US Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable

Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable




PHOENIX — The Arizona Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that a 160-year-old near-total abortion ban still on the books in the state is enforceable, a bombshell decision that adds the state to the growing lists of places where abortion care is effectively banned.

The ruling allows an 1864 law in Arizona to stand that made abortion a a felony punishable by two to five years in prison for anyone who performs or helps a woman obtain one.

The law — which was codified again in 1901, and once again in 1913, after Arizona became a state — included an exception to save the woman’s life.

That Civil War-era law — enacted a half-century before Arizona even gained statehood — was never repealed and an appellate court ruled last year that it could remain on the books as long as it was “harmonized” with the 2022 law, leading to substantial confusion in Arizona regarding exactly when during a pregnancy abortion was outlawed.

The decision — which could shutter abortion clinics in the state — effectively undoes a lower court’s ruling that stated that a more recent 15-week ban from March 2022 superseded the 1864 law.

In a 4-2 ruling, the court’s majority concluded that the 15-week ban “does not create a right to, or otherwise provide independent statutory authority for, an abortion that repeals or restricts” the Civil War-era ban “but rather is predicated entirely on the existence of a federal constitutional right to an abortion since disclaimed” by the 2022 Dobbs decision that overturned Roe v. Wade.

“Absent the federal constitutional abortion right, and because” the 2022 law does not independently authorize abortion, there is no provision in federal or state law prohibiting” the 1864 ban.

They added, that the ban “is now enforceable.”

Tuesday’s ruling marks the latest chapter in a decades-long saga of litigation in the battleground state over abortion rights.

Reproductive rights groups had sued to overturn the 19th century law in 1971.

But when the Roe decision came down in 1973, state court ruled against those groups and placed an injunction on the 1864 ban that remained in effect until the Dobbs decision.

In March 2022, Republican lawmakers in the state enacted the 15-week trigger ban, which, months later — after the Dobbs decision — snapped into effect. The law makes exceptions for medical emergencies but not for rape or incest.

Litigation resumed after that decision as lawmakers on both sides of the issues sought clarity on whether to enforce the 1864 near-total ban or the 2022 15-week ban.

A state appellate initially court ruled that both the 1864 and 2022 laws could eventually be “harmonized,” but also said that the 15-week ban superseded the near-total abortion ban and put on hold large parts of the older law.

But the issue could soon be in the hands of voters. Abortion rights groups in the state are likely to succeed in their goal of putting a proposed constitutional amendment on the November 2024 ballot that would create a “fundamental right” to receive abortion care up until fetal viability, or about the 24th week of pregnancy.

If voters approved the ballot measure, it would effectively undo the 1864 ban that now remains law in the state. it would bar the state from restricting abortion care in situations where the health or life of the pregnant person is at risk after the point of viability, according to the treating health care professional.

The ballot effort is one of at least 11 across the country that seek to put the issue directly in the hands of voters — a move that has the potential to significantly boost turnout for Democratic candidates emphasizing the issue.

In 2024, that could factor heavily into the outcome of both the presidential and U.S. Senate races in Arizona. President Joe Biden, whose campaign is leaning heavily into reproductive rights, won the state by just over 10,000 votes four years ago. And the Senate race features a tough battle to fill the seat held by the retiring independent Sen. Krysten Sinema, I-Ariz., between Democrat Ruben Gallego and Republican Kari Lake.

During her unsuccessful 2022 run for governor in Arizona, Lake said she supported the 1864 law, calling it “a great law that’s already on the books.” But Lake now says she opposes the 1864 law, as well as a federal abortion ban, while also acknowledging that her own views regarding state policy conflict with some voters’ preferences.

Gallego, who is backed by several reproductive rights groups, has said he supports the ballot measure. As a member of the U.S. House, he is among the co-sponsors of the Women’s Health Protection Act, which would create federal abortion protections.

The ruling Tuesday — the second in a swing state on the issue in as many weeks — further highlights the already prominent role abortion rights will play in Arizona and across the country.

Last week, the Florida Supreme Court upheld a 15-week ban on abortion in the state, which effectively meant that a six-week abortion ban, with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the woman, that Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law last year will take effect. The state's high court also allowed a proposed amendment that would enshrine abortion protections in the state constitution to appear on the November ballot.

Tuesday’s decision sent shockwaves through the reproductive rights community in Arizona and nationally, though the decision wasn’t entirely unexpected. All seven justices on the Arizona Supreme Court were appointed by Republican governors, and during opening arguments in December, they aggressively, but civilly, quizzed attorneys on both sides about the fact that the 15-week ban enacted last year did not feature any language making clear whether it was designed to repeal or replace the 1864 ban.

Only six justices participated in Tuesday’s decision, however, after Justice Bill Montgomery — who previously accused Planned Parenthood of practicing “generational genocide” — recused himself. (The court’s chief justice did not appoint another judge to take the spot, which is an option under Arizona law).

The abortion landscape in Arizona has been uniquely confusing since Roe v. Wade was overturned.

While the 1864 law had been on hold after the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe decision, then-Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich, a Republican, successfully sued to have that injunction lifted following the overturning of Roe, putting the ban back into effect — though a higher court put that ruling on hold.

But after Democrat Kris Mayes succeeded Brnovich as attorney general, she announced that she would not enforce the 1864 ban.

That led to suits from anti-abortion groups seeking enforcement of the ban, which ultimately led to the case making its way up to the state Supreme Court.
 
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What if the husband permits it? Have you considered that there are men who are pro-choice?

I find it funny how you’re all jumping immediately on women being whores for wanting an abortion. Wonder why that is.

Any man who is willing to kill his own genetics is not a man. Simple as.

In the end though, outside of rape, women are the gatekeeper when it comes to sex. It's seriously that simple. Use protection or live with the ramifications of your actions.
 
@Android raptor think you need to walk away from the computer, you appear to be mad at the internet


If you can't accept that a person of color who is sure as hell smarter than your pale ass made the right call, you need to take your racist ass outta the thread

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it's just now we have solutions that don't involve suffocating a newborn or chucking it in a pile of manure.
It's still a mother murdering her own child, her own infant aged child, long before the child had any opportunities to do something wrong. It's still infanticide, there is no difference'.

The answer to the riddle was abstinence. If you stop having sex with people, you also won't get pregnant. That's why "accidents" aren't really accidents either, nobody trips and falls in such a way that he lands with his penis inside a woman's vagina, then back out, then back in rinse and repeat. There's obviously a conscious decision involved with having sex.
Murdering kids is what happens when they can't be aborted as embryos.
You're murdering a kid in both cases. There is no difference. The child is a human being. Stop doing mental gymnastics to rationalize how below this or that age a child stops being a human being, just accept that it is one. Just accept that what you want is to kill children, so we can skip the bullshit pretenses.

And yes, once you admit to it, the abortion debate can be resolved, permanently.

Just legalize murder.

The pro abortion people want killing fetuses to be legal but there's this inconvenience that gets in the way called 'the right to live'. Every human has a right to live and killing them outside of self-defense makes you a murderer. So you people come up with all kinds of excuses and rationalization to argue that an unborn child is not a human being, even though you know that it is. If killing people without a reason becomes legal, you don't need all this "unborn children aren't" people nonsense, the entire debate evaporates.

The problem that gets in your way is the right to live. Instead of creating workarounds to the problem, just abolish it directly.
 
It's still a mother murdering her own child, her own infant aged child, long before the child had any opportunities to do something wrong. It's still infanticide, there is no difference'.

The answer to the riddle was abstinence. If you stop having sex with people, you also won't get pregnant. That's why "accidents" aren't really accidents either, nobody trips and falls in such a way that he lands with his penis inside a woman's vagina, then back out, then back in rinse and repeat. There's obviously a conscious decision involved with having sex.

You're murdering a kid in both cases. There is no difference. The child is a human being. Stop doing mental gymnastics to rationalize how below this or that age a child stops being a human being, just accept that it is one. Just accept that what you want is to kill children, so we can skip the bullshit pretenses.

And yes, once you admit to it, the abortion debate can be resolved, permanently.

Just legalize murder.

The pro abortion people want killing fetuses to be legal but there's this inconvenience that gets in the way called 'the right to live'. Every human has a right to live and killing them outside of self-defense makes you a murderer. So you people come up with all kinds of excuses and rationalization to argue that an unborn child is not a human being, even though you know that it is. If killing people without a reason becomes legal, you don't need all this "unborn children aren't" people nonsense, the entire debate evaporates.
Aren't you the same dude that tried to defend a 14 year-old child being beaten into a coma because she totally must have been dressed slutty and deserved it?
 
Since you are all screaming about baby killing, are any of you supportive of the state or the government providing financial help to women who aren’t able to care of their newborn babies? Or food? Or any kind of assistance?

Or are y’all retarded about that as well?
 
I guess women who find out their fetus is FUBAR at the 20wk scan are shit outta luck
since i wasn't able to find an existing map for this (gee i wonder why), here is europe and the abortion limits for each country according to wikipedia. a 15 week abortion limit is actually more permissive than most of europe. i don't seem to hear about mass casualties because of their abortion laws

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Since you are all screaming about baby killing, are any of you supportive of the state or the government providing financial help to women who aren’t able to care of their newborn babies? Or food? Or any kind of assistance?

Or are y’all retarded about that as well?
To say nothing about the fact that IVF clinics destroy way more embryos than abortion does, so if you think embryos are babies you should be against IVF above all else.
 
Since you are all screaming about baby killing, are any of you supportive of the state or the government providing financial help to women who aren’t able to care of their newborn babies? Or food? Or any kind of assistance?

Or are y’all retarded about that as well?
I'm totally supportive of government assistance to families.
 
since i wasn't able to find an existing map for this (gee i wonder why), here is europe and the abortion limits for each country according to wikipedia. a 15 week abortion limit is actually more permissive than most of europe. i don't seem to hear about mass casualties because of their abortion laws

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Weird because I know I've heard about horrors resulting from Polands ban, and 9 year-olds being forced to give birth in Malta.

To say nothing of all the fucked up shit that happened as a result of Romanias ban in the 70s and 80s.
 
Since you are all screaming about baby killing, are any of you supportive of the state or the government providing financial help to women who aren’t able to care of their newborn babies? Or food? Or any kind of assistance?

Or are y’all retarded about that as well?
Unfortunately for us the government is giving our tac dollars to brown people who are hopping the boarder instead of securing the existence of our people and a future for white children

I've been told this concept is called a genocide of sum sort
 
Since you are all screaming about baby killing, are any of you supportive of the state or the government providing financial help to women who aren’t able to care of their newborn babies? Or food? Or any kind of assistance?

Or are y’all retarded about that as well?
If women can't independently deal with the consequences of their actions should they be allowed to make significant decisions?
 
Married women who don't want any more kids shouldn't have sex with their husbands?
Married women want to have sex with their husbands?
Since you are all screaming about baby killing, are any of you supportive of the state or the government providing financial help to women who aren’t able to care of their newborn babies? Or food? Or any kind of assistance?

Or are y’all retarded about that as well?
No, that’s what churches are for.
 
Weird because I know I've heard about horrors resulting from Polands ban, and 9 year-olds being forced to give birth in Malta.

To say nothing of all the fucked up shit that happened as a result of Romanias ban in the 70s and 80s.
those are both places where elective abortions are illegal. i'm talking about places where there's a 10-15 week limit on when you can do an elective abortion. those are not the same
 
Since you are all screaming about baby killing, are any of you supportive of the state or the government providing financial help to women who aren’t able to care of their newborn babies? Or food? Or any kind of assistance?

Or are y’all retarded about that as well?
Already expected to for every Pedro, Jamal and Mohammed that libshit assholes keep flooding into the country.
 
they're actually underrepresented if anything. They're just overrepresented on FauxNews or Epoch Times or whatever right wing horseshit site you exclusively get news from, because those sites only cover LGBTQ pedos (and say nothing about the thousands of youth pastors busted yearly for diddling little girls, or churches that groom them to be in relationships with adult men and shit like that).

Not Texas, Ohio, or Alabama. Even women with life-threatening conditions like sepsis and ectopic pregnancies have been denied abortions in those states.
according to CNN, the texas lady was granted an abortion in the end because her life was threatened. From the article it seems like the hospital is incompetent because it says she was so sick antibiotics couldn't help her but then says a last minute antibiotic IV cured her. in this NPR article it definitely seems like the hospital fucked up.
The next day, a Thursday, she started throwing up. But when she called, they told her that nausea and vomiting weren't among the symptoms they were looking for.

On Friday, when she woke up, she was still passing blood and discharge, still feeling sick, and feeling strange things in her uterus.

Ultimately, Texas as an abortion exception for life threatening situation.
 
If women can't independently deal with the consequences of their actions should they be allowed to make significant decisions?
Ahh so you’re for the state deciding on whether a woman can have an abortion but you’re against said state helping that woman otherwise?

How very Republican of you.
Already expected to for every Pedro, Jamal and Mohammed that libshit assholes keep flooding into the country.
are you against these ethnic groups getting abortions, too?
 
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