Culture What is really going on with Gen Alpha boys?

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By Halima Jibril

At the start of the year, the Financial Times reported that a new gender divide is emerging worldwide. While there has been consistent debate over whether Gen Z is the most progressive generation in history or the most conservative, there was a point in the latter part of the 2010s when many believed that the world needed to change and that Gen Z as a whole would be the ones to make it better. But this new research tells a less idealistic story.

Through an analysis of General Social Surveys and Election Studies in Korea, Germany, the US and the UK, data journalist John Burn-Murdoch found that in the UK, Gen Z women are 25 percentage points more liberal than Gen Z men. In Germany and the US, Gen Z women are 30 percentage points more liberal than the men in their generation. The voting patterns of young men around the world also highlight their more conservative leanings: In the Polish elections last year, almost half of the men aged 18 to 21 voted for the far-right Confederation party, and in South Korea, young men largely voted for the right-wing People Power party in 2022.

Many believe this divide is the result of backlash towards feminist movements such as #MeToo and the fact that popular feminism, while still challenged, was able to enter mainstream discourse successfully. Even though backlash towards feminist progression is normal, as Susan Faludi wrote in her 1991 text Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women, acknowledging its normalcy should not make us complacent. These statistics are worrying, as those with conservative ideals are more likely to display violent anti-women, anti-immigration and racist attitudes openly, and there is a possibility that the divide will grow further.

As soon as I heard this news, I immediately thought about Gen Alpha boys (born between 2010 and 2025) and Gen Z’s youngest members (often lumped in with Gen Alpha). A generation already described as illiterate, lazy, rude and ignorant, not just by the usual suspects (Gen X and Baby Boomers) but also by older members of Gen Z, who not too long ago suffered the same critiques from older generations. While there is an unnecessary moral panic surrounding Gen Alpha, worries about how they understand their gender, the gender of others and gender roles are rightful causes for concern. Just this week, the leader of the UK’s largest education union called for an independent inquiry into the rise of sexism and misogyny among boys and young men, describing it as “a huge issue” in schools. With the prevalence of misogynistic male influencers on social media, many believe that Gen Alpha boys are “not going to be OK” and are already “doomed.”

But are they really doomed? Or is what’s going on with Gen Alpha boys more complex than the pessimistic picture being painted?

My son is 10, and when I asked him if he knew who Andrew Tate was he said although the had never watched him, he heard some of his classmates talking about him a few times. That day I had to have a 1 hour conversation with him about how dangerous that man is.

— Mauvaise Pute 🧚🏾‍♀️ (@jenny_gxo) June 20, 2023

“I believe an element of this is unprecedented,” explains John*, a 23-year-old working at an educational charity. “[One of my] colleagues’ parents has been a teacher for decades and says she sees more misogyny and homophobia in schools now than ever before. There are waves of online content reaching young men, and nobody, including us, knows exactly what to do.” Andrew Tate, who is now facing extradition to the UK over rape and human trafficking claims, is still one of the main misogynistic influencers that John hears young boys speak about. “They regurgitate ideas and phrases of his. These sometimes are shown through their idea of what a man should be, involving being a ‘Top G,’ ‘providing for your family.’ They make fun of women and their appearance regularly. People who counter their ideas, especially women, are seen as dangerous and liars.”

One of the reasons young men find themselves so attracted to Tate, as John highlights, is because he teaches them how to exist in the world. In her book Collapse Feminism, writer and video essayist Alice Cappelle argues that while some young men do go out of their way to look for misogynistic content online, others are simply looking for self-improvement tips. Since influencers like Tate and Jordan Peterson brand themselves as “self-help” gurus, selling courses on how to be a ‘Top G’, attract the right kind of women and achieve financial freedom,
impressionable boys and young men believe they’ve discovered the secret to performing their gender “correctly” and succeeding in life.

“Tate will become cringe eventually. The problem is the trail of misogynistic destruction he has left behind” – Issa

It’s easy to put sole blame on individuals like Tate (or even on pornography, as the teachers’ union leaders are doing) for the rise in misogyny among young men, but we already live in an incredibly gendered society. Even when we don’t think we’re pushing a gendered ideology, most of the time, we are, and young people internalise that way of thinking very quickly. For example, in her book, The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity and Love, bell hooks highlights how mothers can be some of the biggest perpetrators of patriarchy. “The single mom who insists that her boy child, ‘be a man’ is not anti-patriarchal; she is enforcing patriarchal will,” she writes. 23-year-old history teacher Lauren, who has been a victim of misogynistic catcalling at her school, similarly agrees with hooks’ sentiments. “I think many issues within school, including children’s perception of gender, come from the parents at home. So regardless of what we can do in school, I don’t think this has a great impact unless we educate their parents, which is extremely hard to do.”

28-year-old Issa*, an English teacher in an inner city secondary school, believes our focus should not be on individuals like Tate because teenagers are incredibly fickle. “Tate will become cringe eventually. The problem is the trail of misogynistic destruction he has left behind.” This is where charities like Beyond Equality come into play. Founded in 2016, they facilitate workshops in schools, universities, workplaces, sports teams, and other community groups, focusing on boys and men. They explore topics such as physical and mental well-being, gender-based violence, and healthy relationships. “We help them understand their position in the patriarchy and support them in contributing to a more gender-equitable world,” Tomara Garrod, volunteer and community manager of Beyond Equality, tells Dazed.

“Teenagers are used to being told by adults what they should believe, how they should behave, and being punished when they don’t follow these rules. But many are more than willing to have a sensitive, nuanced conversation as long as they feel they’ll be genuinely listened to and respected” – Tomara Garrod

Beyond Equality believes that one of the best ways to support boys who find themselves drawn to misogynistic content is by speaking with them honestly. “To actually have transformative, liberatory conversations about misogyny, we have to be able to face it openly and without judgement,” explains Garrod. “Teenagers are used to being told by adults what they should believe, how they should behave, and being punished when they don’t follow these rules. But many are more than willing to have a sensitive, nuanced conversation as long as they feel they’ll be genuinely listened to and respected. Many engage far more critically with the content they consume than we might assume. What they need is a space to engage and encourage this critical thinking, one rooted in curiosity, compassion, and justice.”

The work done by organisations like Beyond Equality is much more impactful than just placing “positive” male influencers in schools, as Labour proposed in February. While the idea is nice on paper, as Cappelle argues in Collapse Feminism, “the goal should not be to switch one type of masculinity (toxic) to another type of masculinity (healthy/positive), but rather to reject the idea that the formation of one’s identity, meaning one’s value system and tastes, can only mediate through a fixed gender expression.” In other words: “it is time to imagine the formation of a man’s identity outside of the constraints of masculinity and outside of the constraints of a fixed definition.”

It takes all of us, not just teachers and those who work in charities, to dismantle and challenge patriarchal culture, and we must do it together if we do not want the ideological gender divide to deepen.
 
And this is exactly why most of them have concluded that women simply aren't worth it anymore. Sure, friendships still happen but relationships? Fat chance. This is also part of the reason why they're so fascinated by the 80s and 90s in general. They couldn't believe that people back then were slim and good looking, there was tits and violence in videogames as well as happy, functioning relationships, things were much more affordable (Married With Children literally features a retail dude and he's able to afford 2 kids, a house, a wife that spends alot of money and a car) and the Internet was a much for freer space than the Corponet we have now.

1987...

2014.

Ohh man that hits HARD.

The biggest difference is that people would TALK to each other. No one has a little TV/radio/idiot box in their hands 24/7

Also, so few fatties in 1987

the thing is, talking to kids in general about what sort of stuff they're seeing online will not accomplish much by itself, because the content in question directly references and comments on what they're seeing in real life.
to make an impact you can't just do the "tate man bad" thing, you would also need to provide a better solution to the underlying problem than whatever tate is peddling.
but to figure out a solution to that, you would first have to actually acknowledge that a problem exists and understand how it impacts people, which committed leftoids like the people in the article obviously will never do.

The other issue is that retarded parents use the fucking tablet/YouTube as a surrogate parent why they go get stoned.

You know what I was watching at 10? Minecraft. Like most kids. Kids, 10 year olds, wernt listening to political streamers. That's not fun. And yeah, I would tell a 10 year old Tate is a loser, because they aren't a teenager yet, they'll actually listen. It's called being a parental figure.

Too bad being an engaged parent is TOO HARD so they pawn the kid off on the illegal alien nanny and the phone/tablet
 
Too bad being an engaged parent is TOO HARD so they pawn the kid off on the illegal alien nanny and the phone/tablet
Me as a kid, I was stuck in books mostly. My parents encouraged it. By the time I was in third grade, I was reading at a 12th grade level. Personally I want that for my kids. There's a lot more to books than a gadget like a phone.
 
Just this week, the leader of the UK’s largest education union called for an independent inquiry into the rise of sexism and misogyny among boys and young men, describing it as “a huge issue” in schools. With the prevalence of misogynistic male influencers on social media, many believe that Gen Alpha boys are “not going to be OK” and are already “doomed.”
Love to see the breakdown by race. The country that brought us the Telford and Rotherham rape gangs can't be arsed to tell us, go figure.
23-year-old history teacher Lauren, who has been a victim of misogynistic catcalling at her school, similarly agrees with hooks’ sentiments. “I think many issues within school, including children’s perception of gender, come from the parents at home. So regardless of what we can do in school, I don’t think this has a great impact unless we educate their parents, which is extremely hard to do.”
I want to know the demographics of this school and who is doing the cat-calling. Because "perception of gender" mean nothing when public school teachers are trying to say boys can be girls now.
Pick Up Artists. Feminists got BIG MAD about them because it was men trying to regain agency in dating.
Remember Roosh V? He's a Christian now. He even had credible sexual assault allegations against him, mainly for forcing sex on drunk women. He's since unpublished his books. Andrew Tate got rich off pimping women for OF. SSDD.
I lived through socialism. GTFO you fucking dunce. Go find a commune and stink over there
The bit about spending trillions on foreign wars is true though. Israel gets free healthcare - that you pay for - while there are homeless camps everywhere. Spending trillions to be the world's police is globalism, not nationalism.
Stopped reading.
Low T men are more misogynistic, especially if they are threatened by higher status males, who have success with women.
Women have been pushing left forever. It's why the marxists went out of their way to court them. Far, far easier to manipulate.
Leftist women circa 1920s era were full blown eugenicists and advocated for a "stronger white race." They supported social programs because it meant more superior white children. Oswald Mosley and Mussolini had a lot of female support because they wanted to cut down crime and not focus on pointless wars. Married women vote in line with their husbands - right or left.
 
Low T men are more misogynistic, especially if they are threatened by higher status males, who have success with women.
im not so sure about that
its definitely a different angle though. in low t it comes in the form of vengeful spite and resentment, while in high t it comes in the form of casual disregard and lack of empathy.
 
im not so sure about that
its definitely a different angle though. in low t it comes in the form of vengeful spite and resentment, while in high t it comes in the form of casual disregard and lack of empathy.
This isn't feminist science, it comes out of evo-bio. Basically low T males are constantly threatened by higher status males and so hold more misogynistic views as a result. Alexander of DatePsych (his Twitter) has discussed it.
 
Me as a kid, I was stuck in books mostly. My parents encouraged it. By the time I was in third grade, I was reading at a 12th grade level. Personally I want that for my kids. There's a lot more to books than a gadget like a phone.

Ahh a fellow book autist 🤓

Remember Roosh V? He's a Christian now. He even had credible sexual assault allegations against him, mainly for forcing sex on drunk women. He's since unpublished his books. Andrew Tate got rich off pimping women for OF. SSDD
Don't forget Tucker Max, the "author" of "I hope they serve Beer in Hell". That book has a excerpt where he describes making an Asian girl he picked up bleed from her anus after particular rough anal sex

He plays it for laughs as "revenge" for his father or uncle's service in Vietnam as she was Vietnamese.

Book had a sequel.

He's now a wannabe "tradcon" influencer currently grifting away on Twitter.
 
im not so sure about that
its definitely a different angle though. in low t it comes in the form of vengeful spite and resentment, while in high t it comes in the form of casual disregard and lack of empathy.
Another factor is the redefinition of the word misogynist - a lot of alpha behaviour that is considered misogyny is closer to misanthropy - the alpha treats everyone with aloofness, but it's misogynist when a woman is involved.
 
Another factor is the redefinition of the word misogynist - a lot of alpha behaviour that is considered misogyny is closer to misanthropy - the alpha treats everyone with aloofness, but it's misogynist when a woman is involved.
not necessarily
i knew a guy who was nice and solid all around, but women he'd just treat like complete trash. he'd routinely talk shit and insult them, both to their faces and behind their backs, he'd get one night stands and make a point to steal a piece of underwear as a trophy, he regularly ghosted and blocked girls who tried to stay in touch and he'd show the messages they sent him to his friends and mock and ridicule them
but with men never anything like that, he played a lot of video games with some total beta virgin guys and was always straight and friendly, never condescending or disrespectful like he was with women, the difference was night and day
 
Honestly it’s no different than it ever was. Adolescent girls try to conform to whatever is socially most advantageous at the time, adolescent boys are wired to rebel. When I was a kid that was girls trying to look like Paris Hilton and boys skateboarding and sagging their pants. Now that we’re in hell world, politics dominate everything and girls want to fall in line as the most virtuous social justice true believer and boys have grown up being told they’re all privileged potential rapists so they’re looking for ways to push against that. Plus unfettered internet echo chamber access as others have mentioned.
 
pack your bags people
someone on twitter said something so it must be true
Okay, I bring receipts. This is who I am referencing:
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And he references this as well:
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Again, this isn't feminist science. It's within evolutionary psychology and evo-bio. Disliking it doesn't make it go away.
 
Okay, I bring receipts. This is who I am referencing:
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And he references this as well:
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Again, this isn't feminist science. It's within evolutionary psychology and evo-bio. Disliking it doesn't make it go away.
And no mention of testosterone whatsoever.

Dislike it? You fail to understand the fields of science are not some definite irrevocable fact rather than a process to discern the truth. Your own evidence doesn't even back your conclusion. What nonsense.
 
And no mention of testosterone whatsoever.
He has an entire post on it here. It was too large to post earlier as I was on mobile, but he goes into detail on whether testosterone increases aggression or encourages cooperation, largely determinant on status. Low status males will be more aggressive because they are perceived as lesser, and will not be rewarded by males of a higher social status. Perhaps 'low status' was preferable over 'low T', but males in the study by Dreher et al showed that males given testosterone were more generous and harsher towards behaviour they thought was unfair.

Cortisol has also been pointed to as a reason why aggressive behaviours may arise in men, and there's a feedback regarding T with that, too.
Dislike it? You fail to understand the fields of science are not some definite irrevocable fact rather than a process to discern the truth. Your own evidence doesn't even back your conclusion. What nonsense.
You contested my initial claims because a recommendation of someone with good posts was bullshit. I will recommend good Twitter accounts when I find them, either because they produce interesting little tidbits, or they are funny, or like Alex they go into the Red Pill sphere of influence. I'll even recommend Jordan Peterson's video on IQ, even when he was a former Benzo addict. A 'nuh uh, I don't like it' is childish.

It isn't nonsense - it is, again, evo-psych. We cannot know for sure whether Gen Alpha is truly more misogynistic until and unless T levels, cortisol, and more are tested. Then we can wonder if porn has an impact, or COVID policies, whatever.
 
He has an entire post on it here. It was too large to post earlier as I was on mobile, but he goes into detail on whether testosterone increases aggression or encourages cooperation, largely determinant on status. Low status males will be more aggressive because they are perceived as lesser, and will not be rewarded by males of a higher social status. Perhaps 'low status' was preferable over 'low T', but males in the study by Dreher et al showed that males given testosterone were more generous and harsher towards behaviour they thought was unfair.

Cortisol has also been pointed to as a reason why aggressive behaviours may arise in men, and there's a feedback regarding T with that, too.

You contested my initial claims because a recommendation of someone with good posts was bullshit. I will recommend good Twitter accounts when I find them, either because they produce interesting little tidbits, or they are funny, or like Alex they go into the Red Pill sphere of influence. I'll even recommend Jordan Peterson's video on IQ, even when he was a former Benzo addict. A 'nuh uh, I don't like it' is childish.

It isn't nonsense - it is, again, evo-psych. We cannot know for sure whether Gen Alpha is truly more misogynistic until and unless T levels, cortisol, and more are tested. Then we can wonder if porn has an impact, or COVID policies, whatever.
His conclusion in that study is that testosterone has a minimal effect on behavior. That goes against your own conclusion. Really, it makes me wonder what you're even bothering to say here. Men who aren't high status have more misogynistic views? You don't say? We could've looked to any third world country to come to the same conclusion.

You assume my conclusions are given off a personal opinion from an immediate emotional reaction rather than what I can decipher with the information given. Unless you can read my mind, you're an idiot. There's no point in continuing this conversation as it's clearly going nowhere.
 
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I've had many of these conversations about race and sex "openly and without judgement." What that means is that they vaguely listen to your concerns, tell you it doesn't make you a bad guy to feel that way, and then guide you gently back to the prefigured social justice conclusion.

Whenever somebody tells they want to have an "open," "honest," or "empathetic" conversation about race or gender that's what they mean every single time.

Indeed, compare this to something like Malcolm in the Middle (made 2000-2003ish?) where both parents worked, one office one retail and they still barely could provide. It may be a comedy but life imitates art. And this was all pre-2008 where shit really started hitting the fan
I mentioned it in some other thread, but Home Improvement absolutely was a 90s woke show that no one called out as such. Tim Taylor was a goofy, dumb caveman who had to be given open, honest, empathetic conversations to back down on whatever opinion he had. I often point to the vasectomy episode because it really is awful just how everyone hard-sells the procedure to him while no one is listening to the operative word in any other elective surgical procedure: the patient said "no." These days, I really do think it was trying to get men to become infertile by selling sex as consequence-free, but since it didn't work on regular men, they shifted their depopulation propaganda to transsexuals.
 
I mentioned it in some other thread, but Home Improvement absolutely was a 90s woke show that no one called out as such. Tim Taylor was a goofy, dumb caveman who had to be given open, honest, empathetic conversations to back down on whatever opinion he had. I often point to the vasectomy episode because it really is awful just how everyone hard-sells the procedure to him while no one is listening to the operative word in any other elective surgical procedure: the patient said "no." These days, I really do think it was trying to get men to become infertile by selling sex as consequence-free, but since it didn't work on regular men, they shifted their depopulation propaganda to transsexuals.
Are there circumstances in which you support the decision to have a vasectomy?
 
Okay, I bring receipts. This is who I am referencing:
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And he references this as well:
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Again, this isn't feminist science. It's within evolutionary psychology and evo-bio. Disliking it doesn't make it go away.
i am by no means a standard social science model fan or defender, but evo psych communities online are notorious for being full of hacks and grifters
also just in general, "i made a scientific misogyny scale based on elliott rodgers manifesto" is a funny meme, but if you unironically take these people at face value then you might want to take a few steps back and reevaluate who you are putting yout trust in.
these guys are good at making their shit sound impressive by using scientific jargon and aesthetics (properly labeled graphs etc) but the substance of their work tends to be severely lacking, it's a bit like what you see people like aella do to appeal to her cringe 'rationalist' simp audience

Are there circumstances in which you support the decision to have a vasectomy?
if you aren't white
also if you have genetic defects that would make any children you father come out crippled, deformed or retarded in some way
 
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