Culture I’ve joined the sisterhood of divorced women. We’re happier set free - I was left feeling like the mistake wasn’t getting divorced, but marrying in the first place.

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‘Staying and trying to make our marriages work was slowly killing us.’ Photograph: Westend61/Getty Images

Women initiate 70% of divorces. My separation was difficult – but friends and strangers reassured me it wasn’t a mistake

Changing my car insurance was one of the many things on my list. “I need a quote for just me and my car,” I told the customer service representative. “My husband and I are getting divorced.”

“I can help you with that,” the woman on the phone said. She paused. “I’ve been through it myself. It’s just one foot in front of the other for a while.”

“I still have to get health insurance,” I said laughing. “This seemed easier.”

I never wanted to be divorced. As a young woman looking at the “failed” marriages around me, I promised myself I would do better. Yet, seven years into my own marriage, I came to realize that many of us women were happier set free. Staying and trying to make them work was slowly killing us.

Until my husband and I separated and then started the legal disentanglement known as divorce, I hadn’t realized that to become a divorcee was to become part of a sisterhood.

It had been devastating for a moment, she explained, but then it was like the clouds opened

When I told my veterinarian that it was difficult to schedule things because I now shared custody of my dogs with my former husband, she nodded. I’d started tearing up; she kindly ignored it. At this point, I was still figuring out where I would live and how I would support myself after years of relying on his much higher income. On her way out of the room, she stopped by the door. “I went through the same thing a few years ago,” she said. “It’s hard, but I was so much happier on the other side.”

And on a recent trip where I saw one of my mother’s friends – whom I’d known my whole life but never talked to much – we got into a long conversation about her husband who’d left her. It had been devastating for a moment, she explained, but then it was like the clouds opened, letting in the kind of weather you forget exists after a long period of storms.

“I’ll never get married again. Why do I need a man to take care of?” she told me. She had her friends, her kids, her career. She owned her own home. When I was growing up, no one had ever told me that marriage might not be something to chase after.

When I told my mother, who has been married multiple times, that I was thinking about divorcing, we had our first honest conversation about her marriages. For years, it had been an offhand joke that she’d been in so many “failed marriages”. But her first husband died, leaving her a widow in her early 20s. My father, her second husband, had stopped providing for us financially when I was a toddler – at least as a single mother, she had one fewer person to take care of. Another husband had left her.

I was left feeling like the mistake wasn’t getting divorced, but marrying in the first place.

Nearly 70% of divorces are initiated by women. One 2013 Kingston University study that charted how people felt before and after major life events found that women who get divorced aren’t just happy with their choice, but happier than they’ve been, on average, throughout their lives.

At one point during our separation, my now former spouse told me that I was acting selfishly. He meant it as an insult; it made me feel like I was doing the right thing. After my marriage ended, I found myself newly focused on prioritizing things that really mattered to me: making space for friends, creativity, and simple things that brought me joy like taking long walks outside, or playing music early in the morning when he’d been asleep.

For years, I had put him ahead of myself – I didn’t let myself get upset about things I knew he wouldn’t change. I didn’t consider travel, which would keep me away from home for too long, even when I wanted to go, and I didn’t even let myself consider whether I wanted children since I knew my husband did not. For me, marriage was like getting on to a long highway and forgetting that other roads existed. Once I considered leaving, all I saw were the off-ramps and detours I could have taken along the way.

In one 2018 study, researchers found that women often experience a 27% decline in household income after separation and a greater risk of poverty, whereas men can see a 10% increase in their standard of living. In other studies that found declines for both men and women post-separation, women are still financially worse off. Yet we are still happier. Women I knew who had left relationships that no longer worked for them didn’t hesitate in assuring me that I was doing the right thing.

As my hairdresser told me: “Divorce is expensive because it’s worth it.” She added that all the coolest women she knew were divorced and sighed almost wistfully at the thought of it.

I took a part-time job at a restaurant to pay the bills after I moved out. My first month there, a couple at one of my tables got engaged and another large party came in for dinner – bride, groom, and family all fresh from the wedding. It felt almost comical, like the universe was playing a too-on-the-nose joke. A few months later, I served a couple at the bar. When it was time to pay, the woman got out her card but the man stopped her. “You’re not paying. We’re celebrating.”

I asked them what the occasion was – people get free desserts for anniversaries or birthdays – and they paused and looked at each other.

“She got divorced today,” the man said, somewhat under his breath.

“Me too!” I said brightly. “Last week.” We congratulated each other and started talking like old friends.

The man had been divorced twice. This was her first.

“Let me ask you this,” he said. “Would you get married again?”

I wasn’t sure. I wanted a long-term relationship but didn’t know what I would get out of a legal marriage.

“She’s a definite no,” he said, then leaned playfully toward the woman’s shoulder. I suddenly realized that the two of them were in love. “But I would.” They looked into each other’s eyes and smiled.

This seems to be how it plays out for men and women. A Pew Research survey found that a majority of divorced women aren’t sure they want to remarry. Most men do. Recently, I read an article about older women who refuse to marry long-term partners (again or for the first time). One of them “got engaged” to her partner and even wears a ring. They’ve been engaged for 15 years. Maybe that’s the ultimate goal. (I think “fiancé” is a much better word for a significant other than “boyfriend” anyway.)

On the phone with the car insurance agent, we went back and forth on coverage and deductibles. She set me up with insurance that would go into effect once the old plan ended. “I wish I could help with the rest of it but at least this is off your list now,” the customer service divorcee said.

She wished me all the best, with a tone in her voice that made me feel like she knew there were only good things ahead of me.

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A disconnect in wanting kids is a deal breaker or it should be. Why didn’t they discuss this before marriage? Or was one party led on? There’s a lot more needed I think here before you can say WHY she left him.
 
The main reason in people I’ve known is resentment - the magic goes when you’re tired and feel like you’re doing everything. Oddly the men have insisted that they simply didn’t do the washing up one time and she exploded and the women will tell of twenty years of picking up skidmarked undies and exhaustion from work and doing everything around the house. I do not think I know a single couple where the woman has not complained about this to me at some point, even if the men insist they do their fair share, which shows an interesting disconnect in reality and perception.

Marriage should be something entered into soberly, and I think you do have to work at it. Communication and acknowledgement that life has ups and downs is key as well

Women are also wising up to the fact that they can easily get half and the home when they get bored

People's standards and to be honest, delusional thinking is getting worse and they think that a marriage is 100% awesome with ZERO issues.

In the real world it's work and people change as they age and if you don't communicate it's over.

The women you mentioned who got fed up after 20 years probably didn't say shit for decades until one day they just snapped and had a gigantic fight and decided "that's it I'm leaving"

Meanwhile decades ago you'd put up with as long as or in some cases even if you're is getting beaten or he's having a mistress on the side.

However, now, there is zero shame, stigma or real consequences for saying "I didn't like him anymore" and leaving.



I'm 99% sure that I got this link from KF somewhere but I'm reposting it cause I thought it was a great video. Tl;dw: get a pre-nup. But it's definitely worth the listen.


This lawyer, like many of the people this channel interviews, is a sort of degenerate.

His job depends on a steady supply of women initiating divorces.

Also, he's rich and good looking, of course he's having a blast fucking every 20 something golddigger he meets online.

Most men DON'T get to do that
 
I do not think I know a single couple where the woman has not complained about this to me at some point, even if the men insist they do their fair share, which shows an interesting disconnect in reality and perception.
different standards most likely
plenty of mens idea of "keeping the house clean" is something like vacuuming the carpets for half an hour once a month, whereas a significant amount of women will go crazy if they catch so much as a whiff of dust anywhere in the house

so when the man says "i do my share of the chores" he is referring to the fact that he is indeed vacuuming the carpets for half an hour every other month, while the woman who complains about having to do everything herself is referring to the 6+ hours of various fine grain cleaning tasks she is doing every single week (the man is neither aware of this, nor does he notice the results)
 
I need to remember to watch First Wives Club again. I remember being amused by it back in the day.

I feel like one day I might do a whole essay on when, where and why Boomers started treating marriages as disposable things.
It just sort of crept into the culture, but then I was watching some TV shows from the 80s and whenever a divorce was mentioned one of the parties would say "I just wasn't happy" and they put all the emotion in the world into the word "happy" and I always thought that was a stupid reason to break up a family.
Life is not supposed to be 24/7 bliss.

Divorce rate in America skyrocketed from the 1970s on, partially because women got more financial rights. It wasn't until 1974 that a woman could even get a credit card in her own name, after all.

I need to stop before I actually do write that essay I threatened.
 
Not a guaranteed way to protect yourself anymore. Activist and feminist judges are starting to treat prenups like toilet paper because "muh poor woman losin her martial home!"

I'm not getting married anytime soon, but I've always enjoyed the legal thought experiment of putting large shared marital assets like a house into a limited liability company or a corporation and have that entity hold the asset, since then there is a very real and very well defined partner/shareholder agreement including partner separation clauses that activist judges can't just fart all over in a divorce situation like they're starting to do to prenups.
If you really wanted to do it you'd have some sort of "forced liquidation" contract that would liquidate everything in favor of the kids or the cat or something.

But the courts would probably just ignore it.

Don't get married until you find some bitch you can fight with without either of you going nuts.
 
It just sort of crept into the culture, but then I was watching some TV shows from the 80s and whenever a divorce was mentioned one of the parties would say "I just wasn't happy" and they put all the emotion in the world into the word "happy" and I always thought that was a stupid reason to break up a family.
Life is not supposed to be 24/7 bliss.
Facts. The average ADD, Instagram, SSRI riddled brainlet cannot handle this. Combine that with the ease and financial benefit of divorce and you've officially ruined the family unit.
 
Women are also wising up to the fact that they can easily get half and the home when they get bored
For sure, but if you’ve both worked full time and both paid for the deposit and mortgage it’s a joint asset.
The women you mentioned who got fed up after 20 years probably didn't say shit for decades until one day they just snapped and had a gigantic fight and decided "that's it I'm leaving"
I’m not so sure. Most seem to have started off asking, then devolved into nagging before just giving up. Again, it’s about communication, and also it’s not rocket science, leaving your stuff around for one person who also works full time to pick up isnt considerate. Someone being told off for not having things perfect, that’s not fair. Someone doing nothing, no cleaning ever when you can see the kitchen needs the dishes done and the bins out is taking the piss.
different standards most likely
Yeah this for sure, to a point. Significant mismatch on standards is an issue. If she’s expecting socks to be ironed and he’s doing the laundry and just folding it and away that’s not something to get het up over. But if he’s literally never cleaned the bathroom, or the kitchen, or done a load of laundry (or deliberately shrunk the laundry so she won’t ask again) that’s again inconsiderate.
The couples I know who are happier long term are the ones who have a system that works for them. They have their tasks each and they do them. That’s not even necessarily half and half of everything, but it’s always a clear delineation of tasks with both parties feeling like they are doing roughly half the total load, and no resentment.
I know an older couple, four kids raised and flown and she said she she’d cooked meals three times a day for 25 years and never wanted to cook ever again. He’s retired, loves cooking and does it all. Kitchen is his domain, rest of the house hers. Obviously if he’s unwell she cooks but they worked out what they wanted to do and they’re happy.
It’s that feeling that you’re doing everything and someone is taking the piss - that’s what kills love and it’s really, really common.
 
A disconnect in wanting kids is a deal breaker or it should be. Why didn’t they discuss this before marriage? Or was one party led on? There’s a lot more needed I think here before you can say WHY she left him.
every divorce is a little different, but in this case there are some pretty big hints:

his much higher income.
I wanted children ... my husband did not
I took a part-time job at a restaurant to pay the bills after I moved out.
even though he had always been up front about not wanting children, she still liked his money and was banking on being able to change his mind. i wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of ultimatum by her that was conveniently left out of the article. there's always the possibility of the man being rich enough where he dumped her and moved on to a younger model a la johnny depp, but if the husband did something like that we'd probably be hearing about it nonstop in the article
 
Oddly the men have insisted that they simply didn’t do the washing up one time and she exploded and the women will tell of twenty years of picking up skidmarked undies and exhaustion from work and doing everything around the house.
This is a communication issue.
Women pull the "pillow princess" thing at the relationship level, then get pissed when men without feedback don't do anything different.
That's why the man just sees an explosion and divorce out of nowhere.
 
lol, what? they're animals, not children


it's great that she didn't have kids, since they'd probably just be a gameboard piece to inflict maximum suffering on her husband and get maximum sympathy from all the business workers she's whining to for attention

also, for a good laugh, here's a picture of the author
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And this is how she might look years later. :story:
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This is a communication issue.
Women pull the "pillow princess" thing at the relationship level, then get pissed when men without feedback don't do anything different.
That's why the man just sees an explosion and divorce out of nowhere.

Exactly. The "WE WEREN'T COMMUNICATING" spiel happens after the divorce is initiated, not before.

that's because there's a recognized cascade effect. Woman 1 gets divorced, then convinces her female friends to do the same (Just like this article) so she can have a circle of friends she lost when married. There or there abouts... bucket of crabs.

Oh yes, they'll all circlejerk each other off about how great divorce is
 
Women pull the "pillow princess" thing at the relationship level, then get pissed when men without feedback don't do anything different.
That's why the man just sees an explosion and divorce out of nowhere.
Or the woman has persistently told the man about the issue, what's driving her crazy and he just tunes her out as a nag, she's a bitch and won't get off his case, and he'll do it later anyway (it never gets done), so here's a small shut-up chore or gift to make it seem like he's doing something so everything's okay now, right? Now suck my dick for doing that one little thing! Wait, what do you mean you've had enough? Ah wimmin, right? They never communicate!
 
Am at the age now where plenty of people I know have divorced and yes it’s almost always the woman who initiates. At the same time, I think for the cases where there’s hasn’t been cheating or beating, the main reason has been resentment. Perhaps if you mix in circles where you can bag a hedge fund manager or footballer and rinse him, ymmv. But for bog standard gen x the usual reasons for divorce as far as I’m seeing it are
1. He cheated or hit her (about a third)
2. She cheated, about a third
3. He’s treated her like a maid for twenty years, she’s been looking after three kids, working full time and doing all the housework. She’s had enough, he’s comfy
4. The above but sexes swapped (only seen two like this and in both cases the man had an affair which ended things.)
One thing which is almost universal: Men almost never end a marriage without somewhere else to go. Women do.
The main reason in people I’ve known is resentment - the magic goes when you’re tired and feel like you’re doing everything. Oddly the men have insisted that they simply didn’t do the washing up one time and she exploded and the women will tell of twenty years of picking up skidmarked undies and exhaustion from work and doing everything around the house. I do not think I know a single couple where the woman has not complained about this to me at some point, even if the men insist they do their fair share, which shows an interesting disconnect in reality and perception.

Marriage should be something entered into soberly, and I think you do have to work at it. Communication and acknowledgement that life has ups and downs is key as well.

Another quality post by Otterly.

In my limited experience I've seen divorces initiated by both men and women. The one that was started by a woman... Well, let's just say she'd be crazy enough to deserve her own thread. After divorce, she tried to seduce some Croatian man (who rebuffed her, lucky for him), then found some annoying ass 50-something "businessman", married him, used her daughters to raise her third baby from that man, adopted another mentally ill boy, made his situation worse, then divorced her second husband, tried to return the said kid to orphanage (now a teen)... All while writing to a local newspaper about it like it's her personal blog.

All I'm saying is, that you can't easily dump the fault of divorce on one sex or another, it's always, always a deeply complicated personal affair and anyone can be the crazy. Or both.
 
Or the woman has persistently told the man about the issue, what's driving her crazy and he just tunes her out as a nag, she's a bitch and won't get off his case,

Reality,

Woman says this one thing really annoys her.
Smart man stops doing that one thing, path of least resistance.
Happy right?
No, now there's the next thing that really annoys her.
Repeat.

Man realizes that anything he does to correct and keep the peace doesn't matter because a new "Really annoying thing" rises to the top spot and it doesn't end.

Man gives up it's a losing battle.
 
Women also experience similar with their negging boyfriends. He doesn't like the way she dresses, it attracts too much male attention. She stops dressing up so much. Now she's a boring slob who is letting herself go, so he gives her the cold shoulder and starts eyeing up other women. She works hard to make herself fit his ideals, chasing increasingly impossible goals while he nitpicks and snipes about not liking her spending time on that one hobby she really likes (it's taking her attention away from him!) That pet she really loves? He's decided he hates it, so now it's got to go. Her family? An annoyance, she's got to stop seeing them. He nitpicks and nitpicks until she's a hollow shell of her former self, spirit broken and the guy has the temerity to wonder why she no longer loves him. Seen it happen more often than I care to.
 
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