Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

Will Robyn actually go back to see the neurosurgeon in California?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 12.2%
  • No

    Votes: 107 50.2%
  • Luna will die before the planned trip date

    Votes: 80 37.6%

  • Total voters
    213
  • Poll closed .
Ah okay, that's why it stuck out to me lol.

Still find it incredible that Glenn is admitting Robyn eats it too, she can't be happy about that one.
I'm sure it's the In N Out with grass-fed beef, gluten free buns, no seed oils used in the fries, organic produce, grass fed milk in the milkshakes and cheese.

I mean, we all know Robyn would never touch deadly nightshade ketchup with corn syrup nor deadly nightshade potatoes.

In N Out is a fucking national treasure, all the better if Robyn doesn't get any, but please take Atlas.
 
She has posted about not believing in due dates or an issue with going over 40 weeks. Is it possible shes past 40 weeks and the babies super growing?
Theoretically, yes. However, on an individual level, gestational length tends to be similar for each pregnancy. There is some variability depending on various maternal and fetal characteristics. Each subsequent pregnancy also tends to be a day or two shorter than the previous one.

Thing is, none of this really matters because Robyn can only estimate the length of her previous two pregnancies.

Hellin's law - 1 pregnancy in 87 is naturally twins, although some ethnic groups have higher or lower rates.

Triplets are 87 squared, quadruplets are 87 cubed, etc.
Dizygotic ("fraternal") twins can also run in families. It appears that a tendency to hyperovulate, or release more than one egg in a menstrual cycle, is at least partly an inherited genetic trait.

Are you for a real? This woman makes between a bad and OK wage to work with severely disabled kids and you call her a soulless cunt? She probably works with Luna to offer the tiny bit of useful PT she can in between Robyn’s delusions (child).
Respectfully, have you seen the way the therapist manhandles Luna? There's no way that's "useful PT" for anyone, but for Luna, there's very little the physical therapist can do that would qualify as helpful at this point. It's all for Robyn's benefit.

I don't know about "soulless cunt", but she is certainly in way over her head with Luna and sometimes seems to handle her roughly or without considering the added mass of Luna's unique cranial anatomy. I guess the "soulless" accusation requires that one believe that the therapist knows that she's complicit in futile torture of a child and doesn't care. Personally, I think it equally likely that she actually believes she's helping because she's an incompetent moron.
 
Theoretically, yes. However, on an individual level, gestational length tends to be similar for each pregnancy. There is some variability depending on various maternal and fetal characteristics. Each subsequent pregnancy also tends to be a day or two shorter than the previous one.
The womb and the woman's body becomes more effecient with each subsequent pregnancy carried to term. A full term gestation can have some variation, but it is actually a strict schedual when you think about it. 38-41 weeks in healthy mothers and babies. 3 weeks of variation compared to 10 months of gestation, it's honestly not a whole lot of wiggle room.

In nature we also see this tight schedual of gestation all the time. It's one of the few things that is predictable in nature. The gestation period is dependent on the species of course, but as soon as you know that, you know how long the pregnancy lasts almost without fail for healthy females of that species.

For healthy chickens it is 20-21 days. It is always 20-21 days for healthy chicks and it will forever be 20-21 days.

Same with us humans

When she does go into labor, we can easily calculate the conception by +/-3 weeks. Hell, most of the time it is honestly 38-40 but to be considered term by medical standards it's 38+. Past 41, and something is wrong and you go get that sweet sweet pitocin to help your body kickstart labour.
 
I guess the "soulless" accusation requires that one believe that the therapist knows that she's complicit in futile torture of a child and doesn't care. Personally, I think it equally likely that she actually believes she's helping because she's an incompetent moron.
I've said before I personally think it's a little of both. They operate a shady Facebook-only buissness that seems to focus exclusively on severely disabled children. I think they're very self-righteous true believers who think they're giving opportunities to deserving kids that others won't. But I also think that they know that in a lot of cases they're not helping and it's a giant waste of time, especially in Luna's case. We've seen the mask slip, like when the short haired therapist gave Robyn the "I told you I didn't want to be recorded" look, or recently when she was watching TV while feeding Luna. We've seen the blonde one squeeze Luna to trigger a seizure in order to give the illusion Luna did something, or handle her in very questionable ways. If nothing else, by now they both should know, as trained professionals, that Luna is not improving or meeting goals, but they continue to put on the charade because at the end of the day they get paid.
 
We've seen the blonde one squeeze Luna to trigger a seizure in order to give the illusion Luna did something, or handle her in very questionable ways.
The mere thought of these whores triggering a seizure on purpose to get a reaction out of Luna for Instagram actually makes me want to slap a bitch, preferably Robyn for allowing it, condoning it, and being the fucking ring leader in this scheme.



If Robyn is indeed reading these threads, I do not condone violence, it is not a threat and blah blah blah you get the point bitch, go suck a cock.
 
I've said before I personally think it's a little of both. They operate a shady Facebook-only buissness that seems to focus exclusively on severely disabled children. I think they're very self-righteous true believers who think they're giving opportunities to deserving kids that others won't. But I also think that they know that in a lot of cases they're not helping and it's a giant waste of time, especially in Luna's case. We've seen the mask slip, like when the short haired therapist gave Robyn the "I told you I didn't want to be recorded" look, or recently when she was watching TV while feeding Luna. We've seen the blonde one squeeze Luna to trigger a seizure in order to give the illusion Luna did something, or handle her in very questionable ways. If nothing else, by now they both should know, as trained professionals, that Luna is not improving or meeting goals, but they continue to put on the charade because at the end of the day they get paid.
Yeah, unless she’s mentally challenged like Robyn she must notice four years have gone and there’s been absolutely no progress. I’d argue Luna has actually regressed, like her infamous stepping is worse than it used to be.

Edit: meant to quote Disgruntled Pupper.
 
Are you for a real? This woman makes between a bad and OK wage to work with severely disabled kids and you call her a soulless cunt? She probably works with Luna to offer the tiny bit of useful PT she can in between Robyn’s delusions (child).
Yes. A soulless cunt. She knows she’s not doing anything for this child. It’s all performative. All she does is feed into Robyn’s woo delusions.

Being paid crap does not excuse what she does to Luna on a daily basis. Luna should receive PT-as someone else said, gentle stretching of muscles, making sure her muscles don’t atrophy.

This one woman is downright unethical. She constantly triggers seizures in Luna and acts like it’s purposeful behavior. That’s diabolical.
 
Here’s a question for the medfags: obviously, those PTs are no help to Luna physically. Is there any point in having them come simply for the social aspect? Even if they come and do some appropriate therapy (muscle stretching, etc) and talk to her, sing songs, read books, etc. Would she get anything out of that? Is there any enrichment that would add anything to her life?
 
Here’s a question for the medfags: obviously, those PTs are no help to Luna physically. Is there any point in having them come simply for the social aspect? Even if they come and do some appropriate therapy (muscle stretching, etc) and talk to her, sing songs, read books, etc. Would she get anything out of that? Is there any enrichment that would add anything to her life?
For Atlas and Robyn, sure. For Luna? No. She can't process sensory input and it's all a pointless exercise to make Robyn feel better. Luna gets nothing out of it because there's no Luna in there.
 
Here’s a question for the medfags: obviously, those PTs are no help to Luna physically. Is there any point in having them come simply for the social aspect? Even if they come and do some appropriate therapy (muscle stretching, etc) and talk to her, sing songs, read books, etc. Would she get anything out of that? Is there any enrichment that would add anything to her life?
Her body will get some benefit from messages and turning her every so often like every vegtable, but Luna as a person with thoughts and feelings (both sensory feelings and emotional feelings), is not there. Any good mother would have regular massage therapy and muscle stretches for their vegtable child. However, Robyn is only doing this for the 'Gram I'm afraid, and she got the most incompetent PTs I have ever personally seen. Like someone else said in this thread, any PT worth their salt would have walked away from this circus because this is just Robyn indulging in delusion and this is not the kind of "therapy" Luna needs. She needs what I said above.

She also just needs to keep Luna in a dark room on a soft bed for most of the day and night, with gental, soft music in the background, massaged and turned every few hours, bathed 2-3 times a week, and fed on occasion (even if I disagree with feeding her, I want her to pass on sometime soon). She needs quiet cuddles and kisses and no younger toddler brother bonking his head on her's in an attempt to get her to respond and play.

That would be the most humane way to love and respect Luna as a person and what she has gone through, and if "mama" was doing that she wouldnt have a nearly 1,000 page thread here. She would just be a cautionary tale to prevent other mothers from injuring their children with basically a no supervised home birth. (Those "midwives" were just fellow crunchy mothers who also had home births and did not know what the fuck they were doing and did not have the gumption to call an ambulance when they should have, gym-brah either)

Edited for grammer because I have the 'tism lol
 
"She also just needs to keep Luna in a dark room on a soft bed for most of the day and night, with gental, soft music in the background, massaged and turned every few hours, bathed 2-3 times a week, and fed on occasion (even if I disagree with feeding her, I want her to pass on sometime soon). She needs quiet cuddles and kisses and no younger toddler brother bonking his head on her's in an attempt to get her to respond and play."

I have no medical background so I get stuck and confused when it comes to Luna's care. It seems in her current state there's a chance her body will continue living for several more years unless a sudden illness or event takes it out. With the shunt properly working, her brain stem remains untouched, which means her basic life functions continue. That being said, I agree about keeping her in a dark room, away from stimuli, etc... but again, because of the shunt, this isn't really palliative care, because the shunt is preventing her condition from progressing, or at best, slowing it down tremendously. Assuming Luna wasn't Globyn's daughter, what would a normal parent even do with her (apart from not causing the condition in the first place).

Is it actually legal/ethical/humane to limit feedings so the body can continue to wither? Remove the shunt since it's assumed she can't feel pain anyway? I honestly have no idea. I believe Luna deserves peace and to be shuffled off this mortal coil, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. At the same time, it doesn't feel right in my heart (big softie here) to create a situation that would expedite her condition, especially after everything she's been through. The whole situation seems beyond fucked up to be honest.

For some reason, I couldn't quote/reply to your post, KiwiFarmer.
 
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"She also just needs to keep Luna in a dark room on a soft bed for most of the day and night, with gental, soft music in the background, massaged and turned every few hours, bathed 2-3 times a week, and fed on occasion (even if I disagree with feeding her, I want her to pass on sometime soon). She needs quiet cuddles and kisses and no younger toddler brother bonking his head on her's in an attempt to get her to respond and play."

I have no medical background so I get stuck and confused when it comes to Luna's care. It seems in her current state there's a chance her body will continue living for several more years unless a sudden illness or event takes it out. With the shunt properly working, her brain stem remains untouched, which means her basic life functions continue. That being said, I agree about keeping her in a dark room, away from stimuli, etc... but again, because of the shunt, this isn't really palliative care, because the shunt is preventing her condition from progressing, or at best, slowing it down tremendously. Assuming Luna wasn't Globyn's daughter, what would a normal parent even do with her (apart from not causing the condition in the first place).

Is it actually legal/ethical/humane to limit feedings so the body can continue to wither? Remove the shunt since it's assumed she can't feel pain anyway? I honestly have no idea. I believe Luna deserves peace and to be shuffled off this mortal coil, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. At the same time, it doesn't feel right in my heart (big softie here) to create a situation that would expedite her condition, especially after everything she's been through. The whole situation seems beyond fucked up to be honest.

For some reason, I couldn't quote/reply to your post, KiwiFarmer.
My whole reasoning for my feeding opinion is, if she can't swallow intentionally, or even as a reflex (which she can't) I would have never interviened and put in a feeding tube. I would see it as her brain and body's way of trying to die, and in adult hospice, you are not allowed to put in a feeding tube if they can't eat or swallow on their own. If they followed normal procedure, Luna would have long since been dead.

Edit: Also, I would never let poor Luna suffer even if I take out the feeding tube, dying is a natural process and we can ease the pain of our loved ones dying. I would give Luna all of the pain medication I could simply on the off chance she might feel any type of discomfort, also, it is standard procedure to give things like morphine at end-of-life (hospice) care.

Robyn is not giving her any pain meds and as far as we know, she is still putting coconut oil in her fucking eyes.

I just want her suffering to end, and she should not still be alive. She needs to be allowed to die. I know you are a softie (I am as well) but think of it as a mercy. It is merciful to let our loved ones to pass on when they are ready, and not being able to swallow is as clear of a sign as they come that someone is near death.
 
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