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More likely the former than the latter. The US Military is simply too erratic of a customer to rely on as a sole buyer for these - You'll have 2-3 years of huge, off the wall orders as they fill the warehouses, then "No thanks" trickle token orders for minimal use as they horde it all and try to cost control. You need a civilian market for the dry periods when the bean counters are worried about the riflemen using 2 mags instead of 1 for qualifications, there's savings in that brass and by god they're gonna get it, even if you gotta train by shouting "BANG" instead.
What I suspect is even more retarded. A contract against selling to -domestic- sources... which means it will be sold to foreign suppliers and imported en masse.
 
Trump posted his $175 million bond.

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The fag judge in the hush money case is now expanding his faggy gag order on Trump to include his daughter, who is a democrat operative who works for Adam Schiff.

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The Florida Supreme Court is putting both abortion and weed legalization on the ballot in November, which in theory will help the liberals get out the vote. Because people pointed this out about how you cannot go to 6 week abortion bans immediately just to show you're the super conservative governor who is gonna beat Trump, you start with the first trimester and slowly dial it back, all the Meatball supporters in denial of his screwup lash out at the MAGA wing. All Desantis does is the facade of winning for hecking based ConInc.

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the only thing "pro" in most prolifers is that they're doing it for a income and have no reason to want the grift to stop
 
THe rifle is your typical "THIS IS GREAT" you see. (It's heavy, it's got known issues that were ignored) A big problem is... SURPRISE! THE AMMO!

First of all, Sig retained the patent. A Texas company started making them, but they didn't pass the tests (no reason why, just "No") and the other big military ammo plant is busy dealing with lawfare and hasn't completely tooled the line over.

Sig's production line isn't that big.

Rifle ammo eats up a LOT of ammo, even during peacetime.

Let's use some WAG numbers for unit sizes (they're no longer dress right dress, it's all fucked up)

They've already reduced training to 1 rifle qualification a year.

Let's go with a single active duty company. We'll put it at 50 for shits and giggles.

But still, we'll go with 1 20-round mag to zero your rifle in. OK, there's 1000 rounds just there.

Now, the range: We'll say everyone's a first time go. That's 2 20-round magazines.

So, now you've got 3,000 rounds, or 60 rounds per troop.

Now, the ENTIRE US military has to qualify once a year. We'll just use Army numbers.

IT's about 450K Active Duty.

That's 27,500,000 rounds per year. TWENTY-SEVEN MILLION needed PER YEAR.

And that's just to qualify, with everyone being a first time go.

And just for the rifle. LMGs are notorious ammo hogs.

Now, of course, you still have to maintain your war stocks. It's supposed to be for the US military to fight for 90 days without any resupply. (LOL, we know that gets the shit ignored out of it)

During Iraq and Afghanistan the US military used 5.5 million rounds of 5.56 just in the rifles PER MONTH. And that was low-intensity conflict usage.

When I say I had a half-billion rounds of 5.56mm in West Germany under my control, people think I'm yanking their chain even though it was the Cold War.

That was an estimated 45 days of fighting for two divisions.

With the current feed times for ammo for the new rifle 6.89mm/.227 Fury, they can't keep up with what the US Army ALONE needs just to qualify.

The M4/M16 isn't going anywhere.

Besides, the US Army still uses the fucking M113.
 
The Florida Supreme Court is putting both abortion and weed legalization on the ballot in November, which in theory will help the liberals get out the vote. Because people pointed this out about how you cannot go to 6 week abortion bans immediately just to show you're the super conservative governor who is gonna beat Trump, you start with the first trimester and slowly dial it back, all the Meatball supporters in denial of his screwup lash out at the MAGA wing. All Desantis does is the facade of winning for hecking based ConInc.

The problem is all women want legal abortion and this is the issue that the nobody wants to talk about how many abortion bans were on the ballot and were struck down in conservative states?

its a losing issue and everyone knows it , but keep in mind that if wanna make ALL women showing up this is the way, and plenty of independents and undecided would rather have trump than Biden.
 
With the current feed times for ammo for the new rifle 6.89mm/.227 Fury, they can't keep up with what the US Army ALONE needs just to qualify.

The M4/M16 isn't going anywhere.
And if they want to change this in any significant way, they'll have to approach the Civilian market...

A contract against selling to -domestic- sources
Which would make this nearly untenable - The manufacturers aren't stupid, and the Military is notoriously short sighted and bullheaded at times. If they buckle down and decide this rifle is happening, and congress can pound sand, then they're going to sign whatever deal gets Remington and all the others onboard making it, and they know it. Excessively restrictive civilian sales won't fly because that's where everyone else makes their money.

I don't doubt that they'll entertain trying it, but as soon as one of the big players says "Nope, its a dealbreaker", that condition will fade. And it really is a dealbreaker for them, if 6.8 is the future combat rifle cartridge of choice, average and middle-informed shooters will want it. If people want it, they will get rifles chambered in it. And if they have rifles chambered in it, they'll need ammo. Nobody is going to willingly accept basically being uncompetitive in their main market because of having to export import rules lawyer around dumb contracts, when they know they'll lose out long term to foreign manufacturers in that case regardless. And the US has so thoroughly hurt its domestic ammo manufacturing as-is that they really can't afford to lose any of the big players to that math, they're sort of trapped together.
 
The problem is all women want legal abortion and this is the issue that the nobody wants to talk about how many abortion bans were on the ballot and were struck down in conservative states?
"it was worded confusingly!" t- bible fucker who won't slowly change culture because that would mean winning
 
And if they want to change this in any significant way, they'll have to approach the Civilian market...


Which would make this nearly untenable - The manufacturers aren't stupid, and the Military is notoriously short sighted and bullheaded at times. If they buckle down and decide this rifle is happening, and congress can pound sand, then they're going to sign whatever deal gets Remington and all the others onboard making it, and they know it. Excessively restrictive civilian sales won't fly because that's where everyone else makes their money.

I don't doubt that they'll entertain trying it, but as soon as one of the big players says "Nope, its a dealbreaker", that condition will fade. And it really is a dealbreaker for them, if 6.8 is the future combat rifle cartridge of choice, average and middle-informed shooters will want it. If people want it, they will get rifles chambered in it. And if they have rifles chambered in it, they'll need ammo. Nobody is going to willingly accept basically being uncompetitive in their main market because of having to export import rules lawyer around dumb contracts, when they know they'll lose out long term to foreign manufacturers in that case regardless. And the US has so thoroughly hurt its domestic ammo manufacturing as-is that they really can't afford to lose any of the big players to that math, they're sort of trapped together.
Remember, the lead plant in the US closed down too.

Another problem with ammunition acquisition.
 
How.... can they be this consistently stupid. This is exactly what Trump's lawyers wanted and it was such am obvious ploy. How do you not see that!? The gag order as it was, was just this side of legal. No appeal would work. Now it's clearly unconstitutional and in violation of standing precedent, law, and policy.

They turned a slam dunk legal win into an almost certain successful appeal.
It's easy to push a tyrant's buttons. It's risky since you know they'll retaliate. But I think in Trump's case, the rewards outweigh the risks.
 
And the US has so thoroughly hurt its domestic ammo manufacturing as-is that they really can't afford to lose any of the big players to that math, they're sort of trapped together
Are you sure they won't double down and try to kill off domestic production even more? The Biden Administration is not known for foresight
 
The government isn't supposed to approve "proprietary" technology as it pidegonholds them to one supplier which takes competition and flexibility out of the equation. If they are going proprietary with standard issue ammunition, then we're completely fucked if we ever get into another conflict, period.
 
Not sure which to believe here. "The gun companies will HAVE to sell this to civilians" vs "The government is banning this from being sold to civilians."

More likely the former than the latter. The US Military is simply too erratic of a customer to rely on as a sole buyer for these - You'll have 2-3 years of huge, off the wall orders as they fill the warehouses, then "No thanks" trickle token orders for minimal use as they horde it all and try to cost control. You need a civilian market for the dry periods when the bean counters are worried about the riflemen using 2 mags instead of 1 for qualifications, there's savings in that brass and by god they're gonna get it, even if you gotta train by shouting "BANG" instead.

And if they want to change this in any significant way, they'll have to approach the Civilian market...
Any M855A1 or M80A1 you see for sale fell off the back of a truck. The military mandates that all extra rounds be destroyed. If they didn’t I guarantee that Winchester would be selling the excess right now. They plan to do the same thing for 6.8. Winchester just won a contract to build an entirely new facility at LCAAP just to make 6.8. There will likely be a second source contract given to Winchester or Vista but again mandating that all the excess projectiles be destroyed.
Remember, the lead plant in the US closed down too.

Another problem with ammunition acquisition.
Both A1 and NGSW are lead free rounds. 50 cal has always had very little lead in it. The lead is less of an issue for the military.
 
Cause it has "president Biden" in the title

I know, "usurper" should be the word, president implies legitimate election.

The Florida Supreme Court is putting both abortion and weed legalization on the ballot in November, which in theory will help the liberals get out the vote. Because people pointed this out about how you cannot go to 6 week abortion bans immediately just to show you're the super conservative governor who is gonna beat Trump, you start with the first trimester and slowly dial it back, all the Meatball supporters in denial of his screwup lash out at the MAGA wing.
FLGOP were already working on this prior to the 2022 election.
They won a supermajority.
 
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A big problem is... SURPRISE! THE AMMO!
Given the state of the military today, I have high doubts they can solve this issue in 5+ years and maintain them for longer. That's assuming there are no mechanical issues with it either. They have bigger problems with reserve ammo for their current supply.
 
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