The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[seri0us]

Dunno, I think he hated me even before he got threadbanned from here (which I had nothing to do with anyway). He gave you a top hat just for quoting me, I'm pretty sure. Just ignore him, he'll either calm down or get his ban extended.

If there wasn't so much Slavic infighting you guys could steal every car from the rest of Europe

 

[Car Won't Crank]

If there wasn't so much Slavic infighting you guys could steal every car from the rest of Europe

That would be a Lada cars.

 

[TheDataHorder]

Just ignore him, he'll either calm down or get his ban extended.

to be honest, i think the reason he's so angry is that the only power slavic people have is to dissolve the USSR.
either that or he's that faggot from the linux experiment.
him reacting or quoting to my post only proves my point.
yes, i know you're reading this slav. it brings me great joy that you can't rebut this for at least a week.

 

[Sperg Coalition]

>Enters the linux thread
>Sees nuclear-level sperging from a Windows user nonetheless
Truly beautiful, that said: I hate MTP and wish for whoever created this standard to suffer so they wish they would be dead instead.

 

[teriyakiburns]

But yeah, sshfs is really useful, works without needing a bunch of services or configs unlike, say, samba, and will even run cross-platform with no issue.

I remember feeling like a (very minor) god the first time I used sshfs. It was so simple.

 

[emergenigger]

Gentoo has multiple init systems to choose from because it's run by autistic, Stallman-worshipping

I'm more than happy to remind you that the church of St. IGNUcius happily accepts new converts in the year of our lord 1970+54.

It is completely unacceptable to have a cross-thread spat about operating systems in 2024. If you're emotionally charged on the topic, just shut the fuck up.

One is being emotionally charged, the other is inability to discuss the matter in a civilized manner.

The thing that bothers me about Windows, is that its condition is rapidly degrading. Newer designs are not in the interest of the customers, not really of the corporation (maybe with the exception of the ads in the File Browser) ,but cater to the sheer autism of whoever governs the development of windows nowadays. Someone at the drawing board has this *cool* idea that they would like to implement, turns out it's shit, gets uppity and defensive about it, then leaps right to "Fuck you, I'm right, you're wrong" attitude when confronted.

Windows XP (or even 7) used to be *the* gold standard of Operating Systems. Whatever future *NIX-derived systems had back in the day was blown the fuck out of the water as it dominated the globe – just look at how many original derivatives have died since their inception.
What they've managed so far with Windows 11 is piss everyone off with technical issues that they cannot fix or breaking the most basic functionalities of the system.


I'm not sure whether this was a part of some documentary, but I recall someone applying to work for Microsoft as they were deeply fascinated. In the technical interview, they pointed out some bad design decisions in the new Word, but the luck happened that the guy interviewing was behind those bad decisions, got upset and rejected the person hard, possibly leaving some stink afterwards.

You can love Windows, the way it "just works" and – possibly– the way it's built and designed, but you're most likely to realise those components and features you can love have been created more a decade prior by some autistic white guys rather than the H1B pajeets that arrived and shat on it.

 

[TheDataHorder]

now that the thread has calmed down I've had a question on my mind.
if we had to design a Linux distro, how would we do it?
what init system would we use?
should it be based on another distro or should it be independent?
what shell should be the default?
should it come with a DE by default?
what package manger do we use? (if we want to use a preexisting one or make our own)

i really would love to hear your responses.
so long as we keep it civil, we're better then that.

 

[Betonhaus]

now that the thread has calmed down I've had a question on my mind.
if we had to design a Linux distro, how would we do it?
what init system would we use?
should it be based on another distro or should it be independent?
what shell should be the default?
should it come with a DE by default?
what package manger do we use? (if we want to use a preexisting one or make our own)

i really would love to hear your responses.
so long as we keep it civil, we're better then that.

Linux Mint is pretty close, though not sure what would replace systemd

 

[Susanna]

now that the thread has calmed down I've had a question on my mind.
if we had to design a Linux distro, how would we do it?
what init system would we use?
should it be based on another distro or should it be independent?
what shell should be the default?
should it come with a DE by default?
what package manger do we use? (if we want to use a preexisting one or make our own)

i really would love to hear your responses.
so long as we keep it civil, we're better then that.

I'm genuinely very happy with NixOS, I probably wouldn't make any changes to it. I would hold the developers at gunpoint until they fill out the wiki, though. It's okay on most subjects, but then you get something super basic like "how do flakes work" and there's fucking nothing, and you can't even ask because "that's for developers and if you don't understand it already, you don't need it".

Anyway I'm going to veto any init but systemd, because using anything else means twenty times more work for the developers, and ten times more work for the users. That's time that could be better spent making Kiwiland, our Wayland replacement, which will have features like RDP, AV1, NVENC etc built-in.

 

[emergenigger]

if we had to design a Linux distro, how would we do it?

I don't know. Probably draw the most vital components of the system and see what's necessary. (Coreutils most likely – and the kernel)

what init system would we use?

SystemD for compatibility reasons , else OpenRC

should it be based on another distro or should it be independent?

Independent as deplatforming tactics from the upstream could be worse than what the site has ever experienced

what shell should be the default?

Everyone and their grandma uses zsh now

should it come with a DE by default?

Yes, and it should be as green as possible. Cinnamon comes to mind.

what package manger do we use? (if we want to use a preexisting one or make our own)

apt-get for compatibility reasons
emerge as an optional tool to build packages from source and maintain them
Using two package managers would be a clusterfuck but it seems good.

 

[Radiator Grilled Cheese]

if we had to design a Linux distro, how would we do it?

If I'm playing devil's advocate, then why should I uninstall NixOS or whatever other distro I'm using and use KiwiOS over any of the gorillion other distros that exist? I feel like that's the biggest problem. You would need to find some kind of niche to fill like Artix/Devuan and the independent distros do, or do something truly different to not get lost amongst the sea of Ubuntu, Debian, and Arch-based distros.

 

[Betonhaus]

Honestly I'd like to try to break down the windowing system into smaller interchangeable components. So for example I can be operating a headless server and launch a web interface without having a desktop environment installed or loaded.

 

[std::string]

now that the thread has calmed down I've had a question on my mind.
if we had to design a Linux distro, how would we do it?

The live image immediately writes to your hard drives with a new empty GPT partition table and drops you into a game of Nethack.

If you win, the changes are reverted.

 

[AmpleApricots]

no init, the Linux kernel directly booting into a Forth.

Let me guess, you need more.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Linux Mint is pretty close, though not sure what would replace systemd

Upstart. It does everything systemd was originally touted to do, without all the pointless deep integration into disparate subsystems. Failing that, OpenRC. edit: or dinit, now that I've read more about it (thanks @Rekeita's Kidneys)

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

Linux Mint is pretty close, though not sure what would replace systemd

dinit seems promising, from what I've been doing with it, it seems quite nice.

 

[Heliantheae]

Linux Mint is pretty close, though not sure what would replace systemd

s6 paired with 66. It's light, fast and simple. Being able to easily set up trees with services and start/stop everything required with a single command is great.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I got tired of having to do this small "what did they fuck up now" dance every update. I want my system to work, I don't want to custom patch ebuilds and write patches for GTK to remove redundant dependencies on things like udev because the maintainers are lazy.

Trying to be fully modular is what leads to abject fucking horrors like the F-35 in real life. Or Muticam.

Mission-critical systems all over the planet run RHEL or Rocky, and when they do get compromised, it's the usual story, some sysadmin fell for a phishing attack

Speaking of which, did anyone pay attention to the xz utils RCE? Supposedly there's a killswitch in the code, I wonder if this was a state actor or a really dedicated
The timeline is about 2 years from initial commits to detection. I wasn't affected (at least with the discovered RCE) since I usually wait a few months before I emerge anything.


Also include your standard dev mental health crisis. What's the over/under on Lasse Collin trooning out?

I haven't lost interest but my ability to care has been fairly limited
mostly due to longterm mental health issues but also due to some other
things. Recently I've worked off-list a bit with Jia Tan on XZ Utils and
perhaps he will have a bigger role in the future, we'll see.

It's also good to keep in mind that this is an unpaid hobby project.

 

[innocent jogger]

Don't know why the assblasted slav rated you dumb for this, that's a good tip

Dunno, I think he hated me even before he got threadbanned from here (which I had nothing to do with anyway).

I think that guy just has a raging hate boner against Linux. He showed up in a Windows 11 thread and just started sperging out ant-Linux shit even though nobody had mentioned Linux at all.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/window...now-resort-to-degeneracy.190468/post-18284593

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

now that the thread has calmed down I've had a question on my mind.
if we had to design a Linux distro, how would we do it?
what init system would we use?
should it be based on another distro or should it be independent?
what shell should be the default?
should it come with a DE by default?
what package manger do we use? (if we want to use a preexisting one or make our own)

My only answer is that it would probably end up with extreme autism and become it's own thing like Kali or blackarch, except instead of pentesting tools it's a bunch of backup, archival, content creation, "OSINT" (I hate that term), anonmyzer, compression, steganography, and cryptography tools so us stalker childs don't get a lawsuit from fatrick or a million dollars from balldoman while posting monty like memes on them.