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US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians
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I'm totally fine with different interpretations and indeed enjoy discussing it. But I don't think I lack the context or that I'm wrong when in my statement that he means the line. I don't even think it's a standard interpretation that he doesn't mean it (though I'm not really interested in Appeals To Critics god help us). As you say yourself, he almost repents upon seeing Eden, and the work is explicit in that he could repent and come back if he did (don't ask me for a reference to that - it's years since I've read it). He means his lines because he ultimately lives by them - his pride and ambition don't allow him to serve in Heaven, he chooses Hell.
As to it being a comedy, a little tongue in cheek but having waded through all the long passages of God and Jesus telling each other how great they are, I struggle to imagine Milton as somone who would ever deliberately write humour.
Then again, Dante called his greatest work a "comedy" and I didn't laugh once in that.
Peace - my intent was to back up someone's comments about a certain mentality. It's hard for some people to really believe that there are people who think like that but there absolutely are. I've met them.
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....All of which does make me further appreciate that these people are also staggeringly incompetent, as only someone with that level of hubris can be.
That they will fail at every attempt to remake the world in their image is a bygone conclusion; the only question is how much damage they will do and how hilariously they fail on the way down.
The reaper comes for everyone eventually, as they say.
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Then again, Dante called his greatest work a "comedy" and I didn't laugh once in that.
"Comedy" didn't exactly mean the same thing then as it does now.
Basically it meant a story that started under shitty circumstances and had a happy ending.... which The Divine Comedy does.
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I know. I was making a joke. Same way as "Comedian" in French actually means actor, usually.
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Milton is odd because iirc the book was written over the course of like 20 years and Milton flip flopped on Monarchy a lot during the English civil war. He went insane for a period and I take a lot of shit as kinda disguised commentary about the English War.I'm totally fine with different interpretations and indeed enjoy discussing it. But I don't think I lack the context or that I'm wrong when in my statement that he means the line. I don't even think it's a standard interpretation that he doesn't mean it (though I'm not really interested in Appeals To Critics god help us). As you say yourself, he almost repents upon seeing Eden, and the work is explicit in that he could repent and come back if he did (don't ask me for a reference to that - it's years since I've read it). He means his lines because he ultimately lives by them - his pride and ambition don't allow him to serve in Heaven, he chooses Hell.
As to it being a comedy, a little tongue in cheek but having waded through all the long passages of God and Jesus telling each other how great they are, I struggle to imagine Milton as somone who would ever deliberately write humour.
Then again, Dante called his greatest work a "comedy" and I didn't laugh once in that.
Peace - my intent was to back up someone's comments about a certain mentality. It's hard for some people to really believe that there are people who think like that but there absolutely are. I've met them.
There was someone who did a deep dive on it once and the commentary is interesting because the argument is that the book’s narrative was re-written during the war.
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Education, shitposting, mildly entertaining political thesis, and absolute fucking retardation, all in one thread.
This is the kind of thing that makes the Farms awesome.
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I think I might have come across that once but I think I didn't listen to it at the time. If you come across it again sometime, I'd be interested in giving it a listen.
Poor Milton. A deeply religious man who through no fault of his own and some very badass lines, accidentally did more to make the Devil a hero in popular culture than almost anyone else. "Let him surer bar is His iron gates, if he would have my stay in that dark durance." I'm typing that line from memory right now and it must be over twenty years since I first read it.
(Context for others, that's Satan saying that if God wants him not to leave Hell, it's on God to stop him)
It is absolutely my favourite thing about the Farms as well. We're like the last bar on the Internet. Everywhere else is closed now and all the people who didn't fit in elsewhere are here now. Tis better to be damned on Kiwifarms than to be upvoted on Reddit.
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There's plenty of modern comedy to be found in Paradise Lost.
Namely in that most people are too retarded to understand that Satan is not the hero in it because of their own hubris and inability to think past themselves and their own society except when convenient.
Hey, I never said it wasn't black comedy.
Namely in that most people are too retarded to understand that Satan is not the hero in it because of their own hubris and inability to think past themselves and their own society except when convenient.
Hey, I never said it wasn't black comedy.
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That and the fact we can say the word NIGGER as loud and often as we wish.
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"NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST STOP WORSHIPPING OUR PET NIGGERINOS!!!!"
Lmao coping and seething out of the charts. You can almost feel the shakes of anxiety of the j*urnoscum. There are hundreds of cases and laws around which blatantly violate civil rights which these fuckers love because it is "positive discrimination" and they can't handle the fact people are not longer just accepting it to not be called racist.
The Biden admin was literally racially segregating federal subsides and loans. Same with racial quotas. If you won't end it then we will just make whites a protected class.
Lmao coping and seething out of the charts. You can almost feel the shakes of anxiety of the j*urnoscum. There are hundreds of cases and laws around which blatantly violate civil rights which these fuckers love because it is "positive discrimination" and they can't handle the fact people are not longer just accepting it to not be called racist.
The Biden admin was literally racially segregating federal subsides and loans. Same with racial quotas. If you won't end it then we will just make whites a protected class.
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It's because this movement against "Affirmative Action" is like a freight train barreling down on their racial spoils system.
It's incredibly popular, and numerous corporations are under lawsuit for it via outfits like Pivotrak and America First Legal.
The supreme court has already ruled it illegal, and that ruling has no limitations to just colleges in its language.
Meanwhile, Rufo has launched a massive plagiarism bounty program that has scalped Harvard's president and is in its terminal phase against numerous DEI directors and "researchers".
Additionally, DEI has been defunded across several red states and that movement is gaining steam.
They know they're fucked.
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I'm so glad they added a teaspoon of security into the OCEAN of absolute insecurity that is "mail ballots".
Fucking morons.
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I'm here for the newspeak talk and walk backs.
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Should've asked why bidet made the day after the school shooting by the pooner last year Troon Viz Day as well
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No shit, this might alarm lil' Ben Shapiro but people can be for Israel (without funding them) and also realizing they're doing this in the most unsympathetic way it's going to create bigger backlash.
Why do people like Trump? Because he's willing to say "That Albatross is gross, too ugly, sad!"
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I'll admit that I didn't bother watching the 2020 debates because they're a waste of time and I figured Trump was going to win anyways, but was Biden as senile during the campaign as he is now, or has he just dramatically declined over the course of 4 years. I know dementia is a scary thing that can happen pretty fast, but there must have been warning signs even back in the campaigning season Biden wasn't well enough to run as a puppet.
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from what i remember Biden was much more put together when they carted him out to do campaign speeches in early 2020. i don't know if that's because he was actually healthier or the drugs were doing a better job. i think it was about halfway through 2020 when he went kind of quiet for a while and then after the election he started heading towards full on dementia mode, even in pre-recorded videos
edit: since there are plenty of videos of his horrible failures at doing simple tasks like walking, compare recent clips to this clip from 2019
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In 2020 Joepedo was sucking on his wife's fingers, and mistaking his sister for his wife. He was clearly having issues when allowed out of the basement, and the first debate was just his instructors telling him to say X, Y, Z lines and then the faggot Chris Wallace would swoop in to defend Joepedo from Trump. Then, in the second debate (we missed one because Orange was hit with Chyna Virus), Joepedo said stupid things like he was going to ban fracking and end the Keystone Pipeline, to the point where the debate moderator Kristen Welker said ".....why would you say that?"
This is why no matter what faggots will say, Trump won 2020 if you look at it from beyond just election day, there was nothing there for Joepedo. That's what makes the rigging and voter fraud so much more obvious than "JuST maIL in BaLLotS!"
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