Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Fapcop]

Calm down, you herd what the man said about you guys needing labour.
Take the hint.
It's gulag time

They’ll deal with them soon enough anyways.

Western countries are starting to cut the gibs, the latest one is Poland.

So it’s either back to the failstate for the Ukrainians or Russia. Where unemployment right now btw is below 3%.

Decision time @snov ! Uzbeks or Tajik “guest workers” or all the kholkhols who went to Germany, Poland and Denmark looking for freebies.

Calm down, you herd what the man said about you guys needing labour.
Take the hint.
It's gulag time

While I strongly support reeducation through work and hard prison regime for criminals and traitors, there are some very good arguments against gulags.

Mainly that they were inefficient as heck and cost a whole bunch of money to run.

If you’re ever looking for an interesting story, check out Naftali Frenkel: The gulag inmate who wrote some REALLY good suggestions in his gulags “complaints” mailbox, got hauled to Moscow to implement them, and ended up running the whole Gulag complex.

Russian/Soviet history is the best and full of wild stories like that.

 

[Susanna]

Decision time @snov ! Uzbeks or Tajik “guest workers” or all the kholkhols who went to Germany, Poland and Denmark looking for freebies.

Uzbeks and tajiks.
I despise nazis, and I won’t let you make me a murderer or slaver. That’s your lot’s lot.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Ah yes, the Wagner coup….

If you needed more proof that our news media and so called experts are goddamned retarded, look no further.

They breathlessly reported on the entire affair as if there was a serious chance that Putin would be hung by the mutineers, and Prigozhin just waltz into the kremlin, take the presidential ring and sit down, feet up on the presidential desk and announce “I ze president NOW!”

Remember how the entire propaganda apparatus suddenly went Pro-Wagner overnight? After months of calling them subhuman butchers.

 

[Fapcop]

Remember how the entire propaganda apparatus suddenly went Pro-Wagner overnight? After months of calling them subhuman butchers.

You mean kinda like all the Russian far right figures, like Navalny, and skinheads who recently got rehabilitated as “dissidents” and “opposition”?

What I kinda like about Russian propaganda is that they don’t have any pretenses. They’ll say: “Hey here’s our side of the story!”

Western propaganda, our news channels, have the audacity to tell you: “Here’s the god to honest truth, trust us!”

And then they’ll say the complete opposite the next week 1984 style, and pretend that last week never happened.

Ffs, you had The Guardian and BBC SCRUB articles about Azov and other Ukrainian neo Nazis from their site.

 

[Uncle Holter]

While I strongly support reeducation through work and hard prison regime for criminals and traitors, there are some very good arguments against gulags.

Mainly that they were inefficient as heck and cost a whole bunch of money to run.

If you’re ever looking for an interesting story, check out Naftali Frenkel: The gulag inmate who wrote some REALLY good suggestions in his gulags “complaints” mailbox, got hauled to Moscow to implement them, and ended up running the whole Gulag complex.

Russian/Soviet history is the best and full of wild stories like that.

I know, I was mostly just shitposting.

 

[Maurice Maine]

Don't know if this was posted here but guy brags about helping to kill 10 people.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

I'd definitely collaborate with Russians instead of this woke regime currently in power.

I eagerly await a bunch of adidas tracksuit heavily accented bros dropping off pallets of automatic AKs and 7.62x39 when the American civil war breaks out. I'll gladly use Ivans loot drops to kill federal *redacted* and ethnically cleanse the *redacted*.

 

[BradCarter]

I eagerly await a bunch of adidas tracksuit heavily accented bros dropping off pallets of automatic AKs and 7.62x39 when the American civil war breaks out. I'll gladly use Ivans loot drops to kill federal *redacted* and ethnically cleanse the *redacted*.

Killing federal(ly protected geese) to ethnically cleanse the bird population is a felony making your dreams dangerously close to a fed post sir.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Killing federal(ly protected geese) to ethnically cleanse the bird population is a felony making your dreams dangerously close to a fed post sir.

I have a real avian hateboner, I'm sorry

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

I eagerly await a bunch of adidas tracksuit heavily accented bros dropping off pallets of automatic AKs and 7.62x39 when the American civil war breaks out. I'll gladly use Ivans loot drops to kill federal *redacted* and ethnically cleanse the *redacted*.

I honestly don't know that we'd need the AKs, PSA's AK have reached Romanian WASR level I've heard and their AK-105 is surprisingly good, never mind the amounts we already have. Pallets of ammo though, if the Russians want to misplace some pallets at my address, I wouldn't complain.

I am sad the Russians, or anyone but one guy on youtube, never though to make a 7.62x25 AK, instead of the 9x19 versions. That's a mean little pistol round.

 

[Sneed S. McSneedensen]

Is it true that Ukraine is getting utterly fucking humiliated and they should just commit mass seppuku just to save themselves the embarrassment of defeat on the battlefield?

 

[Fapcop]

I honestly don't know that we'd need the AKs, PSA's AK have reached Romanian WASR level I've heard and their AK-105 is surprisingly good, never mind the amounts we already have. Pallets of ammo though, if the Russians want to misplace some pallets at my address, I wouldn't complain.

I am sad the Russians, or anyone but one guy on youtube, never though to make a 7.62x25 AK, instead of the 9x19 versions. That's a mean little pistol round.

They have their new suppressed assault rifle that runs a subsonic 9x39mm cartridge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalashnikov_Concern_AMB-17

I bet you that provides a nice kick with little recoil.

Apparently some of them have been put to use in the SMO and with Rosgvardiya units as a test run.

Also comes with an armor piercing subsonic cartridge which would probably be really good against federally protected species of geese and other avian threats.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

They have their new suppressed assault rifle that runs a subsonic 9x39mm cartridge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalashnikov_Concern_AMB-17

I bet you that provides a nice kick with little recoil.

Apparently some of them have been put to use in the SMO and with Rosgvardiya units as a test run.

Also comes with an armor piercing subsonic cartridge which would probably be really good against federally protected species of geese and other avian threats.

Before all this kicked off, there were a few companies here looking to make AR-15 uppers that could run 9x39, but with the import bans and sanctions, I don't think they ever really got off the ground. I'm glad to see Russia making newer guns for it, the VAL and VSS are a bit long in the tooth, could use more modern suppressor design. Brandon Herrera had a VSS that was put together from a parts kits, but they modernized the suppressor, since they had to make their own. Very quiet gun.

 

[Ashkenazi Porn Actress]

This conflict has rekindled the debate about mandatory military service in Germany again.

Which is mostly a farce and election bait for a bunch of boomers anyway. The whole draft apparatus was dismantled and there isn't even enough room to house all the prospective draftees. A lot of the old barracks, especially those built before WW2 have been sold and converted into luxury housing for starters.
The simple reality is that they wanted a volunteer, quasi-mercenary force who'd act as second rate auxiliaries for 'Murican adventures in various sandboxes and they got it. And now their lords and masters have pretensions about repeating Barbarossa and they're wholly unprepared.

 

[Betonhaus]

Is it true that Ukraine is getting utterly fucking humiliated and they should just commit mass seppuku just to save themselves the embarrassment of defeat on the battlefield?

They have the same immunity to humiliation as a furry diaper fetishist at full display at a comic convention.

 

[Fapcop]

SORRY! ALL OUT OF WONDERWEAPONS!

New footage out of Odessa shows the latest equipment transferred to Ukraine…



If you’re wondering “WHAT THE F IS THAT?!” You’re likely not the only one.

The answer is, that this is a Newa.

A “modernized” Polish version of the venerable old SA3 SAM missile that was originally introduced in…. 1961.

This is a sorta newer version though, since Poland took their ancient missiles and kinda, sorta modernized it back in 2001 (Well, as much as you can modernize a 50 year old missile) and stuck it on some equally ancient T54 tank chassis.

So yes, it’s an over 20 year old “modernization” of a missile older than the six day war. And Poland shipped them four of them!

Apparently without much effect, since we just yesterday saw Russian fighter bombers flying over Chasov Yar as if there’s no such thing as a SAM missile.

 

[Butterschmalz]

Uzbeks and tajiks.
I despise nazis, and I won’t let you make me a murderer or slaver. That’s your lot’s lot.

Cool Hitler does not approve.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Unironically yes. The weakness of the American Right in particular is their absolute arrogance when it comes to East Asia.

American right wing filled with cucks that want to stop Putin even if Ukraine dies.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Apparently without much effect, since we just yesterday saw Russian fighter bombers flying over Chasov Yar as if there’s no such thing as a SAM missile.

I think there's enough evidence at this point to say Ukraine has had a big issue with early warning systems since the beginning of the war. Their radar game really sucks. They appear to have the weapons to knock stuff out of the sky, they just can't see the shit that's already there.

 

[Fapcop]

SMO… What’s next?

Spring is coming, and so is the Russian army that reportedly has trained hundreds of thousands of people since last year.

Ukraine is running out reserves and weapons, which brings up a very good question: Is there a Russian offensive coming, and what is it aimed at? Kiev? Odessa? Kharkov?

Kharkov is an obvious choice. It’s a few dozen miles from the border, a city of over a million, many pro Russian Ukrainians and is the major metropolis of the region.

Alas, taking or even just bypassing the city and putting it under siege would cost many Russian and civilian lives.

So what about Odessa? Recently Russia. Troops have been practicing river crossings… Could this ancient, Russian city be the target? Unfortunately, many of the disadvantages that go for Kharkov also go for Odessa.

Instead many in the Russian mil blog sphere have been talking about an entirely different target…

CHERNIGOV!

Here butchered as Chiiirnniiyiiv or something like that.


It’s a city of a few hundred thousand, fairly close to Kiev and very close to both the Russian and Belarus border.

Taking Chernigov wouldn’t just be easier, the city isn’t nearly as big nor fortified, it would also move possible Ukrainian attacks away from the Russian border.

Indeed, it’s close enough to Kiev, that the Zelensky regimes forces and logistical networks inside Kiev could be seriously threatened not just with drones but also artillery.

Taking Chernigov would also seriously threaten Kiev, in a way so that the regime could only reply in one way. Namely this:


They would have to move the limited resources their army still has to Kiev and across the Dniepr.

Defense of Kharkov and the other population centers in Eastern Ukraine would have to be abandoned, in order to assure that Kiev doesn’t fall.

Yes, we’d all like to see a Bagration-style blitzkrieg that would roll up all the remaining kholkhols and see a victory parade in Kiev, but without an army of over a million, and without risking big casualties, that just isn’t likely to happen.
Especially since this is a fundamentally different kind of war, where your opponent sees everything that’s going on at all times.

So Chernigov it may be.