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When Ellie Anderson, an assistant professor of philosophy at Pomona College in Claremont, Calif., had coffee with female friends, she noticed the conversation often involved dissecting the meaning of comments or texts from their male romantic partners.

Together, they’d talk through an argument with a boyfriend, or try to interpret a vague text message from the night before. They’d game out the next step, deciding when, if at all, to bring up the issue, and then carefully prepare what they’d say or draft a text message in response.

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Anderson says many of the women she knows “spend what seems to be an inordinate amount of time interpreting the pretty opaque cues of men they’re dating.”

Anderson felt she was observing a form of “emotional labor,” a term first defined by sociologist Arlie Hochschild to describe how certain workers - typically women - have to suppress emotions, such as flight attendants who deal with unruly passengers.

But what to call the mental work women were doing in deciphering cryptic conversations and texts? In a paper published last year, Anderson penned a new term: “hermeneutic labor.”

Hermeneutics refers to the interpretation of language. Hermeneutic labor, Anderson says, encompasses three phases of emotional work:
Interpreting the feelings of others.

Determining when and whether to bring difficult, emotional conversations up.

Interpreting your own feelings.

Anderson argues that hermeneutic labor is largely performed by women who are forced to interpret the emotions and motives of male partners who lack the emotional vocabulary to explain themselves.

The men, Anderson says, “are often really taken aback and are like, ‘Oh, why are you causing a problem?’”

She argues this dynamic can have a particularly negative effect on women in heterosexual couples because their work to maintain the relationship is often met with disbelief, accusations of overreacting or fixating on problems their partner claims don’t exist. This, Anderson says, has the effect of punishing women for attempting to maintain their relationships.

It starts in childhood​


Amy Warren, a licensed mental health counselor in Sarasota, Fla. has seen the pattern Anderson describes again and again over the course of her 29 year career. More often than not, it’s the woman in a heterosexual relationship who pushes the couple to seek counseling.

“Oftentimes, the man’s blindsided,” Warren says. “Men are unhappy in the relationship because a woman’s unhappy, and the woman’s unhappy because a man’s emotionally disconnected.”
But rather than blaming men for their emotional disconnection, Warren faults how men are raised.

“So many men think of their role in a relationship as the provider, the father, sometimes the protector,” Warren says. “That’s because they’ve been groomed to believe that is their role. Not really because they chose it.”

Warren, who is also a psychotherapist, says this lack of emotional expressivity arises from what she calls “little T traumas” in early childhood.

“When you tell a child, ‘Don’t cry; don’t be a baby; grow up; be a big boy,’ that’s definitely a little T trauma, because it teaches them to shut down their emotions,” Warren says.

The toll of masculine norms​


Psychology professor Ronald Levant says he frequently starts lectures by asking the audience if they know a man who has trouble verbally expressing his emotions. The result has almost always been the same.

“Almost everybody raises their hand,” Levant says.

Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron and a former president of the American Psychological Association, has been studying emotionally inexpressive men for more than four decades.

While it’s true that many women and nonbinary individuals also have trouble expressing emotions, the stereotype of the emotionally inexpressive man persists. The reason, experts say, is because so-called masculine norms still dominate many cultures.

Levant’s research focuses on these masculine norms, which include dominance, toughness, self-reliance, a strong interest in sex, disdain for all things feminine, gay or bisexual, and restricting the expression of emotions. The result of these norms, Levant and other experts say, is that boys often are socialized to suppress the expression of vulnerable and caring emotions.

This inability to identify emotions with words also has a name - “normative male alexithymia.” The condition, Levant stresses, is “normative” not because it is common enough to be considered normal, but because it arises out of social norms associated with traditional masculinity.

A 2012 study co-authored by Levant found the condition was associated with higher rates of fear of intimacy and lower rates of relationship satisfaction and communication quality.

“If a boy is essentially punished for showing affection or crying,” Levant says, “he’s going to kind of not allow this emotion to come out.”

How to improve communication​


When one partner struggles to put their emotions into words, it requires both parties to improve how they communicate. Here’s some advice.

Take turns being upset. Amir Levine, a psychiatrist and neuroscientist at Columbia University, has a rule for couples that come to his practice: Only one person is allowed to be upset at a time.

Levine, who also co-wrote the popular book “Attached: The New Science of Adult Attachment and How It Can Help You Find - and Keep - Love,” says that in relationships, one person’s mood - whether it’s miserable or happy - affects the mood of the partner. The person who is upset first should be the one who is allowed to be upset.

“You have to put your upset aside and find a way to make them not upset because that’s your job,” Levine says. “That’s kind of what relationships are all about.”

Reflect back the words. Reflecting back what your partner says has the effect of showing them you’re listening to them, and invites the opportunity to clarify what’s upsetting them.

Warren says it’s important “to say back to the person what you think you heard them say, so the speaker can then clarify. You get the whole picture, and you can respond accordingly rather than getting reactive and defensive.”

Let your partner know what you want. Warren says it’s imperative for intimate partners to let each other know what they want in their relationships, and “stand firm” that you won’t tolerate certain behaviors.

Warren notes that many people wrongly believe that their partners should intuitively know their needs without being told.

“It’s up to us to let them know in a gentle, loving way what we want,” Warren says.
 
Men don't benefit from "having a good cry" or "letting it all out" in the same way as women do.
That's bullshit and you know it. The blues and a bunch of other musical genres literally would not exist or have as much cultural impact as they did if men didn't benefit from letting themselves express their own sadness or inner desires, wants, and dreams.
 
That's bullshit and you know it. The blues and a bunch of other musical genres literally would not exist or have as much cultural impact as they did if men didn't benefit from letting themselves express their own sadness or inner desires, wants, and dreams.
No I meant a literal cry.

Men experience sadness, but they express it differently and trying to interpret all male emotional expression through the view of how a woman would express her emotions is retarded and why we perpetually get asinine articles like this.

The literal act of crying is rarely as cathartic for men as it is for women. Part of that is different levels of cortisol.

I agree, art is a outlet for some people. Also having good friends to talk to.
 
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There is something deeper here, with how the article primarily cites text messages and such as the main "origin point" of all of this "trouble." Social media and instant-gratification/instant-connection via cell phones and the like have made people neurotic and socially stunted. When someone says "ok" in a text message, it's not just "ok" anymore. There's a layer of meaning and subtext under and behind it to these people.
 
When Ellie Anderson, an assistant professor of philosophy at Pomona College

That's all I needed to read to know not to read this article.

Also, 99.9% of the time the guy means nothing more than what he is literally saying. If you are taking it for more than face value, you are likely wasting your time. "Had a good time. See you later" means he enjoyed the time you spent together and wants to see you again in the near future.
 
The naked truth is that no one really wants to know anyone. All they want to know is "how are your thoughts and feelings going to affect me."

They're not interested. They're just scared.
This reminds me of a quote I heard somewhere, you should spend less time worrying what people think about you and more time worrying what they think about themselves.
 
There is something deeper here, with how the article primarily cites text messages and such as the main "origin point" of all of this "trouble." Social media and instant-gratification/instant-connection via cell phones and the like have made people neurotic and socially stunted. When someone says "ok" in a text message, it's not just "ok" anymore. There's a layer of meaning and subtext under and behind it to these people.
Women are generally neurotic by default, and social media/attention is their pornography.

End result is the horror show we live in today of the ever growing harpies in a bucket world we live in.
Men just don’t cry openly, because that’s not what they are.
Unless youre crying over the death of a loved one, women are going to be very turned off by their man crying. They can endlessly scream all they want about how they want a man who expresses themselves but the fact is being emotionally vulnerable with them is incredibly unattractive to them.
 
Any man who has been in a long-term relationship with a woman before knows that there is no moment of vulnerability or instance of shields-down that a woman will not use later as ammunition in a fight or as a weapon of control. Even if women don't deliberately keep a mental catalog of all your soft spots, they do so automatically and subconsciously, and you'd best believe she will go through that archive and drag out whatever she needs to hurt you the next time she gets pissy.

It's just not worth it to be honest with her for that reason alone. Sure, weak men are despised and all of that, but even if you're the strong, stoic rock 99.99% of the time, that 0.01% of the time you aren't will come back to haunt you later. Guys learn through practical experience that any benefit they get from 'getting it off their chests' is not worth having it used as ammunition against them in every fight they have with her for the next however long, and so they clam up.
 
Any man who has been in a long-term relationship with a woman before knows that there is no moment of vulnerability or instance of shields-down that a woman will not use later as ammunition in a fight or as a weapon of control. Even if women don't deliberately keep a mental catalog of all your soft spots, they do so automatically and subconsciously, and you'd best believe she will go through that archive and drag out whatever she needs to hurt you the next time she gets pissy.

It's just not worth it to be honest with her for that reason alone. Sure, weak men are despised and all of that, but even if you're the strong, stoic rock 99.99% of the time, that 0.01% of the time you aren't will come back to haunt you later. Guys learn through practical experience that any benefit they get from 'getting it off their chests' is not worth having it used as ammunition against them in every fight they have with her for the next however long, and so they clam up.
The woman who like men to be very vulnerable sadly tend to be the illuminaughti types. Ie the fake sociopathic manipulators who use it as away to control you through love bombing, threats, and insults. These types of women can be ones SO, a relative, a coworker, or a friend. And it’s not always immediately clear that they’re awful.

Even if a woman doesn’t use it to be mean or manipulative, they lose respect for you as a man if you come across as weak or unreliable. It’s just human instinct unfortunately and it’s reality. Even if she consciously believes that you should “be more open emotionally” it’s a big turn off if you open up entirely. More importantly if you come across as too weak your partner is less likely to fuck.

It also creates tension because women tend to overthink things and leap to conclusions. So even if she is able to restrain her instinct to see you in a worse light, and even if she means well, seeing you in an emotional state will make her panic and over analyze which is likely to make things worse. There’s a difference between communicating your concerns with her and coming across as a liability. Woman are programmed to analyze your utility to her survival. Crying in front of her or coming across as weak, unsure, and scared will kick in those evolved instincts. She’ll jump to more conclusions and if ultimately just makes things worse.

Lastly, women hate other women. If men acted like women we’d be even more dysfunctional as a species. So trying to shape men to be more feminine is ultimately a losing move for everyone. It’ll spark more fights and create more dysfunction than the status quo.
 
Actually had a relationship fall apart because I broke down to a former gf a few hours after my Dad passed. Women are cold, calculating Darwinian machines and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
Women aren’t going to consciously think “my BF’s family member died, and he cried-what a weakling!” At least not consciously-but even if they can consciously recognize the appropriateness of such a response-their hindbrain instincts are still telling them “he’s weak, he’s unreliable, he can’t protect me, he can’t handle difficulty”

Some women are better at controlling these subconscious judgements than others-but even the most understanding woman will at some level-view you lesser when you break down, even if it’s entirely justified.
 
It's telling that not one woman in this thread has even tried to refute the statement that women loathe men who become emotionally vulnerable with women. They're nasty whores with terrible personalities, but even women have the modicum of self-awareness to understand that what's being said about them here is true. Their flapping lips are sealed because the truth has silenced their worthless, dishonest utterances. Women are such stupid whores!
 
That's bullshit and you know it. The blues and a bunch of other musical genres literally would not exist or have as much cultural impact as they did if men didn't benefit from letting themselves express their own sadness or inner desires, wants, and dreams.

Men do feel sadness(I’d say they feel it more deeply and profoundly than women) they just either express it by some sort of coping mechanism, or by silence.

Men just don’t cry openly, because that’s not what they are.
I was just about to say that men generally channel energy, even sadness, into something. It can be anything from creating something like music/art to accomplishing a goal, like gettingin shape, traveling, ect.

For guys, openly crying (No matter if it's justified or not) is not just showing weakness, but it's a waste of energy. Our brains know this, so crying and being overwhelmed by emotion generally won't make guys feel better. Doing something to take your mind off of your emotions is typically how guys get over things.
 
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Anderson argues that hermeneutic labor is largely performed by women who are forced to interpret the emotions and motives of male partners who lack the emotional vocabulary to explain themselves.
I say plenty of us, men, have the emotional vocabulary to explain ourselves. We just can't do it outside the Farms since we would declared as threats to women/society.
Unless youre crying over the death of a loved one, women are going to be very turned off by their man crying. They can endlessly scream all they want about how they want a man who expresses themselves but the fact is being emotionally vulnerable with them is incredibly unattractive to them.
Them: "I just want a guy who can be open up emotionally."
Also them: "You are such a loser. No wonder you'll die a virgin."
 
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It's telling that not one woman in this thread has even tried to refute the statement that women loathe men who become emotionally vulnerable with women. They're nasty whores with terrible personalities, but even women have the modicum of self-awareness to understand that what's being said about them here is true. Their flapping lips are sealed because the truth has silenced their worthless, dishonest utterances. Women are such stupid whores!
I say plenty of us, men, have the emotional vocabulary to explain ourselves. We just can't do it outside the Farms since we would declared as threats to women/society.

Them: "I just want a guy who can be open up emotionally."
Also them: "You are such a loser. No wonder you'll die a virgin."
There is how a woman wants to be perceived and what she actually is.
She says what will garner her positive attention but acts in what will garner her negative while all the while being confused as she said the right thing.
it's all to look good in front of other women and weak men where as actual men will see it for what it is at the end of the day: a bunch of nonsense as she is not what she preaches

here, you know it's bullshit because we can easily see or have seen them post along the lines of hating such men to begin with (this is an internet forum where we all communicate under fake names so they can speak their actual mind, granted they still lie out their fucking ass as seen by recent drama)

If you really think about it, shit explains all the modern day dissonance about women. Talking about being strong while acting like they're weak. Saying they're equal to men while demanding even more be given to them. Political correctness says men and women communicate the same way (except in all the ways they're different) but really no: women say what will make them look good while the men will say what they actually believe more often than not. Men of old disregarded what women said for a reason and not because they were le mean evil vagina-haters. Your cranky grandpa was never being mean to grandma. He just knew what whatever she was thinking wasn't productive at all.
 
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