Chimpout Megathread

[Cuntspiracy Man]

All I get is “no cap” “fr” “bet” “tho” et al. These are white kids, too. My all time favorite was “Mina soda”.

Eh, that's likely not an inability to spell but rather just slang, Words like "fr" and "tho" aren't even new, they predate the common household internet connection and were especially popularized during the era where most phones had a simple 3x3 keypad for typing.

But as I've said in another thread it's also obnoxious to see people adopt street nigga slang because they think it's cool and speaking with a lexicon of more than 12 worlds comprised of more than 2 syllables is "lame" and "soooo white". I've seen people who I knew as being polite and well educate just a few years back suddenly slip into that sort of speech, making them sound downright dumber than other people I've personally known who are actually, earnestly uneducated or never properly learned to speak or write, but also never interacted with modern media or 'hood cultcha' and so never started ooga-booga'ing.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

But as I've said in another thread it's also obnoxious to see people adopt street nigga slang because they think it's cool and speaking with a lexicon of more than 12 worlds comprised of more than 2 syllables is "lame" and "soooo white".

Interesting you use this term so casually when all evidence points to "cool" itself originally being black slang.

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

Interesting you use this term so casually when all evidence points to "cool" itself originally being black slang.

1. Fake and gay, post that evidence because something being old slang doesn't instantly make it black
2. I don't care if it sounds good. Saying "that's cool" doesn't sound nearly as retarded as "Yo dis boffa finna beez neegz on fleek das cray fo' sho"

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

1. Fake and gay, post that evidence because something being old slang doesn't instantly make it black
2. I don't care if it sounds good. Saying "that's cool" doesn't sound nearly as retarded as "Yo dis boffa finna beez neegz on fleek das cray fo' sho"

1. Okay.

In 1884, a professor at Washington and Lee University named James A. Harrison published an article titled “Negro English” in Anglia, a German journal about the English language. In it, he discusses African-American dialect with the panting excitement, and racist condescension, of a man who has discovered an alien culture in his own backyard. The Negro, he asserts:

… deals in hyperbole, in rhythm, in picture-words, like the poet; the slang which is an ingrained part of his being, as deep-dyed as his skin, is, with him, not mere word distortion; it is his verbal breath of life.

Among the many “Negroisms” that Harrison cites is the interjection “Dat’s cool!,” which is given without definition or explanation, and so we’re left to wonder at how closely its meaning mirrors the modern. By the 1920s, though, cool is firmly fixed as an unambiguous term of approval and even reverence. In 1924, the singer Anna Lee Chisholm recorded “Cool Kind Daddy Blues.” In the early 1930s, Zora Neale Hurston, in her short story “The Gilded Six-Bits,” wrote of a male character:

And whut make it so cool, he got money ‘cumulated. And womens give it all to ‘im.

By the 1940s, “cool cat” clawed its way into the jazz scene, and the word has had currency ever since.

2. That's just because it isn't new to you.

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

1. Okay.

2. That's just because it isn't new to you.

We don't think old things are good just because they're old.
Old things just tend to be good because they're not new.

Also
>Journalism piece about how anotha thing beez blacks mang, we wuz allofa history n shiii'
No

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

We don't think old things are good just because they're old.
Old things just tend to be good because they're not new.

Also
>Journalism piece about how anotha thing beez blacks mang, we wuz allofa history n shiii'
No

I know that it sucks to find yourself backed into a corner so completely that you're sputtering and babbling like this.

That said, I'd be interested in seeing your scholarship, which doesn't firmly place the popularization of the term "cool" in the Jazz Age.

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

I know that it sucks to find yourself backed into a corner so completely that you're sputtering and babbling like this.

>Boy you sure are speaking in a manner that is incoherent and perhaps even emotionally and mentally impaired, I can't even express how silly you look right now.
Not having this conversation. Congrats you 'won' the argument, I'm not doing this disingenuous crap.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

>Boy you sure are speaking in a manner that is incoherent and perhaps even emotionally and mentally impaired, I can't even express how silly you look right now.
Not having this conversation. Congrats you 'won' the argument, I'm not doing this disingenuous crap.

LMAO. Very dignified response. Look on the bright side, you learned something about American linguistic history today!

 

[Male Idiot]

Niggers are retarded and can't talk properly. No need to argue over it. They just be dum frfr skibidi loo bix nood dimpa doo.

 

[Vesperus]

Slate telling you that niggers invented using the word "Cool" to describe things other than temperature should be a giant red flag alerting you to the fact that they did not.

Nis nout so hot þat hit na coleþ.
(There's nothing so hot it harms my cool)
~"The Owl and the Nightingale", c.1250

If you want to argue that niggers used it to describe fucking everything because of their limited vocabulary then sure, point made, but this does not make them literary giants.

 

[DJ McHamfist]

LMAO. Very dignified response. Look on the bright side, you learned something about American linguistic history today!

Even if you were right that the term "cool" was somehow invented by black people, the fact it's been used for such a long time negates your point. It's been used for a long time because it makes sense. Not like the stupid shit that gets said for about a year and then gets forgotten these days. Cool makes objective sense, as in the opposite of hot headed, i.e. under control vs out of control. Cool headed then transfers to other things that are desirable.

Not like fittna skibedee doop dap tiddle bap no cap sheeeeet.

For me the stupidest part is the fucking names. Tykeeria, what the hell name is that. It's not even a black/white thing. It's a stupid/not stupid thing. Fucking Tykeeria, jesus.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

Even if you were right that the term "cool" was somehow invented by black people, the fact it's been used for such a long time negates your point. It's been used for a long time because it makes sense.

"Somehow invented by black people" as if we're talking about splitting the atom. It's just a slang word. Its linguistic development is about as traceable as any slang term we have, including the internet era where this stuff is theoretically far more documented via writing.

And no, it only "makes sense" because its meaning has been imprinted into your brain's language center from birth, like any word. There's no reason that the state described by "cool" isn't wizard, neato, fabuloso, or whatever (or "hip" which is another Jazz Age slang word that likely derives from the movements of musicians in the zone). And it doesn't even really fit into the semantic framework of other heat-based slang terms, which somehow you managed to get wrong? Someone who is "hot" is sexually desirable. Someone who is "warm" is kind and receptive. Someone who is "cold" is unkind and humorless. Someone who is "frigid" is sexually unreceptive. So why how exactly does "cool" in the sense of "hip" make objective sense?

I look forward to the essay in prescriptive linguistics that you pull out of your ass justifying this semantic meaning, which you had never thought about prior to me bringing it up for you.

You can hate black people all you want, I don't really give a shit, but it's extremely funny that you can't live with the fact that black culture has actually made an imprint on the way that you speak. Like, it's not the end of the world at all. Just admit that you learned something and be on your way.

Nis nout so hot þat hit na coleþ.
(There's nothing so hot it harms my cool)
~"The Owl and the Nightingale", c.1250

Oh cool, the Medievalist is here. Please, give us the context for those verses. Because I found a different translation of that: "Nothing is so hot that it does not grow cold, and nothing is so white that it does not grow dirty, and nothing is so much loved that it does not grow hateful, and nothing is so pleasant that it does not grow irksome; but everything which is not eternal must always pass away, and all the joy of the world".

 

[DJ McHamfist]

You can hate black people all you want, I don't really give a shit, but it's extremely funny that you can't live with the fact that black culture has actually made an imprint on the way that you speak. Like, it's not the end of the world at all. Just admit that you learned something and be on your way.

Contrary to many here, I don't hate black people, and I never said that they hadn't made an imprint. I said cool made sense as a word, because it actually fits and has a purpose.

Cool isn't just a slang word, it's also not just negative. It can be positive. You've never heard of being "cool under pressure"? Cool as a cucumber, all terms that refer to people being under control, relaxed and level headed. Fuck all to do with "hip", but positive nonetheless. Hot isn't always positive either. Hot-headed is not a compliment, we talk about people blowing up, blazing rows. For someone who's clearly at least partially educated in language you seem to be willfully ignoring the subtleties of English. Are you not a native speaker? Context, it's important, or so you claimed.

Whereas what i do hate is the lazy gobble-de-gook I hear coming from the mouths of young people, black and white, it's just fucking retarded. To me it makes people sound uneducated and thick. They should want better of themselves. This isn't evolution, it's devolution into guttural noises.

But whatever man, yeah you're educating the masses, by being a condescending, reductive prick

 

[AbendCode12]

Who invented the Chimpout? Can a nigger not be given credit?

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

Who invented the Chimpout? Can a nigger not be given credit?

Cain, you uneducated swine

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

Contrary to many here, I don't hate black people, and I never said that they hadn't made an imprint. I said cool made sense as a word, because it actually fits and has a purpose.

Cool isn't just a slang word, it's also not just negative. It can be positive. You've never heard of being "cool under pressure"? Cool as a cucumber, all terms that refer to people being under control, relaxed and level headed. Fuck all to do with "hip", but positive nonetheless. Hot isn't always positive either. Hot-headed is not a compliment, we talk about people blowing up, blazing rows.

I don't see how any of these temperature permutations "logically" lead to the slang meaning of cool as is commonly used to mean "hip and fashionable."

"Hot," for example, can and does have a similar albeit non-identical sense of "trendy, of the moment." See Mugatu's "He's so hot right now" in Zoolander. As far as I can tell, that slang usage does not have its origins in black American English. "Ice-cold" also has some similar connotations though again not exactly identical.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be asserting that there is an obvious, rational connection between that usage and the alternate usage of cool meaning "levelheaded," and for that reason it's wrong to assume that the usage came from black slang. I'm sorry but that's just not a convincing argument and isn't borne out by the written sources we have. All human language comes from somewhere; slang in particular tends to have a pretty complex evolution, being handed off between multiple groups and evolving over time.

To give another recent example: "Based" seems to originally derive from 80s slang for a crack addict (someone who freebases), which was then re-interpreted by the rapper Lil B in the 2000s to mean "grounded, not giving a fuck," and then spread into its current usage in internet culture. (The interpretation of "based [in reality]" is a folk etymology.)

Linguistics is a lot of fun. If people don't give a fuck I understand but you're missing a lot of shit about the world around you by ignoring it.

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

slang in particular tends to have a pretty complex evolution, being handed off between multiple groups and evolving over time.

Hol up, hol up... So den... Den youze be sayin, then... Hol up.... So then youze be saying weez niggaz.... Hol up, wayminite, you beez sayin, hol up imma finna git dis so you... You beez sayin........... The creation of slang, particularly in a country and culture, and a subculture, as racially diverse as America and early jazz respectively, can't be attributed with certainy to any particular race, and the immediate assumption that it must be black people is unfounded and likely a result of modern revisionism and the romanticized belief that everything old and associated with street and city culture is likely black in origin.
Sheiiiiiiiiiiiiid homie.

 

[Male Idiot]

My nigga hol up...whips out muh dick you be sayin' steals bike we wuz collects welfare inventing bein' hot or ize cold shoots at squirrel because it was eating from his kfc bucket we wuz da frfr real meteoriteogists all a-logs?

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Be ever vigilant and watchful for "callous trios."

NY Post / archive

As an aside, I'm surprised these comments are allowed to stand:

 

[General Disarray]

Callous Trio is a great band name.

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