Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

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  • This Year

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  • Whenever he issues an update to the sanctions

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RodgerDodger said:
The court has no problem with a death in the family, provided you ask for an extension when it happens, and before your deadline passes. But just blowing everything off, and then going "muh Grandpa died..." when you are the moving party? On top of everything else? Good luck with that.
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Good thing for Russ the court will just give him a whole new set of deadlines because it's all french to him!
 
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RodgerDodger said:
The court has no problem with a death in the family, provided you ask for an extension when it happens, and before your deadline passes. But just blowing everything off, and then going "muh Grandpa died..." when you are the moving party? On top of everything else? Good luck with that.
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That reminds me of the most spectactular incident during the Richard Liebowitz saga was him trying to hide behind his grandfather's death to excuse himself for missing court in a case he was the moving party.
 
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Null said:
It was strongly suspected he would file something as immediately as yesterday evening his time, but he might be really working this one out. Remains to be seen. I don't think "restraint" is in his vocab.
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I think what the funny in 24 hours was supposed to be was appeal either to an appeals court or the 10th circuit by Greer about the transfer order.

Even though I might be wrong I choose to bring it up because I think Greer needs/wants to do that anyway. I don't know very much about regular court and I know nothing about the appeals process. @Useful_Mistake has suggested that the transfer order is unappealable. I have no idea if that is true.

Looking at this from Greer's perspective there isn't really another option for him. He has to hope that this works out. He believes possibly correctly that he would lose in Florida. I'd suspect he would lose in Utah too, but he thinks he will. This in his mind is his last Hail Mary.

I am fairly certain that if Greer writes the filing it will be really funny to read. We will get all the anger and passive-aggressiveness he can muster, because he is extremely angry about the transfer, and we will get his desperation to maybe just maybe get his KF thread taken down AND we will get his complete lack of knowledge of the law combing to make one AMAZING filing.
 
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What I'm wondering is, if Null said to expect funny then does that mean that he had already recieved a copy of the funny and expected it to be in pacer by now? He can't share his copy and is limited in what he's allowed to disclose, but it's okay to hint that the funny will be publicly available in pacer.
 
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Betonhaus said:
What I'm wondering is, if Null said to expect funny then does that mean that he had already recieved a copy of the funny and expected it to be in pacer by now? He can't share his copy and is limited in what he's allowed to disclose, but it's okay to hint that the funny will be publicly available in pacer.
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He doesn't necessarily have a copy of any draft documents that Hardin is working on but it's safe to assume that he does talk to his lawyer, he obviously knows what is going on.
 
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Magnificent Penis said:
He doesn't necessarily have a copy of any draft documents that Hardin is working on but it's safe to assume that he does talk to his lawyer, he obviously knows what is going on.
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I mean does he receive copies of whatever the courts or Greer submit outside of the public pacer portal, and if so could he potentially receive them before they are posted on pacer?
 
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Betonhaus said:
I mean does he receive copies of whatever the courts or Greer submit outside of the public pacer portal, and if so could he potentially receive them before they are posted on pacer?
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If Greer were to email Hardin and the clerk at the same time then yes Null could know about a filing before the clerk uploads it. It seems that this was speculative not actual knowledge because it would have posted Friday when the clerk arrived.
 
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davids877 said:
If Greer were to email Hardin and the clerk at the same time then yes Null could know about a filing before the clerk uploads it. It seems that this was speculative not actual knowledge because it would have posted Friday when the clerk arrived.
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What are the odds that whatever Greer posted was so unconventional that the clerk (or clerk trainee) that was working that day decided that they needed a higher ranked clerk (or judge) to look at it and figure out what to do with it when they get back to work Monday? Such as it crossing a line and the clerks need the Judge to decide if Greer is in contempt of court? Granted that's grasping at straws.

Might also be that Greer sent the motions to Hardin but didn't send them to the clerk... either because he filed them incorrectly, seeing if Hardin will release the documents on this site and dox his account, or some other scheme that's not immediately clear.
 
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Betonhaus said:
What are the odds that whatever Greer posted was so unconventional that the clerk (or clerk trainee) that was working that day decided that they needed a higher ranked clerk to look at it and figure out what to do with it when they get back to work Monday? Such as it crossing a line and the clerks need the Judge to decide if Greer is in contempt of court? Granted that's grasping at straws.
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Absent an order from the judge the clerk is going to upload it, and we have not seen such an order. It could be marked not for public access but there would still likely be an entry saying a sealed document was uploaded.

The clerk in this case is like the guy in Office Space, they take the document from the insane retard and upload it to the electronic filing system, it's generally not their job to make any judgement unless maybe it's formatted wrong or written in crayon.
 
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Napoleon III said:
@Useful_Mistake has suggested that the transfer order is unappealable. I have no idea if that is true.
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They are, as a general rule, and as the leading treatise on federal procedure clearly states. As with most general rules, it's hedged with exceptions, although remarkably few. While unappealable, there are avenues to attack it collaterally or directly, such as by filing a motion in the court that actually has jurisdiction to re-transfer it, although again as a general rule, the 11th Circuit doesn't permit this. And again, there are possible exceptions.
 
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Well, today is Day 60.

Russell got his delay after all.

Since he was totally telling the truth, he should have that "significant funding" by now, and the DJF boys will be back on the case Monday morning.
 
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It's amazing that he hasn't filed a motion of Jus Explicandi and laid out his reasoning for why the court is wrong. Jus Explicandi is vital when one needs to make a position clear to the judge, so that he or she can rule in your favour because they now understand. Do it, Greer. Educite Caseo. Null will be devastated by your legal prowess.
 
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ScooterL said:
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Well, today is Day 60.

Russell got his delay after all.
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this has unironically made me start rooting for russ. i know it sucks for null and the website but how can you not give it to this guy? he's running circles around a real lawyer and someone with a six figure war chest, using nothing more than a shitty iphone and a google program. constantly proving kf's greatest legal minds wrong. this guy is like the rudy ruettiger of the legal scene. i hope he loses in the end, but i am enjoying the show.
 
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This is the case that doesn't end. Yes, it goes on and on, my friend! Some Dingus started filing it, not knowing what it was, and he'll continue filing it forever just because this is the case that doesn't end! Yes, it goes on and on, my friend! Some Dingus started filing it, not knowing what it was, and he'll continue filing it forever just because...
 
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AnOminous said:
, there are avenues to attack it collaterally or directly
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For example you could challenge the order before the case documents get transferred. As the 10th Circuit noted, lower courts often prefer to transfer it slowly for this reason (to be able to get relief either via direct attack, or timely request for writ of Mandamus). They don't have to do it, and Utah chose not too.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
For example you could challenge the order before the case documents get transferred. As the 10th Circuit noted, lower courts often prefer to transfer it slowly for this reason (to be able to get relief either via direct attack, or timely request for writ of Mandamus). They don't have to do it, and Utah chose not too.
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This feels like one of those issues that involves a lot of complex dry procedural rules that few people understand. This means I have to go IDK and give both possibilities.

Maybe the rules means exactly what you say it does and constrains the courts the way you say it does. The appeals court or the 10th circuit might be able to get away with ignoring that though. We should remember courts don't always follow the rules.

I bring all of this up to point out that I think Greer has some kind of a chance of getting what he wants.

This case has become a even more of a confused mess.

Let us hope for more deranged and amusing Greer filings soon.
 
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