors in le patriarchy-but because it’s an understood if unstated fact emotionality amongst men is viewed with at best quizzical disdain, at worst utter contempt.

I trust every single one of these women complaining about emotionally disconnected boyfriends or husbands would feel ashamed and utterly disgusted if their man started crying. Or poured his heart out at the drop of a hat.

One of men's traditional culturally acceptable emotional output and methods of communicating was anger.

While it's certainly a double-edged sword which could do a lot of harm if wielded recklessly, it too has been completely neutered in Current Year.

Now any expression of anger towards a woman is considered abusive/domestic violence/never acceptable no matter how minor or justified.

Much like stoicism, targeted, controlled anger used to be an effective communication tool to establish boundaries, cut through bullshit, get people's attention, send emotional messaging, call people out, teach permanent lessons as you would a child, etc.
 
I have the unfortunate mix of resting bitch face and autism. So when I get comfortable with a girl or am tired I tend to not try to emote as hard. Which in turn makes the girl very worried and think I am upset, when I am the opposite of upset and it takes a lot to convince them I'm fine.

I'm one of those people who are an open book with their feelings if you ask, even if I don't show it physically.
 
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