David Steel / LazerPig / Ricewynd / Malquistion - Pathological Liar, Reddit Historian, Femboy Thirster, and Vore Connoisseur

I'd like to bring attention to another NAFO adjacent Lazerpig knock off (this time a more "professional and collected" personality, Kaboda. His first video "Why the SU57 'Felon' Sucks" is textbook NAFO sperging about the Russian MIC and all of their designs. While I don't doubt the Su-57 struggles with a lot of things, especially actually getting them produced, most of his points like the exposed screws, bubbles in the canopy, etc are all really out of date, and based on the pre-production issues the Felon has had. He also decided to chime in indirectly on the T-14 conversation, and basically just repeated points made by swine, and red effect (especially in regards to the engine, he completely parrots red effect). He seems to have dropped off now considering the algorithm has moved on from "lets all dunk on Russia constantly", and he hasn't put out a video in 2 months, and a lot of his content is very low effort "here's why america is the best", but he's worth a hate watch if you need some more swine adjacent content to seethe at.
 
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The FREMM frigate program has been a absolute success, the US is just being slow and a bit retarded with it.
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Not quite when latest set modifications are needed to be done to bring it up to U.S. military specification. As any lesser standard is viewed as unacceptable to Congress. Who had previously fucked the Navy hard when they tried to sell the LCS to them as "cheap and expendable." U.S. Navy was retarded for trying to reinvent the wheel and fucking it up instead of license producing the module system that was already made and in service.
 
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Not quite when latest set modifications are needed to be done to bring it up to U.S. military specification. As any lesser standard is viewed as unacceptable to Congress. Who had previously fucked the Navy hard when they tried to sell the LCS to them as "cheap and expendable." U.S. Navy was retarded for trying to reinvent the wheel and fucking it up instead of license producing the module system that was already made and in service.
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"Cheap and expendable" should never be used for manned vessels. Nothing manned in the US military should be considered expendable as our soldiers themselves aren't expendable.

Shame on anyone who thinks so little of their own countrymen.
 
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Fatsuit Shinji said:
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Not quite when latest set modifications are needed to be done to bring it up to U.S. military specification. As any lesser standard is viewed as unacceptable to Congress. Who had previously fucked the Navy hard when they tried to sell the LCS to them as "cheap and expendable." U.S. Navy was retarded for trying to reinvent the wheel and fucking it up instead of license producing the module system that was already made and in service.
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If I had to guess, for one they've stretched the hull for those anti ship missiles, but in terms of navy spec, it probably has to do with durability and electronics compatibility. It's part of the reason the tonnage has gone up, and it has a version of Aeigs.

And on a technical autistic level, meteric vs SAE. I'm Not kidding. I have zero proof, but American workers are taught in inches, feet, SAE. They might have redone the design to try to make it less confusing for the guys building it. Or not. Metric is common in the industry. But it is a thought.
 
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MIC Shill said:
"Cheap and expendable" should never be used for manned vessels. Nothing manned in the US military should be considered expendable as our soldiers themselves aren't expendable.

Shame on anyone who thinks so little of their own countrymen.
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That's literally what the A-10 was designed as though.
 
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One man heavily armored plane with volunteer pilots vs a fucking ship. There is a difference.
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Obviously they're different, but it's still a manned system, and Pilots are very valuable, much more valuable than ground vehicle crew for example. Also, the A-10 is armoured and has redundant systems, but it's still a low altitude, slow speed attack aircraft, there's only so much you can do to actually make it survivable, the role of an A-10 pilot in the cold war was a suicidal, but necessary one.
 
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Obviously they're different, but it's still a manned system, and Pilots are very valuable, much more valuable than ground vehicle crew for example. Also, the A-10 is armoured and has redundant systems, but it's still a low altitude, slow speed attack aircraft, there's only so much you can do to actually make it survivable, the role of an A-10 pilot in the cold war was a suicidal, but necessary one.
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Yes the A-10 was and is necessary (fite me). Losing a ship, even one like a LCS, isn't. It's a corvette with a big hangar. It can do shit other than die bravely if given the proper crew and equipment. And live a long life doing it, because it's a ship.
 
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Yes the A-10 was and is necessary (fite me). Losing a ship, even one like a LCS, isn't. It's a corvette with a big hangar. It can do shit other than die bravely if given the proper crew and equipment. And live a long life doing it, because it's a ship.
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I'm not arguing that in the slightest bro, just refuting the point of not having an expendable manned resource within your military. If the Su-25 has managed to be useful in Ukraine, the A-10 will be for the foreseeable future as well. Not if you're on the side with a worse air force or IADS though, then it's just dead weight lol.
 
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I'm not arguing that in the slightest bro, just refuting the point of not having an expendable manned resource within your military. If the Su-25 has managed to be useful in Ukraine, the A-10 will be for the foreseeable future as well. Not if you're on the side with a worse air force or IADS though, then it's just dead weight lol
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A expendable naval resource is a PT boat. Not a 3000 ton not-corvette that takes years to build. The LCS program was a cluster fuck because it wasn't cheap, wasn't low cost, low survivability, and not enough weapons.

But as for the A10 and su, yes, agree.
 
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That's literally what the A-10 was designed as though.
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I certainly see where you're coming from, but many steps were taken to ensure even if the plane is lost, we can still get the pilot back.

That's what I mean, I don't care about about the machine. The machine means nothing to me, I only care about the meat inside.
Combat Arms is always gonna be dangerous, you're always gonna sustain casualties, but we should take as many precautions as possible so we can at least get the operators home.
 
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WelperHelper99 said:
A expendable naval resource is a PT boat. Not a 3000 ton not-corvette that takes years to build. The LCS program was a cluster fuck because it wasn't cheap, wasn't low cost, low survivability, and not enough weapons.

But as for the A10 and su, yes, agree.
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I agree, the LCS program was stupid, I also agree that there's no such thing as an expendable manned naval vessel.
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I certainly see where you're coming from, but many steps were taken to ensure even if the plane is lost, we can still get the pilot back.

That's what I mean, I don't care about about the machine. The machine means nothing to me, I only care about the meat inside.
Combat Arms is always gonna be dangerous, you're always gonna sustain casualties, but we should take as many precautions as possible so we can at least get the operators home.
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Sometimes you just don't have the luxury afforded to you to minimize your casualties, but it's obviously always better to do so if you can, that's an instant flaw of the LCS, why on earth would the USA need to adopt a higher casualty doctrine?
 
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I agree, the LCS program was stupid, I also agree that there's no such thing as an expendable manned naval vessel.

Sometimes you just don't have the luxury afforded to you to minimize your casualties, but it's obviously always better to do so if you can, that's an instant flaw of the LCS, why on earth would the USA need to adopt a higher casualty doctrine?
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The idea was we wanted some green water ground pounder support. Rock up to a coast, deploy land vehicles from the hanger, and use hellfire missiles to blow the fuck out of the coast. Also there were modules. What we got was not that. It was a corvette with limp dick anti air and a big hangar. The modules were all but dropped because that shit was wild, and now shit is fixed per ship. It was a lot of ideas in 90s the end of history- we're just going to be fighting terrorists and pirates now- arrogance.
 
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The idea was we wanted some green water ground pounder support. Rock up to a coast, deploy land vehicles from the hanger, and use hellfire missiles to blow the fuck out of the coast. Also there were modules. What we got was not that. It was a corvette with limp dick anti air and a big hangar. The modules were all but dropped because that shit was wild, and now shit is fixed per ship. It was a lot of ideas in 90s the end of history- we're just going to be fighting terrorists and pirates now- arrogance.
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Who the fuck wants a costal bombardment ship in the 90s even?
 
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Who the fuck wants a costal bombardment ship in the 90s even?
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Eh, it has its uses. Vietnam used monitors extensively. It just depends. The problem was it was not a monitor, but a chimera that also wanted to be a corvette, and a fuck hueg helicopter pad. Also minesweeping. Because of course, we just cant build fucking minesweepers, gotta make a swiss army knife. And like a Swiss army knife, it's shit compared to a purpose built ship.

On a side note, They did retain the Hellfires on the Independence class LCS, which were also capable against pt boats.
 
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