Red Letter Media

[Judge Holden]

Don't take me back to a time when I had hope; retroactively asserting cynicism of my expectations for post-Force Awakens media is a cope for the fact that I once had any expectation of good long-term outcomes.

If I can just imagine things were always clearly destined to be shit, dealing with current-day shit being shit isn't so demoralizing.

It seems genuinely surreal reading some of my old posts here about various franchises I was hyped for.

Back when I still ran with the basic axiom that the rights holders of these franchises would not willingly torch the shit they depended on for long term comfortable employment/advancement solely to pander to the most obnoxious fringes of screaming retards on social media thus gain five minutes of asspats for the writing interns, or solely to stoke the ego of some preening autist in the director/producer chair who wants to get attention with muh-deconstruction gimmicks, and that anyone who tried pushing in that direction would be kicked down by the board of directors or stockholders or whatnot.

Honestly my most cynical expectation at the time was that all these franchises would devolve into beige and bloated MCU whales and wind up boring me out of any investment in them, and this was definitely what those in the tippy-top offices behind these franchises wanted...

...its just they seemed almost intent on delegating the execution down to the absolute cheapest, most immature, most venal, and most downright fucking inept retards in the entire industry. The kind of specimens who would willingly torpedo short term, medium term, and long term interests and objectives for the smallest chance some cringe fucking line or visual or casting that aligns with currentsecond woke twitter vogue which they forced in might "go viral" and vicariously earn them gorillions of updoots, all while delivering the absolute shittest quality work in whatever department they are assigned. All of which being given the big thumbs up by execs who wanted to ensure their underlings were slavishly obedient to their directives and easily replaceable should they get any ideas that conflicted with the charts their legion of consultants showed them.

 

[indomitable snowman]

I can't seem to find the clip, but there was one episode of Star Trek about Barclay's holodeck addiction where he's the swashbuckling hero that gets the TNG waifus while Geordi, Picard, and Riker all have to be derpy nerds. At one point, Musketeer Riker said, "Am I late?! Did I miss the fight?!" That's the energy of this review. It's way too late in the Youtube algorithm to push Andor reviews and we all know they don't care about Star Wars anyways. I'm more mad at them for their schizo Picard reviews because they actually are TNG connoisseurs.

I got you:

https://youtu.be/r9e-AogvdLo?t=77

 

[Introvertigo]

I know this is three days late, but new Noiselund video.

 

[Flexo]

eh thats the thing with some media. the core of the story is interesting, but the way it was told is so messy and bloated that the resulting abortion makes you grieve because it could have been told better.

Ah yes. The "Voyager" effect.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

 

[Flexo]

Wow that subverted my expectations. What a twist ending!

 

[SomethingProblematic]

Actually a nice looking animation.

 

[Introvertigo]

https://www.twitter.com/NicoColaleo/status/1777508744316031047

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

aint gonna lie, I want to see this made into an actual movie. I welcome the absurdity of it when compared to whatever the fuck Hollywood is doing now. Also, hats off to the animator.

 

[Armageddon]

https://www.twitter.com/NicoColaleo/status/1777508744316031047

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This shit just ain't working. I am getting second hand embarrassment from how desperate mike is trying to make something "successful" to finally get him into Jewllywood.
The writing is on the wall for the future of this channel is all I'm saying..

 

[TVB]

This shit just ain't working. I am getting second hand embarrassment from how desperate mike is trying to make something "successful" to finally get him into Jewllywood.
The writing is on the wall for the future of this channel is all I'm saying..

Great, now admit to the world that you're a flaming leftist faggot kike yourself who whores for attention and lurks here on the Farms

 

[WEEKEND]

I never really understood why Mike and Rich didn't like the sequels. Watch the Pinkett reviews and listen to RLM on SW and it's clear that the sequels are exactly the films they wanted to see. Mike wanted J. J. Abrams to helm the ship, retarded writing and all. He never wanted any story that wasn't simple and Rich is the one convinced that SW can't be anything other than the OG trilogy.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I never really understood why Mike and Rich didn't like the sequels. Watch the Pinkett reviews and listen to RLM on SW and it's clear that the sequels are exactly the films they wanted to see. Mike wanted J. J. Abrams to helm the ship, retarded writing and all. He never wanted any story that wasn't simple and Rich is the one convinced that SW can't be anything other than the OG trilogy.

Don't forget, Mike *did* like The Force Awakens. Rich thought one of the good ideas from TLJ was Luke foregoing the Force.

They probably didn't like them overall because they just weren't that great of movies. That and the fact that they are not 12 years old which are what Star Wars movies have always been geared towards (outside ROTS, which was geared towards 13 year olds *rolls eyes*)

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I never really understood why Mike and Rich didn't like the sequels. Watch the Pinkett reviews and listen to RLM on SW and it's clear that the sequels are exactly the films they wanted to see. Mike wanted J. J. Abrams to helm the ship, retarded writing and all. He never wanted any story that wasn't simple and Rich is the one convinced that SW can't be anything other than the OG trilogy.

This is why I partially blame them for the Sequel Trilogy. Even if Disney was a good faith actor (they're not), listening to them was a disaster for those movies.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

This is why I partially blame them for the Sequel Trilogy. Even if Disney was a good faith actor (they're not), listening to them was a disaster for those movies.

This is such a weird take I keep seeing more and more as of late. It isn't like Mike started prequel criticism or even was the first person to say "Maybe J.J. Abrams should direct a Star Wars movie", and he certainly wasn't like "Maybe they should make a Star Wars movie that is boring as fuck and shits on fans." or "They should make Star Wars content every 3 to 6 months"

I'd say TFA might have been what Mike thought he wanted to see, but I don't see how "the sequels" as a whole were what he wanted at all and would love to have someone explain it to me.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I explained in earlier in this thread, but basically it comes down to claiming JJ Abrams would have made for a good Star Wars director based on the Star Trek 09 movie. That movie, for those who actually saw it, was a very empty movie that didn't tell much of a story at all and had very Flanderized characters. The results of that movie was Into Darkness, a sequel that is so terrible it broke the Kelvin franchise as a whole. TFA is very much like 09 in that it is a very empty pastiche of ANH with the shallow version of OT characters. TRoS proved JJ had no actual plan for his new characters, which was the case with Into Darkness. Just by watching 09, RLM should have been able to infer that the Star Wars movies are going to empty, pointless action movies with little narrative substance.

RLM was the one that crystalized Prequel Hate for pseudointellectuals and Hollywood types like Simon Pegg and Patton Oswald which filtered through Simon Pegg to JJ Abrams, hence why there is an explicit "no clones" line in TFA. He also commits the far more egregious problem of removing all politics because "politics is boring." By doing so, the Sequels make no sense on a cursory examination and why all subsequent Disney Wars media has to have the New Republic be this massively incompetent, oblivious organization that Leia created. Because it's the only way to lead to the Sequel Trilogy. Combined with their strong support for the Writer/Director model of film making, they argue for the centralization of power to the director. Which is why Mike saying that he wants JJ to direct, not write movies rings so hollow as a deflection. Especially since JJ started off as a writer for Michael Bay.

This is such a weird take I keep seeing more and more as of late. It isn't like Mike started prequel criticism or even was the first person to say "Maybe J.J. Abrams should direct a Star Wars movie", and he certainly wasn't like "Maybe they should make a Star Wars movie that is boring as fuck and shits on fans." or "They should make Star Wars content every 3 to 6 months"

I'd say TFA might have been what Mike thought he wanted to see, but I don't see how "the sequels" as a whole were what he wanted at all and would love to have someone explain it to me.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

has to have the New Republic be this massively incompetent, oblivious organization that Leia created.

As compared to George Lucas republic that was a massively incompetent, oblivious organization? Or the Jedi order that was a massively incompetent, oblivious organization?

I don't know, it all just kind of sounds like sour grapes from prequel fans to me. Then again, I'm in the camp that agrees with Mike that Star Wars was never serious business so I guess I don't have the right frame of mind.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

As compared to George Lucas republic that was a massively incompetent, oblivious organization? Or the Jedi order that was a massively incompetent, oblivious organization?

I don't know, it all just kind of sounds like sour grapes from prequel fans to me. Then again, I'm in the camp that agrees with Mike that Star Wars was never serious business so I guess I don't have the right frame of mind.

Yes, they are different. The incompetence of the Old Republic had a narrative purpose, to show just how fake and gay Democracy was, which is why Anakin hated the Senate as an institution. The Prequels speed-run the Fall of the Roman Republic and it does convey it as a tragedy. The Prequels could have had better execution, every form of media does, but what we have is a comprehensible story when engaged in good faith, which RLM and the rest of Gen X didn't do. The Sequels has no narrative basis for their incompetent government other than to be Rebels again. There is no way to remake any Sequel movie and have it be good because the stories told within it doesn't make sense. Luke fucked off for 30 years? Because he wanted to die? Why are there space horses? Nav can't tell what up is? To make the Sequels make sense is to jury rig so much fanfiction that it goes against the narrative purpose of the movies themselves.

And look at Disney Wars now. It's got to use Order 66, the Naboo starfighter, and prequel characters like Obi-wan in various shows for content. Meaning it needs to use Prequel references to sustain itself. Why? Because they ran all the OT imagery into the dirt. It doesn't matter if RLM wasn't being serious about the Prequels--which they were--people took their advice seriously and thus, they contributed to the badness of Disney Wars.

 

[McMitch]

It doesn't matter if RLM wasn't being serious about the Prequels--which they were--people took their advice seriously and thus, they contributed to the badness of Disney Wars.

Blaming RLM for the quality of the sequels is exactly the level of schizo association as blaming Metokur for the Covid shutdowns. Even taken in good faith, the Prequels insult their audience by falling into the same failing pattern Star Wars media had been for decades: over exploring what had already been satisfactorily explained in the previous narrative. The prequels sucked because it was assumed they would just print money, so they barreled through it without pre planning or criticism during production. The sequels sucked because it was assumed they would just print money, so they barreled through it without pre planning or criticism during production. The lack of care is evident in both sets of movies, and the audience will pick up on that. All RLM did was articulate what most people lacked the verbiage to do so, to a niche audience of internet weirdos.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Blaming RLM for the quality of the sequels is exactly the level of schizo association as blaming Metokur for the Covid shutdowns. Even taken in good faith, the Prequels insult their audience by falling into the same failing pattern Star Wars media had been for decades: over exploring what had already been satisfactorily explained in the previous narrative. The prequels sucked because it was assumed they would just print money, so they barreled through it without pre planning or criticism during production. The sequels sucked because it was assumed they would just print money, so they barreled through it without pre planning or criticism during production. The lack of care is evident in both sets of movies, and the audience will pick up on that. All RLM did was articulate what most people lacked the verbiage to do so, to a niche audience of internet weirdos.

Typical RLM fanboy posting. Can't ever admit they fucked up.