Culture The Losing Battle to Beat Antisemitism in the Age of Misinformation - Arizona has mandated Holocaust education but so far it has failed to match the onslaught of denial on social media.

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The Losing Battle to Beat Antisemitism in the Age of Misinformation
Politico (archive.ph)
By Bryan Bender
2024-04-27 11:00:00GMT

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Author Bryan Bender interviews the "interactive biography" of Holocaust survivor Oskar Knoblauch. | Sarah Adler for POLITICO

PHOENIX — On a recent afternoon in the state’s oldest synagogue, a college sophomore sat in front of a large video screen and posed an age-old question to the recorded image of a balding man in a blue dress shirt, fidgeting in an armchair.

“What is antisemitism?” the young woman inquired. After a few seconds — the time it took for a natural language processing program to engage — the man on the screen began to speak. His voice was gravelly but clear and still retained a hint of his childhood in Leipzig, Germany, during World War II.

“Antisemitism is like crabgrass,” Oskar Knoblauch, a 98-year-old Holocaust survivor, responded. “It always appears after a rainy season. When it’s dry, you don’t see them. They reappear again. Sometimes, maybe in a small way, sometimes worse. We have to control it.”

The real Knoblauch, a lifelong activist who has visited dozens of Arizona schools and community centers to share his life story, is among a quickly dwindling group who can still bear witness to the extermination of 6 million Jews and millions of others by Nazi Germany eight decades ago. Even the youngest survivors are reaching the end of their natural lives; it is estimated that by 2030 only 100,000 Holocaust survivors worldwide will remain.

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Holocaust survivor Oskar Knoblauch talks to students from Ingleside Middle School at a performance of "Music and the Holocaust." | Courtesy of Arizona Jewish Historical Society

Knoblauch’s “interactive biography” — some 2,000 of his responses have been recorded, allowing people like the college sophomore to have extended “conversations” with him and other survivors — will be a featured exhibit in what organizers at the Arizona Jewish Historical Society envision as a state-of-the-art Holocaust and genocide education facility. There are scores of Holocaust museums in the United States, with at least a half-dozen now being constructed or revamped, but Phoenix stands out as the largest American city without one. The timing of the new project, called the Hilton Family Holocaust Education Center for the primary funders, has coincided auspiciously with the effort by Arizona lawmakers on both sides of the aisle to enhance Holocaust education in the state’s public schools. This combination of private initiative and legislative mandate has made Arizona something of a laboratory for how to devise innovative teaching methods. The growing consensus is that to overcome the dehumanizing partisanship of social media young people need to be trained to empathize with victims of oppression, not just presented with dry textbook facts.

In 2021, the state Legislature passed a law that required students be introduced to the Holocaust at least twice between grades 7 and 12, joining more than two dozen other states that have enacted similar mandates over the decades, producing what most advocates agree have been mixed results. Arizona still has no official curriculum, or dedicated funding to support related programs and teacher training, and no formal mechanism to ensure school districts are following the law.

“What we are doing isn’t working in its own right,” Volker Benkert, a professor of German and European history at Arizona State University who studies the roots of genocide and is advising the education center organizers, told me. “I’m worried that we are building a Holocaust museum with narratives of the past.”

A recent poll by YouGov and The Economist found that one in five young Americans believe the Holocaust is a myth. A United Nations review in 2021 of thousands of posts on social media sites such as Facebook, X (formerly Twitter), TikTok, Instagram and Telegram also found that significant percentages of Holocaust-related content either “denied or distorted” the historical facts. On Telegram, it was fully half of all the posts reviewed.

This denial parallels a steep rise in antisemitic rhetoric and violence nationwide that has been supercharged by Israel’s military counteroffensive in Gaza following the Oct. 7 massacre of 1,200 Jews by the terrorist group Hamas. “For a group that represents only about 2.4 percent of the American public, they account for something like 60 percent of all religious-based hate crimes,” FBI Director Christopher Wray testified in October to the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, referring to the population of an estimated 7 million American Jews. Just ahead of the Passover holiday, Wray told Congress last week that between Oct. 7 and Jan. 30, “we opened over three times more anti-Jewish hate crime investigations than in the four months before Oct. 7.”

The effort to reclaim the upper hand in the information war was on display at a community performance not long ago at the Arizona Jewish Historical Society, which operates out of the restored Spanish-style synagogue built in 1921 that will serve as the nucleus of the $30-million education center.

“You are the last generation of students that are going to get to meet and interact and talk to Holocaust survivors,” Lawrence Bell, executive director of historical society, told youngsters from Ingleside Middle School. “Right now, we are in a wave of antisemitism. They are going to say the Jewish people just invented the Holocaust because they want sympathy for all the bad things they do. And you’re going to say ‘No, that’s not true, that’s false. I met a person that was in the Holocaust, that survived it.”

“You are the last generation,” he added, “that is going to be able to say that.”

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Holocaust survivors and supporters asked state lawmakers to require the Holocaust and other genocides to be taught in Arizona schools. | Annabella Piunti/Cronkite New

‘You can’t bury it’
Some of Ben Toma’s earliest memories growing up in Romania were of family road trips to visit his grandparents. Along the route, he was perplexed by a hillside cemetery, walled off, the grave markers painted white.

“I had seen cemeteries, but they are usually around a church,” he recounted to me. “I asked my mom, ‘What is that?’ She finally told me, ‘That’s where the Nazis rounded up a number of Jews and murdered them.’”

The 44-year-old father of five is now the Republican speaker of Arizona’s House of Representatives and a leading supporter of building the new education center, including backing legislation to allocate state funds. “If you don’t educate kids on what happened, you’re more likely to repeat it,” said Toma, who fled the communist regime in Romania with his family in 1986.

He sees the rise of antisemitism, particularly on college campuses, as mostly a well-meaning desire to right wrongs, in many instances overcorrecting for the long and tragic history of the Palestinian people by arguing against Israel’s right to exist. “Some of them are marching for the wrong reasons, out of confusion,” he told me. “Some of them don’t understand what’s actually happening in Israel. But I think there are among them those [who] fundamentally do hate still. At the end of the day, I think that’s evil.”

“There is a long history to [antisemitism] and you can’t bury it,” he added. “If you bury it, these young, idealistic kids will have no idea of what actually happened and what led to the current state of affairs.”

Toma, who invited Holocaust survivors to attend the opening of the legislative session in January, has joined with 30-year-old Democratic state Rep. Alma Hernandez, the first Mexican American Jewish woman to hold elected office in the United States, to ensure the Arizona Holocaust education mandate is met.

Hernandez, the lead sponsor of the original Holocaust legislation in 2021, more recently steered a funding bill through the state Legislature seeking up to $10 million to support the new education center. The final amount is still to be negotiated by House and Senate leaders, including Toma. That’s on top of a $2 million commitment last fall from the city of Phoenix.

There’s a gap, however, between the Legislature’s will and what happens in the classroom.

The superintendent of Arizona public schools, Tom Horne, recently reported that a survey of the state’s 750 districts raises serious questions about whether the mandate is being followed. “That’s why we need a bill giving it some substance, and this survey that we did from superintendents confirms that need because if over half didn’t respond it makes you think, ‘Well, maybe they weren’t doing it or doing it in a very minimal way,’” Horne said.

To remedy that, Hernandez sponsored separate legislation this session to establish a commission to determine how best to ensure the education mandate is carried out, including by assessing the approaches of other states. The bill was signed by Democratic Governor Katie Hobbs this month.

“The law is the law,” Hernandez told me. “But how are we actually ensuring that is being done? We expect students and schools to report any hate crimes, report anything that happens to Jewish students. But what are we doing to actually prevent that from happening? Hate is learned. Kids are not born hating Jews and hating Israel. They learn that over time. They learn that from people in their surroundings. They learn that unfortunately a lot of times from their friends, their parents, social media.”

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Kim Klett, a teacher at Dobson High School, holds up a newspaper story about the Rwandan genocide during her Holocaust literature class. The Holocaust and other genocides share common threads, Klett said, and she compares the relationship between the Germans and Jews to that of the Tutsi and the Hutu five decades later in Rwanda. | Delia Johnson/Cronkite News

‘Social media is like a knife’
Ambassador Deborah Lipstadt, a leading scholar on antisemitism and the Holocaust, calls it “a delivery system unlike any delivery system we ever had before.”
“Social media is like a knife,” Lipstadt, who has served as President Joe Biden’s special envoy for antisemitism since 2021, told me. “In the hands of a surgeon, it can save a life. In the hands of a bad person, it can take a life. On Oct. 7, we saw unleashed a tsunami, an explosion of antisemitism unlike anything I ever witnessed or anticipated in my life.”

Successfully combating these forces depends on countering the proliferation of misinformation and lies and the overly simplistic versions that are often recounted of historical events. “I’m not yet sure what kind of narratives it would take to do that,” Benkert, the ASU professor who hosted the university’s annual Genocide Awareness Week events in April, acknowledged.

Current approaches simply don’t account for how perceptions of Jews have changed. Jews are now a successful minority, with a modern country of their own, no longer the victims of repeated mass persecution. Israel’s prosecution of the war in Gaza and the mounting casualties on the Palestinian side — over 34,000 now, according to some estimates — is being used to reinforce criticism that Israel is no longer a victim but perpetrating war crimes against a defenseless civilian population. A Harris poll conducted with the Center for American Political Studies at Harvard University recently found that two-thirds of Gen Z Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 agreed that “Jews as a class are oppressors and should be treated as oppressors.”

“The problem now is what is happening in Israel complicates this,” said Dan Stone, a professor of modern history and director of the Holocaust Research Institute at Royal Holloway, University of London. “Because the schoolchildren or whoever else goes to a museum, the picture they get as Jews as victims, refugees, stateless people, dying skeletons in the concentration camps in their final days, this contrasts massively with the image we have of Jews today: The opposite of victims — successful, for the most part, in the countries in which they live, and victimizers in the Middle East context. That’s very problematic.”

Other leading educators say they, too, are confronting the realization that the old narratives aren’t getting through.

“We taught about historic antisemitism, to some extent. Not about its manifestations now,” Lauren Apter Bairnsfather, CEO of the Anne Frank Center USA, which is dedicated to preserving the life and legacy of the most famous child victim of the Holocaust, told me. “So you have a lot of confusion among young people and teachers and the people that young people are coming to for answers. I know that our educators really need support.”

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The restored Temple Beth Israel, Phoenix's oldest synagogue, will serve as the nucleus of the new Holocaust Education Center. | Sarah Adler for POLITICO

‘Feel the fear’
In Arizona, organizers want the new center to be the primary resource for public school teachers to carry out the education mandate.

“It became clear that what we were doing with the Holocaust education center project needed to meet the mandates of the state,” Bell, the executive director of the historical society, said. “It needed to be able to serve that population of students. He said it “sort of morphed” from being a “Holocaust museum-type project to being an education center that’s specifically being designed for students from 7th to 12th grade age groups.”

That means catering more to a younger audience, not simply with stories of local Holocaust survivors, artifacts or a timeline of the key events — standard fare in most museums.

“We want it to be a complete experience that inspires all your senses, with color and sound and texture,” Mary Ellen Page, a member of the content committee, told me. The goal is for students to understand “what it was like to have no friends, no one on your side, the law was against you,” to “feel the fear, the disgust, but leave positive and looking forward to the future and to make a difference.”

Patrick Gallagher, president and founder of Gallagher & Associates, the design firm that has been hired to develop and curate the education center, told donors in late March that visitors will experience their own interactive journey that will require them to reflect on what they would choose to do to combat persecution today. “This core narrative will connect students to real world calls to action,” he explained. “These moments are critical for decision-making and will change the outcome of an event, a challenge, or an interaction.”

Gallagher told me his firm, which also designed the National Museum of African American History and Culture and the National World War II Museum, views this project as particularly challenging and acutely important. “Every Holocaust museum in the world is rethinking how to contextualize what is happening today because of the rise of hatred and antisemitism,” he said. “It is a big, big challenge how to deal with antisemitism today. Kids are paralyzed.”

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In Arizona, organizers want the new center to be the primary resource for public school teachers to carry out the education mandate. | Sarah Adler for POLITICO.

Lipstadt thinks it is critical for youngsters to learn how censorship, propaganda, discriminatory policies, and ultimately state-sanctioned dehumanization of Jews by Nazi Germany led to the Holocaust. “Hitler didn’t say on the first day, ‘Let’s kill the Jews,’” she said. “It’s a slow, evolving process. There should be some sense of how this begins.”

That’s also a major message from social media influencers like Montana Tucker, a 31-year-old singer/songwriter, actress and social media activist who is the granddaughter of Holocaust survivors and who has used her platform of millions of followers to produce personal and emotional videos to combat antisemitism.

“There’s so many people that say, ‘The Holocaust can never happen again,’” she told me. “They think it’s ridiculous to compare what is happening now to the Holocaust. If social media was around back then, it would have started with the posts. It doesn’t start with mass murder. It starts with laughing at someone else’s pain. These small moments of hatred and evil eventually add up.”

But Bairnsfather, who was the executive director of the Holocaust Center of Pittsburgh at the time of the mass shooting in 2018 at the Tree of Life synagogue, said she is optimistic the organizers here and Holocaust educators more broadly understand what they need to do.

“You need to offer to emerging adults transformative experiences, an opportunity for a student to interact with the history, and make the meaning of it for themselves,” she said. “Give them an opportunity, whether it’s through leading a tour through an exhibition or being part of a theatrical performance, that takes the experience to another level so that it becomes for the student a personal experience where they can see how this history connects.”

At the community event to help build public support for the new center last fall, members of the Ingleside Middle School choir performed. They silently turned their backs to the audience to reveal large, yellow stars pinned to their dark clothing.

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Top; members of the Ingleside Middle School choir perform "Music and the Holocaust to celebrate the 98th birthday of Oskar Knoblauch. Bottom; Ingleside Middle School students depict some of the Jewish orphans who were deported to Nazi death camps. | Courtesy of the Arizona Jewish Historical Society

They represented 192 Jewish orphans who were deported en masse to the Nazi extermination camps at Treblinka and Auschwitz, a story recounted in the debut performance of “Lost Nursery Rhymes for Innocent Children” by Canadian composer Christie Morrison.

An adult tenor, clutching the hands of two small children, played the role of Janusz Korczak, the Polish Jewish physician who remained with the orphans as they were marched to the gas chambers, “singing together, with beaming faces,” in the words of one eye-witness. “On this train we’ll ride,” the tenor softly instructed the children. “I’ll be right by your side. Hold on tight. You will be all right. We will sing some nursery rhymes.

The choir softly sang traditional lullabies such as “Three Blind Mice” before mimicking the sounds of the train that would transport them to their deaths — the whine of the whistles, the screeching of brakes. Finally, with growing horror on their faces, the choir chanted, “Breathe! Breathe!”, their voices growing steadily fainter as they re-created the orphans’ last moments. “Breathe.”

Addison Trent, 13, a 7th-grader encountering the subject of the Holocaust largely for the first time, told me afterward that “before I joined this project, I didn’t know much about the Holocaust.” But she said that once she learned the material they were to perform, “I cried more than I’d like to admit.”

‘Bombarded with endless streams of shit’
I met Oskar Knoblauch for coffee at the Jewish Historical Society not long before the performance.

“I keep saying, ‘You know, this is deja vu,’ All the rhetoric, all the words they use,” Knoblauch told me. “Unfortunately, conspiracy theories, bullying, lying and giving out misinformation is the new normal in our society. Conspiracy theories even spread through elementary and high schools.” He said he implores the students he meets with to “not to listen to conspiracy theories,” exclaiming, “They’re poison!”

To Stone, the author of The Holocaust: An Unfinished History, that advice gets to the heart of the challenge today of teaching not just the Holocaust but history in general.

“Part of modern education today is teaching children how to distinguish between what’s crap, and what’s not, online,” he said. “That’s one of the most important things they need to learn. Because they are bombarded with endless streams of shit on Snapchat and whatever it is they use. They have to be able to have a filter to work out what’s reliable.”

But he also warned that successfully transmitting the lessons of the Holocaust and the scourge of antisemitism is only one part of controlling the “crabgrass,” as Knoblauch described it in his interactive video.

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Rabbi Jeffrey Schesnol, the project director of Phoenix's new Holocaust Education Center, holds open a book. | Sarah Adler for POLITICO

“It is a much broader social issue,” Stone told me. “When societies are in crisis you can teach all you like about the need for tolerance, but it will go out the window. And antisemitism is very deeply rooted in Western society. What we see is that when there are moments of crisis in society antisemitism flares up again.”

“If there is a rise in antisemitism today,” he added, “it has something to do with Israel, but it also has to do with the crisis that modern liberal democracies are in.”

I asked Knoblauch whether he thinks another Holocaust could take place here. “Yes,” he responded. “That doesn’t mean it’s going to happen against Jews.”
 
Can you just have a wee think about that statement for a moment and wonder if it should spark a teeny tiny little bit of introspection about maybe WHY this keeps happening? You know that saying about if you meet one asshole that’s unfortunate and if everyone you meet is an asshole maybe you’re the problem? If people are constantly hating you it’s proof you’re doing something constantly that they dont like.
All ethnic groups that don't melt into the majority develop the same antipathy. Jews aren't unique here.
This is like excusing Roman Polanski because he made movies you like. Come now.
Hollywood makes good entertainment. Most people there, except for one-offs like Clint Eastwood, are shitheads. It's reasonable to appreciate the art separately from the artist.
 
Let's be real. It happened, I don't think it was six million, and a lot of people other than Jews were rounded up.
But making it illegal to deny was a bad move, it immediately draws suspicion when no other genocide is treated like that. Also, punishing people like that is a really easy way to have people not like you and start to think certain groups have undue power over our society and laws.
 
I've spoken out against anti White policies for a long time and I'm personally sympathetic to White people being told they're the source of original sin vs black people who are magic and dindu nothing.
Good for you, you go in the oven last.

However, how do you stop yourself from falling into the same cycle of self victimization that black people and leftist Jews do?
By arming oneself with knowledge. Step one: noticing. Becoming aware that there is a JQ. It's very empowering.

I've observed groypers and wignats on twitter and all they do is bitch about Jews without actual workable policy. You called the Sartre description of anti semites a strawman but honestly he's pretty accurate to what I've been seeing. How does the White movement self regulate? One of your major leaders is a homosexual Hispanic, you openly accept Italians and Irish as White when even 100 years ago they would have been considered non White subhumans, and your biggest fans are nonwhite Hispanics.
I'm not a yank, so you can shove those strawmen up your arse too. It's Current Year, remember, not 100 years ago. However, Jews have their ethnostate, why can't I have mine?

And, here's a workable policy, that's worked at least a hundred times before: expel the Jews.

Back to Sartre, then. Breaking down some of the excerpt:
The anti-Semite has no illusions about what he is. He considers himself an average man, modestly average, basically mediocre.
Not me, mate.
There is no example of an anti-Semite’s claiming individual superiority over the Jews.
I wouldn't be so sure about that, either.
But you must not think that he is ashamed of his mediocrity; he takes pleasure in it; I will even assert that he has chosen it. This man fears every kind of solitariness, that of the genius as much as that of the murderer; he is the man of the crowd. However small his stature, he takes every precaution to make it smaller, lest he stand out from the herd and find himself face to face with himself. He has made himself an anti-Semite because that is something one cannot be alone.
This is the biggie. Because the opposite applies these days. To be anti-Jew, or anti- Current Thing in general, or even moderately pro-White, is to paint a target on your back - to stand seemingly alone - and to provoke the full power and wrath of the State, or its proxies. One risks being unpersoned, debanked, even prosecuted and imprisoned. And truth is no defence.

An anti-Semitic mob will consider it has done enough when it has massacred some Jews and burned a few synagogues. It represents, therefore, a safety valve for the owning classes, who encourage it and thus substitute for a dangerous hate against their regime a beneficent hate against particular people
He cites, under an article about the battle to defeat anti-semitism. Doesn't really apply any more, does it? That, and Jews are massively over-represented within the owning class!
However, Sartre does correctly identify one of the games that the 'owning class' plays: swap the actors around a little, and we have BLM's Summer of Love, don't we.

In short, Jean-Paul may've had a point or two - once upon a time, in a former iteration of culture - but the times, and the culture, have changed. This is bollocks.
 
anti semitism is inherently irrational and is based out of passion and not actual reason.
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Familiarity breeds contempt.

People have gotten all too familiar with the shenanigans rich, powerful jews have been up to, and in response to criticism deflect as always through antiquity with charges of antisemitism.

If you are jewish, pay attention to the next words carefully.

If you call people antisemitic who aren't, over something that objectively isn't mutually inclusive with antisemitism, you are going to make people into antisemites with a quickness unmatched by even the most persuasive WN on the planet. Stop doing this shit.

Rich jews doing it multiplies this process as they're effectively saying it's inherently jewish to be an asshole.

I am beyond certain that this is a problem that has been ongoing for thousands of years through the sheer inability of jews to recognize that it's jews fucking them over every single fucking time.
The problem has always been jews jewing jews and the jews who got jewed siding with the kike who did it because he's jewish.

The answer to antisemitism is to unironically stop being fucking jewish.
People hate the shit powerful, rich, and evil people who are jews do, and when they start - as one would - thinking it's a problem with all jews due to the antisemitism card being played when you criticize them, start expressing that anger explosively when they get told the equivalent of "no stalker child, it is you who is irrational! Enjoy prison." by some random jewish dude.

If you as a person of banking would like people to stop being anti-semitic, a good start would be recognizing this and pointing out that you're not connected to these people who use your entire race as a shield for their bad behavior. It's the strategy I'd take if I were jewish, at least.
 
If you as a person of banking would like people to stop being anti-semitic, a good start would be recognizing this and pointing out that you're not connected to these people who use your entire race as a shield for their bad behavior. It's the strategy I'd take if I were jewish, at least.
I've done that multiple times, didn't affect anything.

To be anti-Jew, or anti- Current Thing in general, or even moderately pro-White, is to paint a target on your back - to stand seemingly alone - and to provoke the full power and wrath of the State, or its proxies.
You see progressives and Nazis shitting on Jews endlessly. For all your whinging about how being pro White will have you crucified, Nick Fuentes has suffered more from his Jan 6th adventure than for being pro White and he has a large audience. Sure he got kicked off major platforms but when he built his own no one bothered him. There's been more effort to take down KF than there has been to take down cozy.tv or rumble. Twitter openly hosts pro White people with no issues and rumble hosts their content. Censorship of their views essentially doesn't exist anymore.


One risks being unpersoned, debanked, even prosecuted and imprisoned.
Name someone who has been unpersoned or imprisoned for pro White activism.


However, Jews have their ethnostate, why can't I have mine?
You can have it if you fight for it. No state has an inherent right to exist, Zionists fought for Israel instead of sitting around writing theory about why they deserve a state and complaining about the Palestine Mandate. The status of White is degrading though, Italians and Irish are being considered White when just 100 years ago they would be subhumans. Where's your cutoff?
 
Jews are going to be hated regardless. It is amusing to me that the biggest driver of anti semitism on the right is a homosexual Hispanic who pretends to be white. It's either that or Christian larpers who have never heard of the Pact of Umar/how Muslims treated dhimmi. The Muslims/third worlders are a problem too but they've always been hateful due to their mass failures as a people.
People hate Muslims in general far more than Jews. The problem is when Jews get hated they try to ruin peoples lives. The hate for one specific jew, organization, figure, part of the group gets seen as brandishing all and the retaliation begins. At that moment all the Jews in that person's brain becomes aware of Jews acting on behalf of that individual and more.
It's part of the religion that we're always going to be hated and it's constantly proving that the religion is correct. We've constantly been persecuted and we're still around despite the Nazis.
Yet no gratefulness to western countries who helped you out or even admittance of some of the issues caused by Jews that people noticed in the lead up to the Holocaust. It's one thing to set those jews aside from yourself but too many Jews lump them together as one self such as the communist/socialist. It's not a good look.

"We are not a hive mind, but those socialist/communist Jews did nothing wrong." Uh...
Holocaust education does nothing but bore children who don't care that such a thing happened. What should be done is having them meet an actual Jew and talk to them to see that Jews are actual people. There should also be more of an emphasis on the mass suicides towards the fall of Nazi Germany where the Nazi government openly encouraged Germans to commit suicide rather than living under defeat and many Germans complied. Get them to question why so many Germans who believed they were inherently superior would rather kill themselves than face proof that they weren't? Make it relatable instead of boring history stuff.
Because it's too ham fisted. I sought answers to things my teachers didn't know why did Hitler hate the Jews? What was Weimar Germany? The suicides to answer the pretense of what you point out was to avoid a world without National socialism, and a world "Jewry" that wanted white people did. Funny enough if you've ever seen the downfall, or many of the quotes prescribed outside that movie, it paints the picture despite the propoganda against Hitler's claims. It had nothing to do with inferiority or superiority loss. Hitler well believed white genocide would come after the loss of Germany slowly but surely by high figure Jews, and he believed the west would become a degenerate cesspool, and would be flooded by people from the east. Funny how he was right on the money.

Lastly many of us heavily critical of Jews have talk to Jews. The problem is many of you Jews pull these dumb claims of anti-Semite even in the face of honest questions and good faith. My friend who lived in New York trust many of my claims but always hated the Jewish "conspiracy." I pushed that was until 10/7, he criticized Israel (not Jews just their government) one time, one day. Many Jews began shrilly screaming "anti-Semite" and trying to ruin his life, and on that day a few weeks into November he sent me a big apology text, realizing my claims on many Jews had been correct all along. That's how you turn someone benevolent into someone that despises you. It wasn't by an "anti-Semites" conspiracies, or by a self-fulfilling prophecy, it was by Jews doing the same retarded routine about those just merely critical of your government and you turned a partial "Jew defender." Into someone who sees them as disgusting sub-humans. Funny enough, he is a normie who has a worse opinion on Jews in general than I do now.
In your case, probably memes on pol or listening to the sissy hypno that is nick Fuentes. Most online tradcaths get into it through those venues. Very few online anti semites have met or talked with Jews.
This is nonsense. the whole "Nick Fuentes did this, or /pol." Many people get their information from research, second hand and only trust after witnessing it in action and what not. I myself had a Jewish (ethnic and religious) Jew who led me on the trail to the J question, and one of my closest friends I treat like a younger brother just recently found out he has Jewish ancestry in high dosages (He's Italian)... Yet my mindset hasn't changed, nor have their opinions on the situation.
Jews have been hated for being too poor, too rich, too religious, not religious enough etc. I've read someone saying that all the Jews now are Khazar imposters and then a few days later saying how Jews killed Jesus so modern Jews deserve everything that's coming. The inherent contradiction of those two statements didn't occur to him.
I mean Jews have led to destruction of Christianity in quite a few cases, and were indeed behind Jesus's death. Actions consequences yata yata, The problem is not of those metrics, the problem is Jews just can't take an L, have humility about it, or listen to the wrong voices while prescribing the mindless Jew hater to those who will have a reasonable discussion if they drop the pilpul bullshit. No one likes that shit, and it pisses people off and IS an insult to people's intelligence when pulled.
Sartre wrote an essay about anti semitism called Anti Semite and Jew where he comes to the same conclusion, writing about how anti semitism is inherently irrational and is based out of passion and not actual reason.
I'll heavily disagree, it may be based on emotions, but my own dislike for Jews came from pattern logic of debating them, watching the in action, deduction and even circumstantial logic that all connects after researching different events.
The whole essay is worth reading. The celebration of ignorance bit is particularly interesting as I've observed that multiple leading anti semites on Twitter put out posts with really bad spelling mistakes or just flat out being wrong like saying Seoul was in Japan.
Few things, SP's are going to happen. I sometimes have sticky keys and have Israel come out Isreal, some sites the SP doesn't get auto-corrected, and sometimes a mistake will be argued. That doesn't mean the overall argument is wrong just because. It's very common to dismiss the arguments and miss the entire forest for the trees. It's silly and wouldn't be condoned in most rational debates or those operating debate in a stand of good faith.
Just because Jews are guaranteed to face anti semitism doesn't make us victims and the amount of anti semitism is dependent on how religious we are. If Jews as a majority follow the religion then anti semitism is reduced. Every tragedy is a reminder to come back to Hashem. Regarding victimhood we're allowed to fight back. Look at Bar Kokhba and how Jews idolize Masada or how American Jews beat up members of the American Bund. The entire Zionist ideology and their adoption of Muscular Judaism is a vow to no longer take Jew hatred passively. I do agree with you that defining yourself as the victim is a indulgence that a lot of American Jews indulge in but they tend to be on the secular left. The secular right and religious Jews that I know are arming themselves and not allowing victimhood to define them. As an aside, it's interesting how one of the only ethnic self defense groups to be banned in the USA was the Jewish Defense League.
But most of you Jews do act like victims. You even retaliate by painting people with bad brushes. After 10/7, being critical of any Israel government action was met with "You are Hamas." Sure, I didn't specifically see you do this but a few Jewish posters on this site did that outright, and who taught non-Jews (such as random Republicans) to spew that nonsensical rebuke? Jewish figures (Ben Shapiro being one of them)... Which means the origins of that concept was by Jews and I attribute it too Jews for pushing that bullshit. Credit where credit is due. The other problem is sometimes you Jews take something that isn't an attack as an attack and punish people who are by no means malicious, and then complain how everyone is destined to hate you which you did yourself earlier. It wasn't destined to happen, just a bunch of Jews are acting like assholes and some of you may admit some wrong doing but looking at the broader picture seems oblivious to many Jews.
I've spoken out against anti White policies for a long time and I'm personally sympathetic to White people being told they're the source of original sin vs black people who are magic and dindu nothing. However, how do you stop yourself from falling into the same cycle of self victimization that black people and leftist Jews do? I've observed groypers and wignats on twitter and all they do is bitch about Jews without actual workable policy. You called the Sartre description of anti semites a strawman but honestly he's pretty accurate to what I've been seeing. How does the White movement self regulate? One of your major leaders is a homosexual Hispanic, you openly accept Italians and Irish as White when even 100 years ago they would have been considered non White subhumans, and your biggest fans are nonwhite Hispanics.
Few things: White people have had almost no allowable victimhood, why is that not permissible when everyone but whites are allowed to be victims? This creates resentment to ALL non-white groups to those paying attention and noticing patterns.

Two: Many Jews who say they are sympathetic also push anti-white concepts. Ben Shapiro's "Browning of America." Let alone his "accusing any Jew of dual loyalty is anti-Semitic." He is a bad faith actor, not saying you are, but you must understand quite a few Jews talk out the sides of their mouths, and get called on it.

I'd tell you a solution these people would push, but I hate to say it would only lead to expulsion, a ban (fedposting answers here) or something that would confirm your bias suspicions that people hate Jews. The consequence of those actions are what leads people to those solution but you have one thing incorrect here:

The reason the message is spread is so people wake up. Once people are aware of a message THEN they can act not prior. Hence why the bitching is done, and bitching from what we see Kvetching Jews and niggers do, works. So of course whites are often smart enough to realize how to adapt to a situation and win.
Which is why I proposed an alternative model where its less about the holocaust and more about actually meeting Jewish people and humanizing them instead of painting us as eternal victims.
Many of you act like both, you'll say you're strong, but then cry about "nonsensical conspiracies" You'll say it's absurd hatred when directed at leaders while still defending those Jewish individuals and their insane and evil acts, etc.

My favorite example is George Soros: For years any of us who only criticized George Soros, and defended the majority of Jews were called by most Jews online, in person, etc. as a "Anti-Semite dog whistle." "basing on George Soros is actually a hatred of Jews."

It wasn't until George Soros struck at Netanyahu did some Jews start going "Well actually all the evil from Jews is just George Soros." Which is bullshit. Now it's "Well actually it's just leftist Jews/democrats." "Ok there are sects of Jews who believe this." "Alright at least 30% believe this." "Ok over 50% agree with Y." Like it starts to look worse and worse as the admittances and confessions start pouring forth.


The higher minded would see this as him outliving his usefulness to the Jewish community so he's now allowed to be criticized but if that is true, then what other groups are doing evil actions that Jews will blindly defend until they outlive their usefulness. Some of you hide dishonest actions from the majority for years until it comes to the surface and when even the most trusted voices do this (Ben Shapiro again: IE: the face of right wing Jews) Well it starts to make people ponder which one of you aren't hiding shit or doing the opposite of what you claim as well and for good reason. At least black people often times are just not that smart, but Jew's can't make that excuse.
 
I've done that multiple times, didn't affect anything.
Sure, and I get that. If you're jewish and talking to someone who's got it in their head that jews as a people are the problem rather than the individuals/groups who are jewish, it can seem pointless.

But my counterpoint to this would be that it's still worth trying. It's also worth recognizing for yourself, that it does in fact come from somewhere, as I pointed out, because letting it color your rhetoric in such a way that you end up justifying the stereotype only further cements it as a valid opinion.

Like this:
You can have it if you fight for it. No state has an inherent right to exist, Zionists fought for Israel instead of sitting around writing theory about why they deserve a state and complaining about the Palestine Mandate. The status of White is degrading though, Italians and Irish are being considered White when just 100 years ago they would be subhumans. Where's your cutoff?
is just spiteful, tribalistic, racist shit. Again, understandable as you feel attacked for being jewish but do consider that maybe writing something that sounds like it came from a bizarro-universe /pol/ ran by jews isn't really helping to curb the negative opinion both your interlocutors, and observers might have about your ethnic group.

And if I have to go into the why of my distaste for this statement I promise you it will not improve people here's opinion of your ethnic group.

Edit: I tried to find the clip of Dave Smith - notable jewish Libertarian and currently him and his cohost are my favorite political content creators - having this revelation recently and explaining his take on it but I think the episode is currently behind GasDigital's paywall. Still, that's a guy who has said basically what I've been saying for years about this (and what I've said/quoted myself saying in this thread) and iirc his folks were Holocaust surivors.
 
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There's a moment of self-awareness in one of the Halloween movie reboot endless sequels where a spotty Zoomer acts non-plussed with told about Michael Myers. The kid has lived through an era of domestic terrorism, school shootings and non-stop international warfare, economic instability and general current year woes, so why the fuck should he care about a crazy dude who killed a handful of people in a tiny town a lifetime ago? The film doesn't have a clever answer for him.

60 million people died in WW2, 40 million of which were civilians. Yet somehow the democide of one and a half million gypsies, gays, Jews, political dissidents and POWs is to be mandatory education a century later?

The Jews would do better to preserve the memory of everything that happened in a neutral manner.
 
“We taught about historic antisemitism, to some extent. Not about its manifestations now,” Lauren Apter Bairnsfather
“I’m worried that we are building a Holocaust museum with narratives of the past.”
Well these are your exact problems. [Some] Jews demand worship NOW for what happened to other Jews in the now-distant* past. It's not history, it's religion. This naturally invites the same response Christians get: "this did not happen".

Imagine your great-grandpa was murdered during a burglary, and the burglar then set the house on fire: how much social cachet does it gain you? Why should modern Jews be treated differently? Yeah, there were many death, but for each individual descendant of victims, it's just a few deaths, something that happens all the fucking time IRL.

Kids are not born hating Jews and hating Israel.
Some of them are! Maybe you shouldn't have imported their parents!

The choir softly sang traditional lullabies such as “Three Blind Mice” before mimicking the sounds of the train that would transport them to their deaths — the whine of the whistles, the screeching of brakes. Finally, with growing horror on their faces, the choir chanted, “Breathe! Breathe!”, their voices growing steadily fainter as they re-created the orphans’ last moments. “Breathe.”
Holy fuck!

And no doubt there won't be lots of education about the Holodomor and the Armenian Genocide.
The hohlodomor is fake but it should've happened. Unfortunately the alleged period of hohlodomor was the height of nationalism in the USSR, when each Republic (except mainland Russia) was supposed to be ruled by its nominal ethnicity.
 
I remember the first Jew I ever saw, I was in grade school and they brought this old Jewish 'survivor' in to lecture and harangue us all. I was first surprised when he showed us his number tattoo, in the low tens of thousands - why would there be any low numbers remaining? Then even my grade-school dumbass brain started throwing up questions when he described escaping three death camps by A) holding his breath, B) walking backwards and C) pretending to have a heart attack, How was this guy able to escape what had been described as the most efficient and genocidal regime in history without being cremated? I had so many questions, many of which were answered shortly thereafter when he explained that we should all feel guilty for the acts of Germans (despite this being in America) and we had all better be ready to grow up and die for Israel like good little goyim.

Ever since then every Jew I've met has lived up to the stereotypes of being greedy cowards eager to knife me in the back, personally. Every time I read an article arguing for my genocide, its written by a Jew or financed by Jews. The Jews finance and run organizations dedicated to my genocide, they openly brag and fantasize about committing atrocities to my family for the crime of being White. At every level the Jew had dedicated their lives to my destruction, despite everything my nation and race has done for them.

Anything except opposition and self-defense to this continued threat against me, my family, and my race is simply suicide.

Name someone who has been unpersoned or imprisoned for pro White activism.
I'm sure you'll find some way to excuse this, but whatever. They'll disguise or charge pro-White activists under an umbrella of vague hate speech or littering laws. Look up Samuel Melia, jailed for the crime of producing and posting pngs on the internet with pro-White messages. That's at least one, Jew, which is one more than the number of gassed Jew bodies produced to prove the lollercaust.
 
Zionists fought for Israel instead of sitting around writing theory about why they deserve a state and complaining about the Palestine Mandate.
LMAO, jews didn't do shit. Britain did everything including bleeding herself almost to death through sacrificing her empire only for kikes to immediately start terrorizing and blowing up the British to force them out. King David Hotel bombings. Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine. Wish I could have gone back in time to show Britain how much the jews would 'thank' them for saving them from le ebil nazis, and jews have the temerity to wonder why they are not liked. Backstabbers absolute.
 
Very few online anti semites have met or talked with Jews.
Are you sure this is the case? Ive found that no argument or evidence of historic precedent has ever been as convincing propaganda as a genuine repeated interaction with the jewish community. Unfaithful businessmen, disrespectful guests, bad neighbors, and nepotistic leadership, just generally people have bad experiences with the insular culture. Sure there are a lot of online schizos and retards on the bandwagon, but the ball got rolling, and keeps rolling due fundamentally to cultural abrasion.
 
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