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[Markass the Worst]

Yet they're probably against open-carry...

The urbanist mind is full of contradictions. American public transit is held back by a conspiracy of malicious interests except crime somehow. ACAB and BLM except when it comes to traffic enforcement. Violence and self-defense is bad except you can do it to cars at any time with no prior justification beyond "cars bad."

Seriously, they could easily start believing the auto lobby is eroding enforcement of laws to let crime fester on public transit or something, but they just ignore crime or handwave it away as something to not be concerned about because muh car accident statistics.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

The urbanist mind is full of contradictions. American public transit is held back by a conspiracy of malicious interests except crime somehow. ACAB and BLM except when it comes to traffic enforcement. Violence and self-defense is bad except you can do it to cars at any time with no prior justification beyond "cars bad."

Seriously, they could easily start believing the auto lobby is eroding enforcement of laws to let crime fester on public transit or something, but they just ignore crime or handwave it away as something to not be concerned about because muh car accident statistics.

Leftists also believe in the conspiracy theory that electric cars failed to beat out internal combustion engine cars in the free market, because the auto companies and oil companies conspired to ensure that they never become viable.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

I really don't understand where these people get their sociology takes from. If anything being stuck on a busy subway or bus makes people anti-social as everyone just reads or plays on their phone until their stop. If society worked the way these guys say it works, NY wouldn't have a major crime epidemic and Japan and Korea wouldn't have a population crisis.

Same thing goes for apartment buildings, I can't tell you much about my neighbors other than one of them has a crying kid, meanwhile in the suburbs I know everyone on my street and would occasionally have BBQs or 4th of July parties.

If we are going to play armchair sociologist I can make a stronger argument that driving is a pro-social activity. Aside from being able to chat with any passengers without worring about disrupting everyone around you, driving does promote good social behavior. For example you need to be actively aware of everyone around you at all times, you need to coordinate with other drivers on the road using blinkers and gestures, let drivers pass you or slow down so they can merge, and you also should help other drivers if they are in trouble by offering aid or warning other drivers if danger (or a speed trap) is ahead.

 

[Chuck McGill]

Leftists also believe in the conspiracy theory that electric cars failed to beat out internal combustion engine cars in the free market, because the auto companies and oil companies conspired to ensure that they never become viable.

I can almost excuse them for thinking that of the one Chevy put out in the early 2000s. It would be a very easy mistake for someone to make. It sounds kinda right if you don't know jack, it has that ring of truth. But I've heard these people seriously suggest that there were electric cars back in 1905 or so, and Big Oil killed them. Ignoring how nonsensical it is that big oil got its foot in the door before there were oil-consuming vehicles, theyre kinda right, but they need to read on to the part where those electric cars were connected to tram lines, making them useless outside of a city. If anyone remembers the weird bumper cars in the first Super Mario Bros movie, very similar to that.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

I can almost excuse them for thinking that of the one Chevy put out in the early 2000s. It would be a very easy mistake for someone to make. It sounds kinda right if you don't know jack, it has that ring of truth. But I've heard these people seriously suggest that there were electric cars back in 1905 or so, and Big Oil killed them. Ignoring how nonsensical it is that big oil got its foot in the door before there were oil-consuming vehicles, theyre kinda right, but they need to read on to the part where those electric cars were connected to tram lines, making them useless outside of a city. If anyone remembers the weird bumper cars in the first Super Mario Bros movie, very similar to that.

There were some battery powered cars as far back as the 1890s iirc but those were curiosities for rich people that broke down and pissed off the damn dirty horsebrains.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Leftists also believe in the conspiracy theory that electric cars failed to beat out internal combustion engine cars in the free market, because the auto companies and oil companies conspired to ensure that they never become viable.

Some of that comes from the death of Stanley Meyer in 1998 who died of an aneurysm in a restaurant. His alleged last words were by his brother, who said that Meyer cried "They poisoned me" as he ran out of a restaurant; problem is, that's his words, not what witnesses actually saw, and a brain aneurysm doesn't really give you that reaction time.

The problem was, of course, the water fuel cell was complete bunk. It didn't work. It would've broke the laws of physics if it did work as purported. A court found him guilty of fraud in 1996. All the patents are freely available now, so if they actually did work they could be built.

I can almost excuse them for thinking that of the one Chevy put out in the early 2000s. It would be a very easy mistake for someone to make. It sounds kinda right if you don't know jack, it has that ring of truth. But I've heard these people seriously suggest that there were electric cars back in 1905 or so, and Big Oil killed them. Ignoring how nonsensical it is that big oil got its foot in the door before there were oil-consuming vehicles, theyre kinda right, but they need to read on to the part where those electric cars were connected to tram lines, making them useless outside of a city. If anyone remembers the weird bumper cars in the first Super Mario Bros movie, very similar to that.

The technology wasn't there for electric cars really until Tesla. (Even a big Tesla fan has compared early modern electric cars as "glorified golf carts"). GM put out a car in the late 1990s but they basically lost money on every car sold (at least $45k), which is a lot more than Tesla and they weren't getting free grants either.

 

[sum ting wong]

This person must be young because Florida has been 10-20 years from being underwater for at least the last 30 years. I remember hearing it when reduce-reuse-recycle was the slogan being thrown around constantly.

 

[LaxerBRO]

He has to walk down a waterfront path shaded by palm trees! The horror!



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If the City of Miami only had some sort of Dial A Ride service...

Oh Wait! Special Transportation Service (STS)

She works at the Port of Miami, BTW.

As to ways to get around other than a car...perhaps a ride on a trolley would be acceptable if Dial A Ride is not:

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Cars are the reason why people don't want to ride transit with "undesirables":

Societal attention on an issue does not mean it will be solved. The issues that plague public transit, including homeless, criminals, drug addicts, and mentally ill people may require solutions that not everyone is comfortable with. As an example, even if their was a societal awakening, do people have a right to fail?

It might be easy for a progressive to give an answer now, but changing their minds is only a sad Youtube video away. This is one of the reasons, I distanced myself from the progressive movement even as a libertarian. The irrational and emotional zeal on issues they claim to care about.

Just throwing out incredibly malformed ideas that could come back and bite them in the future. I remember when I warn about the Democrats Nuclear Option on Federal Court appointments only to be dismissed. When Roe and Casey was overturned, they cheered when the feds suggested that a pharmacists denial could be prosecuted. But they did not consider the implications of removing conscience objections could have on euthanasia.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

The technology wasn't there for electric cars really until Tesla. (Even a big Tesla fan has compared early modern electric cars as "glorified golf carts"). GM put out a car in the late 1990s but they basically lost money on every car sold (at least $45k), which is a lot more than Tesla and they weren't getting free grants either.

GM even tried selling the EV-1 in California only because of CA's subsidies for electric cars, and they still couldn't turn a profit, so they just said "fuck it" and recalled every leased car and crushed them rather than have to deal with maintaining them.

Whenever someone asks you why electric cars didn't take off until Tesla, just show them actual electric cars, like this one:

Electric cars were some of the earliest cars, but gasoline and diesel were just better. And we still haven't solved electric car problems for all markets. Good luck getting those Teslas to take off in places like Alaska where the practical capacity of the lithium-ion battery greatly diminishes in extremely cold weather. Weight is also an issue which, if every car (and truck) switches over to battery electric, could cause infrastructure problems.

 

[TowinKarz]

The conspiracy that "they" put the 300 mile per gallon carburetor in a safe so they could sell more gas never really died, it just changed shirts and became the conspiracy that the 3,000 mile per charge battery pack is being hidden in a safe too....

 

[Torque Wheeler]

I bike, run, walk or take the light rail every day in my Midwest city. I still have 5 gasoline-powered vehicles that I also use almost daily (sometimes several of them). I'm very happy that might piss some people off. Makes me wonder how I can piss them off more

 

[quaawaa]

I bike, run, walk or take the light rail every day in my Midwest city. I still have 5 gasoline-powered vehicles that I also use almost daily (sometimes several of them). I'm very happy that might piss some people off. Makes me wonder how I can piss them off more
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I hope that thing has hydraulics and that you drive it around at max height.

You need to piss them off in all three dimensions.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Same thing goes for apartment buildings, I can't tell you much about my neighbors other than one of them has a crying kid, meanwhile in the suburbs I know everyone on my street and would occasionally have BBQs or 4th of July parties.

I think the reason being is that when you're surrounded by fewer people, you're less likely to take them for granted, less overloaded, etc, and you have more time to develop meaningful friendships with them, or at least memorize their name.

You have less incentive to do that in a bughive, and you never feel more alone.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

If the City of Miami only had some sort of Dial A Ride service...

Oh Wait! Special Transportation Service (STS)

She works at the Port of Miami, BTW.

As to ways to get around other than a car...perhaps a ride on a trolley would be acceptable if Dial A Ride is not:

Given "disabled" can mean literally anything with these types of people, I'm not sure even if Dial-A-Ride is possible.

I really don't understand where these people get their sociology takes from. If anything being stuck on a busy subway or bus makes people anti-social as everyone just reads or plays on their phone until their stop. If society worked the way these guys say it works, NY wouldn't have a major crime epidemic and Japan and Korea wouldn't have a population crisis.

Yeah, in every single transit video good or bad, people mind their own business. New Yorkers on the subway won't even move unless someone is brandishing a gun. Someone could literally be beaten and raped right in front of them and they'd do nothing. A lot of that is just "city people are demoralized insects", doing something is more likely to get you arrested (like Daniel Penny) and good old bystander syndrome, but you could easily spin all that into "mass transit makes people sociopaths".

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The funniest thing about this is the best country in the world by far to be actually disabled (not muhmentals) is the USA. The ADA is so far beyond Europe it's not even close. We're so good at it that I get annoyed when a sidewalk doesn't have a ramp at the street.

Same thing goes for apartment buildings, I can't tell you much about my neighbors other than one of them has a crying kid, meanwhile in the suburbs I know everyone on my street and would occasionally have BBQs or 4th of July parties.

In a suburb you can present outside in your yard and available without encroaching on others. In an apartment building the only time you get to naturally encounter someone is on the elevator or in the hallway, quite a minimal time.

They recognize this and cry about "third places" but those always end up being self-selecting, which kills them. (Reddit is the perfect third place, mind you).

You also have the natural limits of humans - you can only recognize maybe a thousand people at a glance, in a suburb the people you see will be limited and you'll become familiar with your neighbors just from being outside.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

In a suburb you can present outside in your yard and available without encroaching on others.

Ironically, the garage was the main thing in the neighborhoods I lived in. Having the garage door open was basically a public invitation to come say hi.

 

[Misericordia]

I really don't understand where these people get their sociology takes from. If anything being stuck on a busy subway or bus makes people anti-social as everyone just reads or plays on their phone until their stop. If society worked the way these guys say it works, NY wouldn't have a major crime epidemic and Japan and Korea wouldn't have a population crisis.

When I moved to a downtown apartment in a major city naively thinking I would be able to make easy social connections, what I actually found was that everybody who wasn't a hustler was intensely asocial in public, because they were trying to avoid looking like a mark for the hustlers. Like I said before, their model for an ideal "urban" society is an exclusive university campus where all the undesirables are physically removed. But, uh, ACAB.

 

[quaawaa]

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[DoubleD]

Least delusional Youtube urbanist:

 

[quaawaa]

Least delusional Youtube urbanist:

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I'm more shocked that you managed to find a female urbanist.