Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Said BFF was a Sith Lord with too much control in politics to ever be properly tried fairly. The Jedi Order was fucked if he lived or died but at least the sith would be gone.

But they didn't have proof that he was a Sith at the time until Anakin ratted him out. However, they did sense that Palpatine was surrounded by the Dark Side, and yes, Windu DID WARN that putting the two of them together is dangerous and not a good idea.

Which again, means that the best idea would've been to separate the two. Make Anakin a master, throw him at Grievous and the Wookiees. That way, Palpatine's protector is on the other side of the galaxy. Meaning that the Jedi would have a free hand to deal with Palpatine in any way they saw fit.

Accidentally ? You can say Anakin did an impulsive move but what was his plan assuming Palpatine didnt turn Mace into Kentucky Fried Windu? Be like "Opps, my bad, but uhhh, I had to!". Anakin was impulsive but its clearly he knew what he was doing. If you want to argue he regretted it, thats another story.

No he didn't. Anakin didn't know it would kill Windu. It was an impulse move. In fact, he even asks ''what have I done'' afterwards, showing that yes, he didn't know it would kill the guy.

And if he would get "cooked" by them, I dont think so. The Jedi only kill active threats (and before you say Palpatine wasnt an active threat anymore, just because he wasnt blasting lightning anymore, doesnt mean he wasnt still a threat on the greater scheme) and if Anakin showed legit regret, they would certain banish him from the order but not kill him.

Anakin saved a Sith by killing a Jedi. And not just any old Jedi, but a member of the Jedi Council. Yeah, no, the rest of the Council and the Order will have his ass on a plate. Maybe Kenobi would try to intercede for him, but the rest of the Order won't listen to him at that point.

The answer, my friend, is rather very simple...They are just very incompetent writers and trying to imagine a better version of their moronic plots is a waste of creative juices because you know they are not sending their best to handle this franchise and they never will anymore.

I know. Filoni just wants the Empire to look bad. Which kinda makes it stupid when the New Republic in his works is bad too. At least if you're going to double-down on the Empire being bad, make the New Republic good so people can have some fucking hope. The Jedi Knight games did that right. The Filoniverse just looks so dystopian when ALL factions are evil or incompetent, one way or another.

 

[The handsome tard]

I know. Filoni just wants the Empire to look bad. Which kinda makes it stupid when the New Republic in his works is bad too. At least if you're going to double-down on the Empire being bad, make the New Republic good so people can have some fucking hope. The Jedi Knight games did that right. The Filoniverse just looks so dystopian when ALL factions are evil, one way or another.

I guess you could call it "realistic" but this isnt some Cold War espionage thriller drama where both sides are responsible for horrible things, this is fiction and we are suppose to WANT the New Republic to come out ontop.
But then again, lets face it, whats the point? Literally the first act of this new canon was to declare the New Republic an incompetent corrupt system, probably as bad if not worse than the old one, and have their political power atomized to bits (and its all implied it was thanks to decades of imperial infiltration and boycotts but it makes everyone in N.R look utterly incompetent to not notice ANYTHING like that over so long).

Besides, the little we are shown of the N.R during the post RoTJ era, we see they are argurably as bad as the empire.

I really never got the whys of doing this, besides just justifying wiping the slate clean so its bad to Rebels vs Empire again. At least make the N.R be a force of legit good so that when they are destroyed, its legit a big loss but I dont feel anything when Starkiller base destroys it after all we are shown.

And hell, iirc, Hosnian Prime was meant to be Coruscant in earlier drafts of the script so this was J.J symbolically destroying the "boring politics" of the prequels, world building be damned.

I guess we are just suppose to assume that the Newer Republic or something will be better but the problem with retconning your first perfectly happy ending with a new inferior one is that the audience wont feel as invested, they will feel cheated and they know it will probably not last because, why, the first happy ending didnt stick around so why would this one ? Because of Rey - Bestestevah- Palpatine is around? Oh how comforting.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I guess you could call it "realistic" but this isnt some Cold War espionage thriller drama where both sides are responsible for horrible things, this is fiction and we are suppose to WANT the New Republic to come out ontop.

Exactly. We're supposed to be rooting for one side to win over the other. And if we can't root for the Empire, since the Empire is just flat-out stupid evil instead of smart evil like in the old days, then the least they can do is let us root for the New Republic, which is the faction that our beloved heroes fought to build up with their blood, sweat, toil, and suffering. Again, the Jedi Knight games did this well, by showing that the New Republic is good and proactive, its leaders are capable of acting quickly to silence threats, while the Imperials and Sith/Dark Jedi are the kind of evil assholes who experiment on people to find out more about the Force and carry out terrorist attacks against civilians using mercenaries and special forces.

The good guys are good, and the bad guys are bad. It's a simple fucking formula that made billions of dollars.

But then again, lets face it, whats the point? Literally the first act of this new canon was to declare the New Republic an incompetent corrupt system, probably as bad if not worse than the old one, and have their political power atomized to bits (and its all implied it was thanks to decades of imperial infiltration and boycotts but it makes everyone in N.R look utterly incompetent to not notice ANYTHING like that over so long).

The very least they could do is make the New Republic good before it gets corrupted down the line. Like, at least show in the Mando show and in Ahsoka a New Republic that works smoothly, then plant the seeds of the First Order undermining them by paying off Senators on the side.

Also, they just ripped off SWTOR. The Sith Empire was infiltrating the Republic for centuries before they invaded.

So much for the SWEU being inferior, they were ripping it off even in the earliest days.

Besides, the little we are shown of the N.R during the post RoTJ era, we see they are argurably as bad as the empire.

Depends. Some works in the SWEU portrayed them as effective, until the NJO novels made them stupider than the Empire just so the Vong could be a threat.

I really never got the whys of doing this, besides just justifying wiping the slate clean so its bad to Rebels vs Empire again. At least make the N.R be a force of legit good so that when they are destroyed, its legit a big loss but I dont feel anything when Starkiller base destroys it after all we are shown.

My point exactly. I'd have made it so that the NR was an effective superpower, and that they were massing their fleet in Hosnia to deal with the First Order for good, then the FO strikes first with the Starkiller Base, destroying the NR armada, leaving Leia and her forces to fend for themselves.

And hell, iirc, Hosnian Prime was meant to be Coruscant in earlier drafts of the script so this was J.J symbolically destroying the "boring politics" of the prequels, world building be damned.

Like I said before, the Sequels were made with hatred of the Prequels as the intention. And given that the Prequels spent time worldbuilding and doing politics, the Sequels avoided both like the plague, even if it made the SW galaxy look stupid.

I guess we are just suppose to assume that the Newer Republic or something will be better but the problem with retconning your first perfectly happy ending with a new inferior one is that the audience wont feel as invested, they will feel cheated and they know it will probably not last because, why, the first happy ending didnt stick around so why would this one ? Because of Rey - Bestestevah- Palpatine is around? Oh how comforting.

For all you know, what's left of the First Order still won control of the galaxy. The so-called ''citizens' fleet'' worn themselves out fighting Palpatine's Final Order fleet, and that was before he zapped them. They come back home and see First Order ships, and the rebellion against them is still going on, but the FO could've held off that rebellion and won anyways, especially when core worlds like Coruscant joined the FO freely, out of their own volition. Coruscant alone would give the First Order a massive manpower boost, more than enough to hold off the rabble who survived the fight with the Final Order.

 

[Male Idiot]

Well, SWTOR and the whole KOTOR tried to worldbuild competently at first.

So the Sith still had to maintain a society and their own holdings and henchmen.

They weren't rootless cosmopolitans parasitising the Republic and pulling strings from the shadows only, they had their own turf which they had to keep in one place so they had to curtail the worst excesses of their autism, I mean edgelordism.

 

[M3xus]

So, my sister came down to visit recently. She liked Star Wars before, but became really into it after Disney bought it and didn't understand why I didn't care for Disney's output. We simply agreed that I prefer pre-Disney SW and she likes Disney Wars and left it at that.

Now she tells me she's getting fed up with Disney Wars. The breaking point for her is that there's a character in the Bad Batch that died last season (Tech, I think), and there's heavy hints dropping he's not actually dead, just being controlled somehow. She's basically told me she's giving up if it turns out they don't have the balls to keep a character dead and she's moving on to something else.

I know, I know, it's a personal anecdote and not data, but if even someone that's been to Disney World more times than is healthy is getting fed up, it's making me wonder what the attitude among the more casual fans is.

 

[The Nothingness]

Just watched the recent BB episodes, and it tugs on emotional strings by having the Empire experiment on Force-sensitive kids that they're having bounty hunters round up for Project Necromancer. But it begs the question, why doesn't the Empire brainwash these kids to become spies? That was the plan Palpatine was trying to pull off in TCW when he hired Cad Bane to kidnap potential Jedi kids. These kids seem to be slated to be exterminated once the Empire has finished with experimenting on them, since Doctor Hemlock advises a female doctor working with him to not be emotionally attached with the kids, and of course, Filoni can't pass up another chance to make the Empire look evil. But not only is that a massive waste, it also contradicts TCW's plotline where Sidious was trying to get any Force-sensitive kid he can lay his hands on to create a spy corps with Force-sensitives using their powers to be his eyes and ears.

Along with what @The handsome tard said, they can't show child soldiers as bad guys since it would be problematic. Unless the characters switch allegiances and show no remorse killing their former comrades, like Finn did, then it's okay.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Wasn't one of his big early political efforts a fight for Black people's rights in South Africa? Or am I misremembering or misinformed about this by the Ben Kinglsey biopic?

As far as I know, it's a technicality. "Hey, hey, I hate niggers as much as the next guy, but stop treating my people like niggers!". Kind of like how a few founders of first-wave feminism were less about equality and more about not wanting to be on the same level as black women.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Well, SWTOR and the whole KOTOR tried to worldbuild competently at first.

So the Sith still had to maintain a society and their own holdings and henchmen.

They weren't rootless cosmopolitans parasitising the Republic and pulling strings from the shadows only, they had their own turf which they had to keep in one place so they had to curtail the worst excesssles of their autism, I mean edgelordism.

Basically, yes. And I'd say they did a better job than the Rule of Two. The Empire survived one way or another before Darth Bane came up with that rule.

The Rule of Two was good in times when the Sith needed to stay hidden, but once the Empire was proclaimed, they should've scrapped it in favor of having a Dark Council and thousands of Sith. ROTJ showed how fragile the Rule of Two Sith were; in one fowl swoop, one Sith killed the other Sith and died, leaving no Sith behind. If it wasn't for the SWEU bringing out new Dark-Siders left and right, the Sith would've died out there.

Now she tells me she's getting fed up with Disney Wars. The breaking point for her is that there's a character in the Bad Batch that died last season (Tech, I think), and there's heavy hints dropping he's not actually dead, just being controlled somehow. She's basically told me she's giving up if it turns out they don't have the balls to keep a character dead and she's moving on to something else.

Just look at Ventress. The books killed her off, but Filoni brought her back. Tech would probably be brought back as a clone operative under Hemlock, and then the gang catch him and de-program him back to normal. Then you'd have the Bad Batch back as a family again.

I know, I know, it's a personal anecdote and not data, but if even someone that's been to Disney World more times than is healthy is getting fed up, it's making me wonder what the attitude among the more casual fans is.

The casual fans don't give a shit so long as things go BOOM. It's just a dumb action series for them at this point.

Along with what @The handsome tard said, they can't show child soldiers as bad guys since it would be problematic. Unless the characters switch allegiances and show no remorse killing their former comrades, like Finn did, then it's okay.

That's just bullshit. Real-world dictators had no qualms about using children, and we saw from the PT how Palpatine was already setting his sights on Anakin even when the latter was a boy. But then again, this is Filoni, the man who invented bullshit inhibitor chips so that he can sell a ''DINDU NUFFIN'' plotline with the Clone Army and Order 66, even though the clones weren't just OK with the order, some of them hated the Jedi for being too merciful towards the Seps during the war, and some clones even grew to love the Empire and the increased order it brought to the galaxy.

I mean, if you were a clone who was forced to live a regimented lifestyle, only to see the people you protect running around free of such obligations, you'd feel shafted. Then when the same people are forced to live under a militaristic regime that forces them to pay their fair share to the system, you'd probably be happy that the freeloading plebs you were protecting now have to contribute something to the system for a change. It would only make sense to the clones that the citizens get things like chain codes and identification, since the clones had to live with that kind of regimented shit all their lives. Just by the way they are raised and regimented, the clones would obviously prefer the Empire to the Republic. Especially when the local civilians have to join them in battle and serve in the front lines, too.

As for the Empire and child soldiers, it would only make sense that if the Rebellion can send kids like Phoenix Squad into battle, the Empire should be able to do the same, especially since the Empire wouldn't really care if a few of them die in battle. They would just spin it with propaganda and move on, unlike the Rebels who would really lose their shit if teens or kids died on their watch.

 

[MagneticTowels]

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

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That's also another thing. If this were SWEU Palpatine, he'd just have nanny-droids and droid doctors watching over the kids, no human doctors who can see his secrets and sell him out or can get morally compromised. The latter are a risk, they can squeal or sabotage the project if they see something they don't agree with.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

That's also another thing. If this were SWEU Palpatine, he'd just have nanny-droids and droid doctors watching over the kids, no human doctors who can see his secrets and sell him out or can get morally compromised. The latter are a risk, they can squeal or sabotage the project if they see something they don't agree with.

>trusting clickers
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[Michael Wade]

TOR sith empire was legit interesting and cool to play around in. Playing as a light sided sith Inquisitor was legit some of the most interesting story telling ive ever seen in star wars. I basically roleplayed as a dude who starts out wanting to destroy the empire from within before seeing enough decent people in it to seriously attempt to reform and save it with Darth mar ( the greatest sith bro in the galaxy) I dropped off around the first eternal empire arc but it was pretty cool to build a temporary alliance of Jedi and sith.

I always had some kind of gift for winning when picking light sided options so it was alway fun pissing off the dark side players.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

TOR sith empire was legit interesting and cool to play around in. Playing as a light sided sith Inquisitor was legit some of the most interesting story telling ive ever seen in star wars. I basically roleplayed as a dude who starts out wanting to destroy the empire from within before seeing enough decent people in it to seriously attempt to reform and save it with Darth mar ( the greatest sith bro in the galaxy) I dropped off around the first eternal empire arc but it was pretty cool to build a temporary alliance of Jedi and sith.

The perfect society in Star Wars would be a Light-Sided Empire. Imagine the Empire in the OT, but with someone like Qui-Gon Jinn or Princess Leia in charge. The Republic is too chaotic to accomplish any meaningful good. It only shows teeth when it unites against a common foe, but then once that's over, it goes back to political bullshit. Backstabbing, ass-kissing, bribing, all that fun shit that made the Republic so bad half the galaxy tried to secede from them.

TOR letting you be a Light-Sided Emperor's Wrath or Dark Councilor actually showed meaningful change in SW narratives; as in, you can have this organized, militarized society take orders from someone of the Light for a change, instead of all the Light-Siders ass-kissing a political system that spits on everything the Jedi Code preaches. If you believe in peace and order, it would make more sense that you'd go for an orderly society, not one where aloof aristocrats winning popularity contests can screw up the system any day of the week.

 

[Michael Wade]

The perfect society in Star Wars would be a Light-Sided Empire. Imagine the Empire in the OT, but with someone like Qui-Gon Jinn or Princess Leia in charge. The Republic is too chaotic to accomplish any meaningful good. It only shows teeth when it unites against a common foe, but then once that's over, it goes back to political bullshit. Backstabbing, ass-kissing, bribing, all that fun shit that made the Republic so bad half the galaxy tried to secede from them.

TOR letting you be a Light-Sided Emperor's Wrath or Dark Councilor actually showed meaningful change in SW narratives; as in, you can have this organized, militarized society take orders from someone of the Light for a change, instead of all the Light-Siders ass-kissing a political system that spits on everything the Jedi Code preaches. If you believe in peace and order, it would make more sense that you'd go for an orderly society, not one where aloof aristocrats winning popularity contests can screw up the system any day of the week.

It really seems like the Fel empire from star wars legacy would be the optimal outcome from this.



Not exactly perfect but a lot better then the alternative.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It really seems like the Fel empire from star wars legacy would be the optimal outcome from this.

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Not exactly perfect but a lot better then the alternative.

Exactly. Legacy should've focused on that dynastic battle between the Fels and Darth Krayt. The Galactic Alliance just felt out of place; they should've died out and the galaxy should've just been divided between a Jedi Emperor and a Sith Emperor, both sending Star Destroyers and Stormtroopers at each other as they kill each other for the throne, and Moffs switch sides based on which ruler can offer them the most in terms of perks or power. Like say, one Moff chooses the Sith because his kid is Force-sensitive and is set to marry one of Darth Krayt's Sith Lords, and another Moff married his son to Marasiah Fel, so he chooses the Jedi.

Game of Thrones, in space. Backstabbing, court intrigue, complex politics, combined with lightsaber duels and epic space and ground battles. If Disney brought this out back when Game of Thrones was still a thing, they'd be rolling in the Benjamins.

 

[MagneticTowels]

The Republic is too chaotic to accomplish any meaningful good. It only shows teeth when it unites against a common foe, but then once that's over, it goes back to political bullshit. Backstabbing, ass-kissing, bribing, all that fun shit that made the Republic so bad half the galaxy tried to secede from them.

You mean like the U.S?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You mean like the U.S?

Worse. Imagine the US, but some states have aristocracies, local dictators, and even guys with extralegal power to kill on the spot. Oh, and minor civil wars between states, like in TPM.

 

[Male Idiot]

Didn't the Ruusan reformation basically curb the Jedi as they were having too much power? And it went weimar after that?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Didn't the Ruusan reformation basically curb the Jedi as they were having too much power? And it went weimar after that?

Yep. The Ruusan Reformation was the Republic chopping off its own balls. If the Army of Light retained its power, you wouldn't have crap like the Blockade of Naboo or the Separatist Crisis, nor would you have Hutts and pirates gaining power in the Outer Rim or corporations having their own mini-kingdoms.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Yep. The Ruusan Reformation was the Republic chopping off its own balls. If the Army of Light retained its power, you wouldn't have crap like the Blockade of Naboo or the Separatist Crisis, nor would you have Hutts and pirates gaining power in the Outer Rim or corporations having their own mini-kingdoms.

The Ruusan Reformation is a legitimate response to a millennia of unending war. Even though it wasn’t explored, I have no doubt that militarized, decentralized Jedi kingdoms led many Jedi to the dark side. They needed to be brought to heel and serve as a peacekeeping force.

The Ruusan Reformations worked. The collapse of the Republic only happened in the last 50 or so years of a near millennia of peace. The galaxy hadn’t seen a period of stability in the last 3000 years.