The End of Liberalism as a political philosophy. - The Monarchists were right. The grand experiment has failed.

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I will preface this post by saying I am basically doing a deep thunk on something that has been bothering me for awhile now, and has only just started crystalizing in my head. So this post should be read not as a "definitive articulation", but more me throwing a theory out there in the bar over a beer, to see if it lands. If it does, a part of me kinda wants to actually do the full research and write a book.

PART I. Introduction and summarized history


Recently, I made a post in a the happenings thread about the recent bout of campus protests over the Israel-Hamas war. In it, I mused that these protests, and much of the ideology underpinning them highlights the critical flaw at the heart of Liberalism as a concept, in all forms. Not just what we would call "Liberals" in the modern sense, but Liberalism itself, from the current definition being screamed on our college campuses all the way back to Locke and Jefferson. That all men are at the fundamental state of nature "equal" in the eyes of nature or natures god, and that as such they all possess individual sovereign rights that are inalienable.

Since the moment this idea was expounded it lit a match underneath the discontent that was seething in Europe in the wake of the Protestant reformation and the massive expansion of European Colonial enterprises. Most of which it should be noted failed, or succeeded only in the sense of transplanting Europeans to new areas and basically working them like Serfs in service to the central authority. All of which were invariably monarchies buttressed by landed aristocrats. The Rise of Liberalism also coincided with the concept of Absolute Monarchs such as the Kings of France and Russia. Which it should be noted were exceptions and not the rule, but made convenient targets for Liberal revolutionaries to pillory. More importantly though, the ossified noble classes of Europe had no institutional method by which to integrate the noveau riche of the middle class who, enriched by the explosion of global trade colonialism brought, began agitating for the respect and social standing their wealth brought. Especially when their wealth soon eclipsed that of the established nobility and monarchs whose wealth was tied to their landed estates. Which was a huge disadvantage. The Duke of Anjou certainly made a killing off of wine. But just down the road from his estate was Goodman Le Pierre who was heavily invested in Sugar from Haiti and Furs from Louisiana. He was absolutely killing the Duke of Anjou year after year per capita. But was he invited to the soirees at Versailles or even the Duke of Anjou's house? Fuck no.

The common conceit of Liberalism is that it was a revolt of the "Common Man" against the evil and overbearing Kings. But this is not the entire truth. Had it simply been a revolt of the unwashed masses it would not have been an issue for the established governments that it would inevitably overthrow or subvert. Unfortunately for the old world order, what was at issue was the exploding power of the merchant class and later industrial class. In the case of the American Revolution this was the entire point. The Merchants of New England and the Landed Aristocrats of Virginia and the Carolinas were infuriated that the King of Great Britain refused to grant them royal charters for trade and patents of nobility respectively. Far from being a revolt of the common man the American Revolution was a literal rolodex of the wealthiest merchants and landowners in the 13 colonies. The common man was an afterthought that was used to justify the whole thing in a liberal framework, pushed largely by hard core revolutionaries like Jefferson and Paine. After the war there was a determined effort to try and roll things back but the cat was "out of the bag" by that point.

A mere decade later the French revolution got underway, complete with flowery speeches, proclamations and wonderful works similar to the Declaration of Independence in North America. But unlike in America, the French revolution soon descended into mass slaughter known as the Terror. The Revolutionary government murdered the royal family for no other reason then that they were the royal family. Completely defying the once flowery idea of all men being equal. Some were just more equal then others. Ultimately the revolution would be taken over by Napoleon Bonaparte, who would establish absolute rule around his own person and then eventually crown himself "Emperor" of France in a ceremony that was essentially a liberal mockery of actual royal coronations where he had the pope brought at gun point to crown him, only to snatch the crown from the popes and put it on his own head. Needless to say this was not lost on the other Kings of Europe and they fought a brutal war against Napoleon to try and put the genie back in the bottle. But they were just delaying the inevitable. Liberalism is a seductive idea. Who doesn't want to believe that they are their own special snowflake? That no matter who you are, your life is as equally valuable as anyone else's, no matter how much more productive, intelligent, influential, or any other spectrum of social value, that other person may be. By the close of World War 1, Liberalism prevailed in totality with Woodrow Wilsons plan and the establishment of a new liberal international order. One that was solidified at the close of World War 2 with the victory of the Allied Powers. Monarchs from 1945 on with few exception have been relegated to largely ceremonial positions in favor of the Liberal Democracy that at best tolerates these ancient appendages as useful tools of state power.


PART II. Where I break the conditioning.

Its important to now point out before I proceed that you are conditioned. You have grown up in a world where the 300 year experiment in Liberal political theory is not just considered a theory, it is considered the very nature of the Universe. You believe, without even thinking it that all men are created equal and endowed by the creator with certain inalienable rights. If you don't believe that, or assume that someone doesn't believe that, then the person who "does not believe" must either be mentally defective, or adheres to one of the "bad ideologies" such as fascism or communism. Addressing the big bads of the 20th century briefly however, it must be pointed out that Fascism and Communism are also Liberal in their outlook. Communism is simply Liberalism taken to its logical conclusion. If we are all equal under Natures God, why should someone else be entitled to more food then me? Better food then me? A bigger house? Why can they own property but I must rent from them? Why must power imbalances exist at all? Liberalism has no answer to this because it CANNOT answer it. Fascism by contrast focuses instead on the Liberal State itself as an example of Virtue. A Stand in for the dead Gods and Kings, where all the people have a common purpose in mutual service to each other to build the best State possible. The State is of course always the best it can be, because it cannot be anything but. A pure example of the popular will of all the free thinking special snowflakes that make it up. All within the State, none without the State.

More importantly though, nobody has stopped to realize that even among establishment political parties in the West, ALL OF THEM, are Liberal. They all operate under a Liberal framework of doctrine. They all espouse the implementation of Liberal doctrine at the State level. The only differentiating factor between them is in how stridently they demand it and what particular facets of Liberal orthodoxy they choose to favor. Worse, there is now a kind of "stand alone complex" among all the Liberal Democracies that has been lovingly dubbed "Globo Homo". A grand international conspiracy of Liberals out to trans the kids and import a million Africans. But it is NOT a Conspiracy. Its the ideology of the State, the Liberal Ideology, being applied correctly in the States where it has gained power. If all men are created equal, then an African off the boat from Nigeria is just as valid a citizen as someone born in the country he moved too. The Liberal Democracies are simply applying the ideology as it dictates.

Critics of Liberalism as a political philosophy warned stridently that the corrupt Liberal Democracies of today, as well as Fascism and Communism would be the end result of ALL Liberal political revolutions and experiments. Most of the Liberal Revolutions, particularly in the case of the Russian, French and Chinese revolutions, were revolutions driven by resentment on the part of the middle class, as much as they were the downtrodden poor. Its no accident all the great commies of the 20th century, from Lenin to Castro, to Pol Pot were ALL born to wealthy families who could afford to give their little princelings very expensive educations. In the case of Pol Pot, he actually attended University in Paris where he joined the French Communist Party. Which it should be noted, is still a political party you can vote for in France. More importantly, this resentment of the social superiors in the hierarchy of society is something Liberalism engenders by DEFAULT. Because the idea that "all men are created equal" is a LIE. This is absolutely, not true at all. Some men are born retarded. Some men are actually born as women and have to bleed out a fucking hole once a month, or become gravid for 9 months if they don't. Some men are born into families of drunkards and abusers. Some men are born with critical genetic abnormalities that doom them to misery. So for Liberalism to work, it must seek to ameliorate all the inequalities that confound society, because if it did not it will never EVER live up to its core ethos. A never ending, ceaseless struggle to achieve utopia. An utopia that will not come, and CANNOT come. But ever is the struggle, and the search for "enemies" that must surely be standing in the way of the promised utopia becomes unceasing. The Fascists blamed the Jews. The Communists blamed the Bourgeoise, and the modern Liberals blame the Chuds/White Men. Ever is there an enemy standing in the way of progress. And the one thing Liberalism has been VERY good at, its building functional states that are very efficient at killing enemies of progress.

The established Aristocracy viewed the Noveau Riche (who were wildly into Liberalism) with deep suspicion for this very reason. Not just because they knew very well that the central conceit of Liberalism was a lie (After all, if it was true, then why were they so much better), but also because their wealth was not "of the land". It came from trade. Which meant they didn't truly have any loyalty to the country or its people. A French Banker can do business wherever he wanted too. The Duke of Anjou on the other hand could only do business IN ANJOU. If shit hit the fan, the Banker would flee, but the Duke would stay and defend his land. Defenders of the old order excoriated Liberalism's claim of "all men being equal" in large part because it implied that the wealthy Merchants were just as valid inheritors of State power as they were. The "common man" was not a consideration here as the common man was no threat. But the merchants most certainly were. As Liberalism ascended in power the last few traditionalists to cling to relevance warned that the day would come with these avaricious up starts would sell their own countries to the highest bidder, and then the "common man" would realize that all the wonderful platitudes of equality won't amount to anything. Because equality as a concept is a LIE.


PART III. The Traditionalist and Monarchist position.

All men are not created equal. They are endowed by their creator to serve the purpose to which the creator has ordained. For some, the Creator has ordained that they rule. For others that they serve. And for those misbegotten it is to suffer. But this is by no means a claim to predestination or fatalism, because none may know the creators will. And so a Prince born to be King may instead be thrown from a window to his death in favor of something else. Or an orphan born on the street may be discovered to have keen intellect and through proper education that manifests their born ability may rise in social standing. Likewise some may find their purpose to be the alleviation of suffering on the part of the misbegotten.

The Role of the State in this paradigm is not to establish equality. Its not preserve rights such as speech, guns, voting, etc, it is to preserve the natural order of God's plan. As such, the leaders of the State must focus on their Charge. Which is the State itself, and all the people who live upon it. Those "born of the land" as subjects to the State are the sole concern of he or she who rules over them, because God himself has delivered those people into their care. They must preserve them in their health, see too it that they are not deprived of their property, not rendered incapable of productive work through injurious taxation or policing, to keep the foreign barbarians from despoiling their lands, and most important of all, to be held in the safety and capability of creating the next generation of subjects.


I have up to this point studiously avoided saying "King or Queen" in this description of a pre-(or is it post) Liberal State. But I am at pains to consider a viable alternative. Voting is by nature anarchic, and the Monarchists (correctly) warned that "the people" if given free reign would vote to enrich themselves at the expense of the State. One need just look at what the Federal Government of the United States (or any Liberal Democracy really) are spending their entire GDP and then more so in the form of debt, upon. Is it wars of national defense? Exploring Space? No. Its providing benefits. Largely to fulfill the principle liberal conceit that if all men are not equal yet, then the State isn't trying hard enough to bring about this universal truth. This is not to say that the Monarchies and Traditional societies are not prone of profligate spending either. One look at Versailles disabuses this notion. Greed is sadly the common state of man. However, the big difference between a modern liberal state and the Traditional one has been that when a traditional state runs out of money, it RUNS OUT OF MONEY. The Army stops getting paid. Government contracts stop getting paid, and the King in short order finds himself sitting very uncomfortably on the throne. If not just getting turfed out entirely. When Liberal States run out of money, they simply change the definition of money, make everyone in the State poorer and then proceed as if nothing has happened. An incredibly powerful tool to be sure, but one that breaks down if done too much and too often. Which it most certainly now is. They can do this because, again, all men are created equal and all men are within the State as the manifestation of the collective will. So if the State suffers, All must suffer. If a King runs out of Money, only HE must suffer. And oh does he. History is full of Kings who wasted their wealth and ran into misfortune. For the random John Q. Peasant, this situation was neither a concern or even noticed most of the time.

A King or Queen, at the fundamental is "of the land". Their wealth comes from the land, and the people that live upon it. Liberal economists have agonized for years over the concept of the "Tragedy of the Commons", ignoring the fact that this "tragedy" was solved centuries ago when a King decided that a particularly nice patch of forest was his exclusive hunting reserve and ordered the unwashed peasants to kindly stop murdering all the deer. Which in a round about way preserved these animals to the present day. This idea of a King being "of the land" also means that despite the tendency towards despotism that is the nature of all humans, there is a "self interested" desire on the part of a King to not be overly abusive to the land and its people, since they are what provides his wealth and status. This is NOT the case with the leaders of a liberal State. A Liberal State is not bound to the land, it is bound to the ideas that underpin it, and these ideas are universal in nature. The people of their country are merely incidental tools in the grand vision. Be it the United States acting against its own self interest to "spread democracy", the Soviet Union establishing the Communist International to spread the global revolution, or the simple banality of formerly militant Irish Nationalist parties importing a hundred thousand Africans into the Irish countryside in order to fulfill the operating doctrine at the heart of their central conceit. That all men are created equal. A King would never do such a thing if put in his proper place, because a King understands that All Men are NOT equal. The men who support his throne are far more important then some random bunch of boat people coming in from Nigeria. It is also why without exception Liberal States will trend towards murderousness and despotism. This is being shown to be a universal truth, and the only difference between them is in how fast they go down the primrose path to hell.

Because at the end of the day a Liberal State cares little for the individuals it claims to uplift. When all men are equal, some it would seem, become more equal then others. If only to provide enough State power to make everyone say the lie out loud. All men are created equal.
 
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So for Liberalism to work, it must seek to ameliorate all the inequalities that confound society, because if it did not it will never EVER live up to its core ethos.
You have confused "created" with "are", and this is an important distinction. Not to dog your post, I thought it was good, but I think you might like De Tocqueville's Democracy In America. It won't change your mind, but it will expand it.
 
Very interesting. you should keep writing- worst case scenario, worst books have been made.

I still don’t want a monarch. Look at countries that have them, kings are so goddamn lame now. (:_(Only thing they do is shoot elefants during holidays, break their hips or marry news reporters. Before, it could be argued they were much more cultured than the common folk and were actually fit to lead; now I highly doubt that is the case at all. Hard pass.
 
Very interesting. you should keep writing- worst case scenario, worst books have been made.

I still don’t want a monarch. Look at countries that have them, kings are so goddamn lame now. (:_(Only thing they do is shoot elefants during holidays, break their hips or marry news reporters. Before, it could be argued they were much more cultured than the common folk and were actually fit to lead; now I highly doubt that is the case at all. Hard pass.
All the Kings and Queens of today are kept pets of the Liberal State. They don't have any power or authority these days. But they still cling to the tradition and foist it on their kids.
 
Overall, I think you have some gaping holes in your conception of monarchism and liberalism.

You're not really correct regarding absolute monarchy. The people and middle classes desired absolute monarchs precisely because they would free them from the privileges the nobility held that impaired their lives. The nobility of course resisted absolute monarchy because an absolute monarch would always infringe on their privilege. Eventually absolute monarchy dominated (except in Britain and Poland), but in some countries like France ran into the problem of the monarch sometimes being incompetent and poor with finance, like Louis XV and especially Louis XVI. And then in the 19th century, the dynamic became reversed--absolute monarchy was the "reactionary" thing and constitutionalism was good. This led to hilarious results like Spain devolving into even more of a shithole because constitutional liberalism just let rich businessmen and ironically nobles dominate the government and use anticlerical laws to help themselves to church property and impose even worse terms of tenure on peasants.

You are also incorrect that nobles "defended their land." While that was the main source of wealth, they still had plenty of wealth they could easily move around. In France, most of them took what wealth they could and fled the country when the Revolution started reaching them. Same thing in Russia in 1917--the White Army was mostly lower nobles and middle-class anti-communists. This is because European nobles were incestuous and frequently married around to other countries' nobles, so they had places to run. European monarchies were very much an incestuous circle given how closely linked the royal families of Europe were in the 19th century. It wasn't like nobles or monarchs didn't sell their country out. Hell, they literally did since that's what a personal union was, and that's why in many places nobles were consistent opponents of nationalism.

Hell, this goes back to the Middle Ages. In the 1320s, the count of Flanders fled like a total pussy from his own country to the court of the French king because he didn't want to negotiate with wealthy farmers and the cities over fair taxation. He then begged the French king for an expedition, which was finally granted after years of him cowering at the French court because the Flemish rebels were too successful and undermining the French crown as a result.

You also have to be insane to think that monarchies didn't find ways to change the definition of money. Fiat currency was invented by the Chinese and collapsed several dynasties. Currency debasement in both the Roman Empire and its remnant the Byzantine Empire helped destroy those countries. The Spanish Empire went bankrupt over a dozen times because they were terrible at handling the inflation caused by plundering a fuckton of gold and silver from Native Americans (and sending the rest to mine more).

Neither fascism nor communism are liberalism. Both are by definition post-liberal ideologies, because they arose as an answer to the excesses of liberalism which as you pointed out is government by rich merchants. Marx portrays this sort of liberalism as just an intermediate step to communism, and he seems to have been proven correct given how close we are to communism these days. Fascism revives tradition to protect the nation against the excesses of liberalism while taming its harmful impulses.

However, you did a good job noticing how there are almost no actual conservatives nowadays, but you should have mentioned the French Revolution of 1830 and concurrent events in Britain that brought down the original Tory Party when Robert Peel decided to invent modern conservatism which has "not conserving anything" built into its ideology. Go read his Tamworth Manifesto, it's the founding document of the UK Conservative Party and what passes for ideological conservatism nowadays.

I think Moldbug and especially Dugin said all these points better. Dugin (or a writer he published on his Fourth Position website) notes that liberalism is ultimately about freedom from everything, hence why it has to escalate from class, to race, to gender, to eventually the body itself (transhumanism), and makes the interesting point that it derives from nominalism, the philosophy that lays at the base of relativism and thus postmodernism.

While you are correct that "All men are created equal" is one of the biggest lies in history that is poisoning America and the world to this day, you also have to consider that hierarchal order doesn't really work in practice. Why should a drooling inbred noble be worth more than a hardworking clever peasant? Why should anyone have to bow before a ruler like Feodor I of Russia, who was a severely autistic man who treated his wife as a surrogate mother and was obsessed with church bells? Sorel, Mussolini, and Gentile solved this problem by devising a good means for how a society should be ruled and just who should rule it. Although arguably this was already part of Confucianism, since the proper solution for an incompetent ruler was that he should yield the throne to someone both capable and virtuous. So ultimately I think an ideal solution isn't so much replicating absolute monarchy or coming up with the silly ancap-monarchy hybrids conservatives like Moldbug or Hoppe desire, but something along the lines of a hybrid of Confucianism and national syndicalism.
 
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Why should anyone have to bow before a ruler like Feodor I of Russia, who was a severely autistic man who treated his wife as a surrogate mother and was obsessed with church bells?
Which is a big flaw in hereditary Monarchy. The issue is however that Liberal Democracy is not immune to the issue of a drooling invalid assuming State power. Look at the current US President.

I don't think we can just reset the clock back to 1690 and pretend the last 300 years were just a bad dream. At the same time though I don't think Liberalism can work either given the critical flaw at the core of its philosophy. the notion of equality. I disagree with the idea that the Italian Fascists somehow found the secret sauce, since the core of their philosophy still embraces the central conceit of equality. They just substitute the creator with a meritocratic super state that is essentially god.
 
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Which is a big flaw in hereditary Monarchy. The issue is however that Liberal Democracy is not immune to the issue of a drooling invalid assuming State power. Look at the current US President.
The difference is that if you are intellectually honest unlike most modern academics, you would notice the modern American system isn't so much liberalism now as post-liberalism. It's closer to communism, and you might call it managerialism, and communism does permit morons to get into office like the elderly premiers of the late USSR. You could also point out that said president was not legitimately elected, or you might notice that said president could not have won election before the age of social media and the 24 hour news cycle.
I don't think we can just reset the clock back to 1690 and pretend the last 300 years were just a bad dream. At the same time though I don't think Liberalism can work either given the critical flaw at the core of its philosophy. the notion of equality. I disagree with the idea that the Italian Fascists somehow found the secret sauce, since the core of their philosophy still embraces the central conceit of equality. They just substitute the creator with a meritocratic super state that is essentially god.
By definition, a meritocracy is the beginning of acknowledging that not all men are created equal, since it rewards the capable. That's why a consequence of liberalism is abandoning meritocracy, since the idea of merit is but another thing to free humanity from, hence why liberal democracy prioritizes affirmative action. The metric of "percentage of women in the national legislature" has been used for decades a sign of "progress" and there's long been feminists wagging their finger at how the US is behind glorious Western European nations in that regard. That's not to say women should never serve in a legislature, but the basic differences between men and women show that women should almost never hold that position beside the Indira Gandhis and Catherine the Greats of the world.

That sort of equality as devised by national syndicalists and fascists is an actual workable form of equality since it doesn't lead to communism and transhumanism as liberalism does.
 
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Is this another Alt Right faggot arguing that because Leftists want to put Blacks and gays in their goyslop we should throw out the last three hundred years of human development (all of human development, pretty much) and become slaves to an inbred king and a closeted faggot pope?
there is now a kind of "stand alone complex" among all the Liberal Democracies that has been lovingly dubbed "Globo Homo". A grand international conspiracy of Liberals out to trans the kids and import a million Africans. But it is NOT a Conspiracy. Its the ideology of the State, the Liberal Ideology, being applied correctly in the States where it has gained power. If all men are created equal, then an African off the boat from Nigeria is just as valid a citizen as someone born in the country he moved too. The Liberal Democracies are simply applying the ideology as it dictates.
All men are not created equal. They are endowed by their creator to serve the purpose to which the creator has ordained. For some, the Creator has ordained that they rule. For others that they serve. And for those misbegotten it is to suffer.
The Role of the State in this paradigm is not to establish equality. Its not preserve rights such as speech, guns, voting, etc, it is to preserve the natural order of God's plan. As such, the leaders of the State must focus on their Charge. Which is the State itself, and all the people who live upon it. Those "born of the land" as subjects to the State are the sole concern of he or she who rules over them, because God himself has delivered those people into their care. They must preserve them in their health, see too it that they are not deprived of their property, not rendered incapable of productive work through injurious taxation or policing, to keep the foreign barbarians from despoiling their lands, and most important of all, to be held in the safety and capability of creating the next generation of subjects.
Eh, kind of? I'd say it's more like "this mode of thought which has been co-opted by people with ulterior motives is invalid because it is capable of being co-opted, so be a serf because God Wills It."
 
While you are correct that "All men are created equal" is one of the biggest lies in history that is poisoning America and the world to this day,
All men were created equal simply means no one has an inherent moral authority over another. Because we are all equal, what we do sets us apart. Some people will always do more than others, and because of that some people will always benefit more than others. Some will also fall harder than others because of these choices. We are all created equal, all subject to the same laws of physics and natural selection. A king is not dictated by God, he is dictated by his ability to kill or disarm his challengers.
 
All men were created equal simply means no one has an inherent moral authority over another. Because we are all equal, what we do sets us apart. Some people will always do more than others, and because of that some people will always benefit more than others. Some will also fall harder than others because of these choices. We are all created equal, all subject to the same laws of physics and natural selection. A king is not dictated by God, he is dictated by his ability to kill or disarm his challengers.
From what I know of the bible, the belief that all men are equal isn't just a liberal invention. A king's or a noble's or a wealthy merchant's earthly authority is worthless before God's own, so this cope about individuals being appointed by the lord to rule over men is frankly unchristian. Now this doesn't matter if you're the secular type but @mindlessobserver clearly isn't, so it strikes me as contradictory. How can you follow God's Plan™ while also acting in God's stead?
This spiel also seems to labor under the idea that society having an invisible enemy was invented by liberalism, as was any kind of upward movement in society. As if before the englightenment everyone stuck to their own little caste boxes and lived in harmony, free from corruption, strife, ignorance, and sin. What a crock of shit.
 
Fascism revives tradition to protect the nation against the excesses of liberalism while taming its harmful impulses.
No it does not. Fascism is a revolutionary ideology, not a reactionary one. It never seeks to return to tradition™ as you imply. It seeks to create a utopian state that has never been seen before it's time. Mussolini for example wanted to abolish the monarchy and replace it with a flavor of Totalitarian Republicanism. Fascism's Germanic cousin national socialism, specifically Hitler never sought to return the Kaiser to power as many German conservatives and reactionaries wanted to. Instead he formed a Totalitarian state formed around the ideals that were a blend of Hegelian thought and Social Darwinism.

One of the things I absolutely detest about modern politics and it's landscape is the warped and contorted language used to define beliefs, ideologies, and philosophies in a false manner, even the ones I detest and hate. People should actually make the effort to truly understand where a hostile philosophical worldview comes from, while still sticking to their beliefs. This on top of the politics that surrounds and orbits said contorted beliefs, ideologies, and philosophies. It makes people dumber, less nuanced, and more emotionally volatile over retarded issues that will be forgotten about 5-10 years from now.
 
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You could argue he was trying to emulate Rome, RETVRNing in the most literal sense.
Rome never had the levels of control that 20th century Totalitarian States ever had. It's not even close. Also, Mussolini wanted an entire new system for Italy based around Ultranationalist and Syndicalist doctrine. Last time I checked, Rome didn't have a Syndicalist economic system or Ultranationalism. Rome would've found Nationalism to be a threat to the existence of their Multiethnic Empire and or Republic depending on what era of Rome you're talking about.
 
Fascism's Germanic cousin national socialism, specifically Hitler never sought to return the Kaiser to power as many German conservatives and reactionaries wanted to.

Hitler despised the traditionalist Junkers. And someone who cared about European tradition certainly wouldn't have ordered the destruction of Paris, and with it, the Louvre, in a fit of enraged butthurt at the inability of the Western flank of his Thousand-Year Reich to withstand and onslaught of trundling Churchills and under-armored Shermans.
 
All men were created equal simply means no one has an inherent moral authority over another. Because we are all equal, what we do sets us apart. Some people will always do more than others, and because of that some people will always benefit more than others. Some will also fall harder than others because of these choices. We are all created equal, all subject to the same laws of physics and natural selection. A king is not dictated by God, he is dictated by his ability to kill or disarm his challengers.
But that's not true, because your genes (and thus your ancestors) determine as much about you as anything else.
No it does not. Fascism is a revolutionary ideology, not a reactionary one. It never seeks to return to tradition™ as you imply. It seeks to create a utopian state that has never been seen before it's time. Mussolini for example wanted to abolish the monarchy and replace it with a flavor of Totalitarian Republicanism. Fascism's Germanic cousin national socialism, specifically Hitler never sought to return the Kaiser to power as many German conservatives and reactionaries wanted to. Instead he formed a Totalitarian state formed around the ideals that were a blend of Hegelian thought and Social Darwinism.
Yes and no. Fascism is a revolutionary ideology Mussolini was clearly rooted in tradition given the Blackshirts were styled off a Roman legion among the countless other references to Ancient Rome and occasionally medieval Italy that permeated every aspect of his state. THAT tradition, not reactionary Catholicism, even if he did ally with the latter and restored power to the Pope. Same thing with Hitler. Hitler and particularly some Nazis like Himmler wanted to make a proper German Empire and looked to a mix of actual and invented traditions of the German people that went as far back as Arminius.

A king has no place in such a system because they are not necessarily the most capable individual of leading their nation.
 
The problem with liberalism is that it cannot properly function alone without strong, often religious, morals and values to constrain it or keep its idealists within reality. It was probably meant to act in tandem with specific groups of people that had developed certain cultural norms and solid societal foundations beforehand along with relying on the initial set of founders having the common sense to understand that humanity is inherently flawed. When I read your original post it seemed to me that what you really dislike is the general philosophical stance of Humanism, which became popular during the Italian Renaissance, along with any other that assumes there is no objective truth or that humans are inherently perfect and rational beings. Anything secular in nature like Subjectivism or Relativism which became insanely popular during the Age of Enlightenment and its massive influence on our modern way of thinking.

The thinkers of the 17th and 18th centuries were so disunited in their approach to the same idea of "equality" and how to actually execute such an idea into practice because of their break away from the religious bedrock of the past and its values. We then saw a whole plethora of Republics and Democracies founded in different methodologies that all sought to achieve what they thought was "Liberalism" which on the surface all look and operate the same, they stem from different viewpoints inherited by their creators.

The Founding Fathers for the most part understood the follies of man and were religious themselves so they created the Constitution to govern people who would and should follow the word of God to provide their framework of values. It was mostly based on Locke who himself had more conservative views compared to his contemporary Rousseau, who did not care for such things as religion or the flawed soul. He was the basis for the French Revolution which was rifled with instability, chaos, and lack of objectivity. It thus needed a strongman like Napoleon to keep the nation together. Since he spread the Roussesu version of the Enlightenment during his conquest of Europe, the more secular version of Liberalism was what would be promoted during the Revolutions of 1848 and again influence another new wave of intellectuals like Marx, who himself would influence another generation and eventually morphing into what we know more now as Neoliberalism. The World Wars themselves presented the final opportunity for the secular liberals to finally usurp the monarchy and change Western culture to adhere to their now inherently secular ideals.

You may call me foolish but I do believe that Liberalism can and has worked for the benefit of the majority if given the proper environment. The United States, not to sound boastful, was a successful execution of its philosophy but people today lack so much vital context due to the modern schools of thought preached by so many "new thinkers" not being able to acquiesce the fact that humans are not inherently rational, virtuous, sensible creatures. The Founder's objective non-secular views are what made things last for so long. A big reason why there seems to be a pushback towards Christianity again probably stems not from people choosing ignorance for bliss or internet bullshit but the stability it once provided with its all-encompassing worldview that was the real glue that held all Monarchies and Western society together.

[Apolgies if this post may sound a little disjointed, I have done a lot of thinking myself on questioning the current norm of Liberalism in the Post-Modern world, even before it started becoming a more common sentiment online. There was a bunch more I could talk about like the general nature of governments created by humans always consisting of the "haves" and "haves not" but I've babbled enough. Hopefully, OP could glean something from my own somewhat articulated thoughts. A return to Monarchy is still a little foolish in the modern context though. Imagine Biden being the King and his son the Prince next in line. Four years ain't nothing compared to a possible Fifty years]
 
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@Save the Loli will disagree with you on this. The celebration of tradition was a pragmatic adoption of the "best" aspects of those time periods in order to create the new society (while conveniently making the reactionaries that would object otherwise to the revolutionary policies)
This is even more evident in Nazism. Hitler often complimented certain societies as proof of the aryan superiority, but although other Nazis disagreed, he was otherwise a fierce opponent of "traditionalism" and reactionary politics, being an extreme utilitarian (in the sense of racial survival), creating an utopia based in an ethno-supremacist version of evolutionary ethics.
 
@Save the Loli will disagree with you on this. The celebration of tradition was a pragmatic adoption of the "best" aspects of those time periods in order to create the new society (while conveniently making the reactionaries that would object otherwise to the revolutionary policies)
This is even more evident in Nazism. Hitler often complimented certain societies as proof of the aryan superiority, but although other Nazis disagreed, he was otherwise a fierce opponent of "traditionalism" and reactionary politics, being an extreme utilitarian (in the sense of racial survival), creating an utopia based in an ethno-supremacist version of evolutionary ethics.
Hitler also spoke at length in collectivist terms. The "Socialism" part of National Socialism was not just for show.

The problem with liberalism is that it cannot properly function alone without strong, often religious, morals and values to constrain it or keep its idealists within reality.
This I agree with. The problem is it is also undermined by the revolutionary principle of Liberalism to seek freedom. A major reason why Religion and Morality in general has broken down in the west was due to how aggressive Liberalism as a philosophy was at driving Christian morality from the public square and civil governance. Why aren't gay people allowed to get married? Well, because Marriage is a non-state institution that exists to create a stable environment for birthing and raising children. Both the non-state reason and the exclusionary purpose reason, are anathema to Liberalism as a concept. It puts a social institution outside the authority of the State, and also is exclusionary. Some people can't get married. Even if they love each other very much. Not very fair, is it. Applying a Liberal framework to ANY sort of moral paradigm that restricts behavior results in the moral paradigm being undermined. Without exception. Liberalism will work in the hands of a moral and religious people only in as much as it never occurs to them to apply Liberalism to things they just take for granted as the way things are. But the moment someone decides to do so, there is no defense. Liberalism dropped into the most theocratic and moral society imaginable will inevitably turn that society into a secular and immoral one. It is simply its nature.

Which incidentally, is why the US experiment in Liberal Democracy in the middle east was doomed to fail from the start. The Religious authorities that govern the Islamic world are not dummies. They understand what a threat Liberalism poses, and unlike the Christians reacted strongly to it with anathematization.

A king has no place in such a system because they are not necessarily the most capable individual of leading their nation.
its also important to note that the King isn't necessarily supposed to be the most capable. He's supposed to embody the State in his person. History is full of Kings who left most of the running of the country to advisors and senior ministers. This is why I'm not a fan of absolute monarchies either. I rather like the idea of hybrid systems and constitutional monarchies where the King is bound to certain higher order principles that even he cannot change, with suitable checks on his power.

From what I know of the bible, the belief that all men are equal isn't just a liberal invention. A king's or a noble's or a wealthy merchant's earthly authority is worthless before God's own, so this cope about individuals being appointed by the lord to rule over men is frankly unchristian.
Then you don't know alot, because both Jesus and the Apostles taught that Slaves should obey their Masters. That tends to get glossed over or outright ignored by the Church these days, but it should be noted there was also the caveat that the Masters should not abuse their Slaves. Christianity teaches that all men are equal in God's JUSTICE. When all things are judged, we will all be judged fairly and equally. But this also means that a Slave who betrays his master commits a sin, under traditional Christian theology.

I'm not arguing for a return to serfdom here though. Far from it. But I am pointing out that its a huge misconception to think that Liberalism was informed by Christian theology. It was actually quite the opposite, in that Christian Theology was informed by Liberalism. Liberalism however, could only function in the Christian context because alone among the great religions it was ecumenical and inquiring. There was actually a huge debate about how to incorporate Ancient Greek and Roman philosophy in the Christian context, and thus agreed that religious learning need not necessarily be limited to the Bible alone. Islam by contrast went in the opposite direction, declaring the Ancient Philosophies to be Haram, and dictated that the Koran. and the Koran alone, may inform the faith and its practices.
 
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