Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Romulus augustulus]

I love the script Husqvarna stamped on their guns. way better than the block letters everyone uses today.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Feels like not-5.56 rounds for the AR-15 are a really dumb gamble as an investment with no sure answer.
I've been looking at alternatives since my first build; 6.5 Grendel is hen's teeth and I swear to god people are seeing mirages when they say it's plentiful in online stores, .270 Kurz6.8 SPC is not so great ballistically at long distances and is "dying" according to people who want 6.5 Grendel to be better, .224 Valkyrie was a flash in the pan that sucked, .300 and .458 HAM'R are just there to compete with more successful rounds of the same diameter, .350 Legend doesn't like magazines(.400 Legend seems like a complete meme), the .300 Blackout crowd can't determine if supersonic is even worth using or if subsonic rounds have icepick performance while being the only reasonable option, .450 Bushmaster has been trucking along as a caffeinated and rimless .45-70 as everything around it dies(still sucks because [relatively] rainbow ballistics), .458 SOCOM seems okay but got cucked by SAAMI so the only source is a guy in his basement pounding out handloads with a Lee Loader(Same applies to .50 Beowulf which only existed to send 30 round mags to Canada).

It's gotten bad enough that I've seen people hunting whitetail with 5.56 handloads, and now people are claiming it's perfectly fine to do so. Not arguing, since people hunt with handguns all the time, but it's weird.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

Feels like not-5.56 rounds for the AR-15 are a really dumb gamble as an investment with no sure answer.
I've been looking at alternatives since my first build; 6.5 Grendel is hen's teeth and I swear to god people are seeing mirages when they say it's plentiful in online stores, .270 Kurz6.8 SPC is not so great ballistically at long distances and is "dying" according to people who want 6.5 Grendel to be better, .224 Valkyrie was a flash in the pan that sucked, .300 and .458 HAM'R are just there to compete with more successful rounds of the same diameter, .350 Legend doesn't like magazines(.400 Legend seems like a complete meme), the .300 Blackout crowd can't determine if supersonic is even worth using or if subsonic rounds have icepick performance while being the only reasonable option, .450 Bushmaster has been trucking along as a caffeinated and rimless .45-70 as everything around it dies(still sucks because [relatively] rainbow ballistics), .458 SOCOM seems okay but got cucked by SAAMI so the only source is a guy in his basement pounding out handloads with a Lee Loader(Same applies to .50 Beowulf which only existed to send 30 round mags to Canada).

It's gotten bad enough that I've seen people hunting whitetail with 5.56 handloads, and now people are claiming it's perfectly fine to do so. Not arguing, since people hunt with handguns all the time, but it's weird.

I think it's just hard for any non-military cartridge to gain a significant foothold. You need the huge production to make the ammo more available. 6.5 Grendel is a sad one, since it has gotten some use in the Serbian military and VEPR was working on a rifle with swappable barrels in .366, 7.62x39, and 6.5 Grendel. The Russians cranking out cheap 6.5 would have been fantastic.

I think there's also the issue of the newer rounds just duplicating existing rounds. If you hunt or carry .357, are you really going to be interested in another round that almost reaches that level of performance? My dad hunts with a .45-70 lever-action, why add even more expense?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I think it's just hard for any non-military cartridge to gain a significant foothold
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I think there's also the issue of the newer rounds just duplicating existing rounds

It's definitely a combination of that and more, including being limited by size(and magazine design since nobody makes a side-loading upper) as well as the big mistake of overestimating the power of brand loyalty and hype - I blame .224 Valkyrie for this since they fudged their numbers so badly - and then there's also SAAMI being highly suspect in their acknowledgement of new chamberings but that's another rabbit hole I've only been vaguely introduced to.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

It's definitely a combination of that and more, including being limited by size(and magazine design since nobody makes a side-loading upper) as well as the big mistake of overestimating the power of brand loyalty and hype - I blame .224 Valkyrie for this since they fudged their numbers so badly - and then there's also SAAMI being highly suspect in their acknowledgement of new chamberings but that's another rabbit hole I've only been vaguely introduced to.

Yeah, SAAMI does play a roll in all that. I keep a bit of an eye on 8.6 Blackout, because it's an interesting concept that's not just trying to duplicate existing performance, but I don't think it's SAAMI accepted yet, so it's expensive to get into for something that's a simply .308 barrel swap. Also because it's made by Q and their mark up is worse than FNs or HKs.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

8.6 Blackout

That leads into the other can of worms in the AR-10, that's an even worse brand-based hellscape where, yes, lots of proprietary parts but they all suck and have fun getting it to work but the ammo is good most of the time
also "Here's another not-.308 you've got to buy because we sure nailed it this time around, probably" t. Hornady, releasing yet another Creedmoor caliber that will totally not trip you up when buying ammo/components off the shelf

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

That leads into the other can of worms in the AR-10, that's an even worse brand-based hellscape where, yes, lots of proprietary parts but they all suck and have fun getting it to work but the ammo is good most of the time
also "Here's another not-.308 you've got to buy because we sure nailed it this time around, probably" t. Hornady, releasing yet another Creedmoor caliber that will totally not trip you up when buying ammo/components off the shelf

Oh yeah and the firearms manufacturers won't just put their heads together and standardize the poor thing. I've shot AR-10s and like them, but the whole "Which brand does this go with" is annoying.

Is that the 6mm Creedmore, slightly better performance than the existing .243?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Is that the 6mm Creedmore, slightly better performance than the existing .243?

I just recently saw it and then heard it being shilled, saw it's .243 that fits AR-10 mags for competition shooters that will inevitably end up being chambered in some guy's 6.5 because it looks the same and the naming convention is stupidly close

308 - 6.5 CM - 6 CM

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I just recently saw it and then heard it being shilled, saw it's .243 that fits AR-10 mags for competition shooters that will inevitably end up being chambered in some guy's 6.5 because it looks the same and the naming convention is stupidly close
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308 - 6.5 CM - 6 CM

but .243 already fits AR10 mags? or am i missing something?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

but .243 already fits AR10 mags? or am i missing something?

Same problem as .350 Legend in that it isn't particularly reliable, or at least that's what is stated by those behind 6mm Creedmoor.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

It's gotten bad enough that I've seen people hunting whitetail with 5.56 handloads, and now people are claiming it's perfectly fine to do so.

70 grain Nosler will dumpster any whitetail I send it at. 10 years ago, there were still several states where hunting deer with a .243 was illegal, because they had a 25 caliber minimum.

I just recently saw it and then heard it being shilled, saw it's .243 that fits AR-10 mags for competition shooters that will inevitably end up being chambered in some guy's 6.5 because it looks the same and the naming convention is stupidly close

There are so many .308 based chamberings one more is not going to magically make this a problem. My sister has a .243, my mom has .260, and I bought a 7mm-08 because the dealer wanted it gone. Loose ammo always gets the headstamp checked.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

Yeah, SAAMI does play a roll in all that. I keep a bit of an eye on 8.6 Blackout, because it's an interesting concept that's not just trying to duplicate existing performance, but I don't think it's SAAMI accepted yet, so it's expensive to get into for something that's a simply .308 barrel swap. Also because it's made by Q and their mark up is worse than FNs or HKs.

Now there's .338 Spectre which I think is maybe a necked 10mm that takes 8.6 bullets. Basically a subsonic only version of 8.6, which is the main reason people are even interested in 8.6. The cool thing with .338 Spectre is that it fits in the AR-15, not a heavy ass AR-10 or medium action bolt gun.

I'm pretty sure the deal with 6mm Sneedmore is that it is basically a .243, but with a faster twist rate for heavier boolets. This is what a lot of "new" calibers are rn, like I think the .22 Sneed is supposed to replace the .22-250 because the guns that will be built for it are able to stabilize something heavier than what normal .22-250 is. You could buy a faster twist barrel chambered in your old fudd caliber and shoot weighty pills. The reason that calibers aren't normally sold with a huge variance in barrel twist is that there's a 50/50 chance you'll get shit accuracy unless you know the boolet weight and twist rate, if you're LGS even stocks the weight you need. Better just to shoot black powder like a felon.

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

A pawn shop near me had a 1939 vintage box of Breda 30 LMG 20 round stripper clips with their ammo. Only instead of 6.5 Carcano, these were in 7.35 Carcano which is cool because not many Breda 30's were chambered in that round.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

70 grain Nosler will dumpster any whitetail I send it at. 10 years ago, there were still several states where hunting deer with a .243 was illegal, because they had a 25 caliber minimum.

There are so many .308 based chamberings one more is not going to magically make this a problem. My sister has a .243, my mom has .260, and I bought a 7mm-08 because the dealer wanted it gone. Loose ammo always gets the headstamp checked.

.25-20 used to be a very popular white tail round. 25-20 is .22 mag tier, maybe even less because most loadings today are downloaded to be easier on older guns.

all it comes down to is how good a shot you are, what range you intend to shoot at and how far you are willing to track the deer. .375 H&H will drop a whitetail where it stands and doesn't do as much damage to the animal as 270 hollow point or similar.

 

[Rainbow Idiot]

Near where I am a fair number of the old timers swear by 25-06 for whitetail and a lot of them have one or two old rifles chambered for it. I got 3 of them talking over and off of each other and despite the obvious bs hunting tales the common story was heart or near spine would drop a deer quickly and that it was very easy to shoot due to a flat trajectory.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

My dad did a no scope texas heart shot on a deer with his ghetto New England Firearms break barrel and some .223 FMJ. He didn't know any better since he was in his early 20s but he said the thing dropped right there and that was that. Said he shot while it was in the air running away, so it was the only shot he could take.
Also know a dude who swears by 45gr .22-250 varmint loads for deer because "they blow a big ass chunk out of the thing". Told him he was a dumbass and he should buy some copper monos or something not jank as hell, but I'm pretty sure he's sticking with losing a football sized bit of shoulder meat.

On a different note, managed to cop a Buckmark parts kit off MOTHERFUCKING GUNBROKER for $130. Ended up at $150 because they're kikes, but oh well. Still beats wasting $40 on FFL fees and having to deal with them.

 

[The Dude]

Oh yeah and the firearms manufacturers won't just put their heads together and standardize the poor thing. I've shot AR-10s and like them, but the whole "Which brand does this go with" is annoying.

Is that the 6mm Creedmore, slightly better performance than the existing .243?

That's one of the things that I really like about the Lewis Machine and Tool MWS308: it's super easy to swap calibers if you want since you just undo two torque screws and pull the barrel out, insert the new barrel and tighten the bolts back to their torque setting. LMT offers barrels in pretty much any caliber based on .308 Win. And since they are a military supplier, getting spare parts for their rifles is quick and easy.

 

[George Lucas]

A design flaw of the P320 has been reported on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SigSauer/comments/1bxtcds/possible_cause_for_p320_accidental_discharges/

In order to engage the failure mode you must remove the firearm’s slide assembly and then replace the slide assembly without engaging the slide lock. This requires holding the slide back while resetting the takedown lever which is out of compliance of the manual of arms.

In this failure mode, the trigger can be engaged without contact by applying a small amount of inertia to the firearm.

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

When the fuck will .223 reach sub 40cpr again

 

[DocAwe]

When the fuck will .223 reach sub 40cpr again

When everyone stops buying in a panic and it sits on the shelf instead of flying off.
Or sanctions on Russian made ammo are lifted.