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Hypothesis: Kiwi Farms is a harassment website
Evidence: There is no direct link to real life harassment originating from the Kiwi Farms. Further users attempting to harass individuals in real life are routinely banned.
Conclusion: Kiwi Farms is the worst harassment site to ever exist.

Great stuff. Very science. Much critical thinking.
 
Oh, I have some free time today.
>What are you doing?
>alt-tab
>Just reading a paper that pertains to the project we're working on
>Keep it up

Anyway.

The abstract is a total wordsalad mess.​

Drawing on several quantitative data sources, we show that deplatforming an active community to suppress online hate and harassment, even with a substantial collective effort involving several tech firms, can be hard.
Totally neutral study, no biases to be seen here. No examples of such "hate and harassment" given, other than "trust me bro".
Our case study is the disruption of the largest and longest-running harassment forum KIWI FARMS in late 2022, which is probably the most extensive industry effort to date. We collected complete snapshots of this site and its primary competitor LOLCOW FARM, encompassing over 14.7M posts during their lifespan over the past decade.
>Kiwi Farms competitor Lolcow Farm
14.7M posts
So how many of these posts were "hate and harassment"? How did this bullshit get published?
It also drew many newcomers, who exhibited increasing levels of toxicity during the first few weeks of participation.
No definition of the word "toxicity".
Deplatforming a dispersed community using a series of court orders against individual service providers appears unlikely to be very effective if the censor cannot incapacitate the key maintainers, whether by arresting them, enjoining them or otherwise deterring them.
>By arresting them
Do you really want people like this making laws?

Introduction​

Some cases of stalking, bullying, and doxxing such as Gamergate have had real-world consequences, including violent crime as well as political mobilisation [2].
kys
as when Cloudflare terminated service for the Daily Stormer after the Unite the Right rally in Virginia in 2017
These wannabe chaser "academics" are actually comparing us to fucking criminal DDoS-for-hire services, terrorists and mass shooters. They somehow shoehorned The Silk Road in as well. How any of this is relevant is beyond me because they have yet to cite a single verifiable case of crimes being committed by the site/users. Demented.
Speaking of cloudflare.
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Yeah, they still host "problematic" sites.
This came to an end following serious harassment by forum members of a Canadian trans activist, culminating in a swatting incident in August 2022.
Notice how slimy these fucks are? "Culminating", they're implying we've swatted HIM while retaining plausible deniability.

II Deplatforming to suppress online hate and harassment​

>Still no definition of harassment, but we get a grandiose ivory-tower shut-in styled wankery lecture about free speech and hate speech
There are many examples: the Reddit ban of r/incels in November 2017 led to the emergence of two standalone forums, incels.is and incels.net, which then grew rapidly; users banned from Twitter and Reddit exhibit higher levels of toxicity when migrating to Gab [36]; users migrated to their own standalone websites after getting banned from r/The Donald expressed higher levels of toxicity and radicalisation, even though their posting activity on the new platform decreased [44], [45]; the ‘Great Deplatforming’ directed users to other less regulated, more extreme platforms [46]; the activity of many right-wing users moved to Telegram increased multi-fold after being banned on major social media [37];
Oh look, Reddit, where people admit to swatting, identity theft, sending deliveries, hacking etc without a single bit of backlash from these freaks.
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>Possible data breach
What kind of research is this? Possible? There's either a data breach or there isn't. For the time they've spent on this worthless fluff piece, they know there wasn't a data breach.
XenForo, a closesource forum platform, revoked its license in late 2021 [51]. DreamHost stopped its domain registration in July 2021 after a software developer killed himself after being harassed by the site’s users.
Notice how they had a citation for XenForo but zero to back up their claims of "being harassed by the site's users"?
Who were the harassers?
How did they harass Byuu, who lives in Japan as an Anon?
What are the examples of said harassment? Did he get sushi deliveries? Did the Japanese police pin him to the ground with their pitchforks? Anything to show?
The disruption studied in this work was started by the online community in 2022. A malicious alarm was sent to the police in London, Ontario by a forum member on 5 August, claiming that a Canadian trans activist had committed murders and was planning more, leading to her being swatted [54].
Okay. As someone who's against swatting, who sent this "malicious alarm"? Surely, you have the evidence. What is his/her username here and what is the proof? I am certain whoever this is will be banned from the site.
Or you're just making shit up.

III Methods and Datasets​

In a separate paper, we tested the reliability of Similarweb data with a comparison to millions of ground truth traffic records collected from our own infrastructure over 6 months, showing that while Similarweb largely underestimates the amount of traffic, it is able to capture trends with a very high correlation (Pearson’s coefficient > 0:9) [citation hidden].
>Citation hidden
Our work was formally approved by our institutional Ethics Review Board (ERB) for data collection and analysis. Our datasets are collected on publicly available forums and channels, which are accessible to all. We collected the forum when it was hosted in the US; according to a 2022 US court case, scraping public data is legal [62].
Good.
Now show that to your MSM allies bitching about spy.pet.
Before Cloudflare’s action on 3 September, traffic towards KIWI FARMS (measured by Similarweb) was relatively steady, mostly occupied by the primary domain. However, we see the Streisand effect (as also seen in Figure 3) with an immediate peak in traffic of around 50% more visits and 85% more visitors once the site was disrupted.
How does SimilarWeb measure traffic?
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Someone can find a source here. At the heights of Lucas' gay little whingefest, anonymous viewers peaked at something around 10-20k. This isn't usual traffic, these were DDoS attempts.
This trio of dimwitted "academics" made zero effort to distinguish between genuine visitors and DDoSing.
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#Dropkiwifarms is dead.

IV The Impacts on Relevant Stakeholders​

They were actively maintaining infrastructure, fixing bugs, and giving instructions to users to deal with their passwords when the forum experienced a breach.
Oh?
But...
>Possible data breach
Maybe you should keep it consistent.
KIWI FARMS activity is highly skewed, with around 80%12 of pre-disruption posts made by 8.96% most active users (5 158), while the remaining 20% posts were made by the 91.04% less active
Right, so the forum activity follows the Pareto Distribution, just like literally any other "social media" style site and forum.
Ivory tower academic wankery at its finest.
Toxicity Levels: KIWI FARMS has the most toxic posts among 12 extremist forums measured in previous work [21].
Let's have a look at [21]. Though they should have defined this dubious word right in the abstract. How did this piece of gargled circle jerk get published again?
Oh, the same reason 5G phones cause covid-19 got published, I guess.
[21] A. V. Vu, L. Wilson, Y. T. Chua, I. Shumailov, and R. Anderson, “Extremebb: Enabling large-scale research into extremism, the manosphere and their correlation by online forum data,” arXiv preprint arXiv:2111.04479, 2021.
We introduce ExtremeBB, a textual database of over 53.5M posts made by 38.5k users on 12 extremist bulletin board forums promoting online hate, harassment, the manosphere and other forms of extremism. It enables large-scale analyses of qualitative and quantitative historical trends going back two decades: measuring hate speech and toxicity; tracing the evolution of different strands of extremist ideology; tracking the relationships between online subcultures, extremist behaviours, and real-world violence; and monitoring extremist communities in near real time. This can shed light not only on the spread of problematic ideologies but also the effectiveness of interventions. ExtremeBB comes with a robust ethical data-sharing regime that allows us to share data with academics worldwide. Since 2020, access has been granted to 49 licensees in 16 research groups from 12 institutions.
>12 extremist bulletin board forums promoting online hate, harassment, the manosphere and other forms of extremism.
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- Stormfront (protected by Cloudflare)
- Vanguard News Network (Cloudflare)
- Incels.is (Cloudflare)
- Incels.net (Cloudflare)

- Lookism (what the fuck is this?)
LOOKISM. This consists of the two largest forums on techniques to enhance male physical beauty, ranging from non-invasive methods such as styling and workouts to extreme ones involving cosmetic surgery, synthetic hormones, and skin-lightening products. This is strongly linked to the incel subcultures, with users often entangled with misogyny involving a stereotype of female superficiality that requires men to invest in a masculine appearance.
Are you kidding me? Extremism? I can't even be bothered to look them up. The same applies to the rest of the list. A quick search on Amazon and YouTube reveals millions of subjects pertaining to makeup artistry, modelling, fashion and so on.
-PUAs: big deal, there's more than 10,000 books on gold digging
- Men's Movement: Big deal, there's women's movement and men who wear dresses that think they're women's movements too. I lurk Ovarit, they sometimes spew similarly hateful sweeping rhetoric towards men, but so what?
- Lolcow.farm is hosted by Cloudflare

They are citing their own database.
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Two of the three authors of this total pile of junk were involved in the database.
Conflict of interests are okay when academics and politicians do it.

VI Tensions, Challenges and Implications​

We are continuing to monitor the forum; it seems to be gradually recovering. There is a lack of data on real-world harassment caused by forum members, such as online complaints or police reports, so we are unable to measure if the campaign had any effect in mitigating the physical and mental harm inflicted on people offline.
I thought you just asserted:
The disruption studied in this work was started by the online community in 2022. A malicious alarm was sent to the police in London, Ontario by a forum member on 5 August, claiming that a Canadian trans activist had committed murders and was planning more, leading to her being swatted [54].
Yeah, this is a crime and an example of real-world harassment. Where's the proof, Anh, Alice and Ross? Show us.
If some of a forum’s members break the law, are they a dissident organisation with a few bad actors, or a terrorist group that should be hunted down? Many troublesome organisations do attract hot-headed young members, and activists from animal-rights activists and climate-change protesters through to trade union organisers do occasionally fall foul of the law.
A few bad actors:
New Zealand Christchurch massacre was streamed on Twitch and Facebook
That supermarket shooter who had a rifle with "nigger" written on was streamed on Twitter
At the height of ISIS, their execution videos hosted by LiveLeak was shared everywhere on these mainstream platforms
Blocking a highway, whether it's to protect covid-19 or climate change is a crime, there are countless examples of both, from the truckers (I sympathise with) to Climate Change activists (oh dear, oh no... crucify me, yeah I also feel for them. I disagree with either methods).
Vandalism is by far the most prevalent anti-social crime committed by these "activists", it's not a few bad actors. Nobody on Kiwi Farms or Lolcow.farm is going around sticking "ywnbaw" on utility poles.
In this case, the KIWI FARMS founder denounced SWAT harassment and other blatant criminality [50]. Indeed, a competent provocateur will stop just short of the point at which their actions will call down a vigorous police response.
Wait, I'm pretty sure Null isn't the founder? These idiots probably think Tesla was founded by Elon Musk too. In 3 years, Xitter is now founded by Elon Musk.
Other countries are more restrictive, with France and Germany banning Nazi symbolism and Turkey banning material disrespectful of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.
- China bans material criticising/mocking national heroes
- Australia bans material mocking Aboriginals
- New Zealand bans the Christchurch Massacre footage
- [whatever] bans not being [some kind of religious thing]
- Russia bans calling the gay war they're in with Ukraine a "war"
None of the above has freedom of speech. Deal with it.
Following the tragic suicide of a teenage girl, tech firms are under pressure to censor such material in the UK using their terms of service or by tweaking their recommendation algorithms.
Want to know how China was able to implement laws against spreading rumours?
- Some demented woman went out with a gong (Chinese music instrument) banging, claiming there's an earthquake
- This was after the major natural disaster in Sichuan, which killed nearly 70,000 and over 18,000 are missing to this day.
- Her act caused two tragic deaths. One victim jumped out of their unit to their demise. Another woman committed suicide after she ran out of her unit naked, she did so in shame. China is still very conservative.
- China passed a law forbidding "harmful spreading of rumours".
- This law is being used today to combat "misinformation", "disinformation", and "fake news". Guess who gets to decide what this is?
- The Chinese did define what counts as a harmful rumour. If the originator's claims gets republished over 5000 times, then it is assumed to have caused "damage", therefore whoever published it broke the law. An example is that blogger who claimed covid-19 originated from a USA airforce base, another was with regards to some kind of crime.
You're delusional if you think this law won't be used to arbitrarily punish people for wrongthink.
However, deplatforming KIWI FARMS or any other customers does not violate the principle of free speech. It is essentially a contractual matter; they have the right to cease their support for a website that violates their policies. Infrastructure providers may occasionally need to work expediently with law enforcement in the case of an imminent threat to life.
>It's a private company
>They can do what they want
>This isn't freeze peach
>Build your own fucking Internet
>BAKE THAT CAKE BIGOT
How libertarian and free market small government of you, how convenient.
Cloudflare attempted to collaborate with law enforcement to sort out the case of KIWI FARMS, yet the process could not keep up with the escalating threats and it ended up taking unilateral action, relying on its terms of service [26].
>Escalating threats
>Zero examples of such threats
In an ideal world, we would have an international legal framework for taking down websites that host illegal content or that promote crime; unfortunately, this framework does not exist.
Great, what a banger idea. Ideally, an international body that is unelected, unregulated, nobody gets to vote on, can decide what should and what should not be hosted online.
- CPC: all the anti-CPC sites can go, they promote hate!
- Muslim nations: Anything critical of Islam should go
- Russia: If you call that a war, you did an illegal content
I have a feeling that this "international framework" is just going to consist of America and allies. Just when pundits say "international community" which excludes the majority of the world the West (tm) does not like.
These are the people making laws and this is their idea of an "ideal framework".
And then there’s a vast swamp of fake news, animal cruelty, conspiracy theories, and other material that many find unpleasant or distressing, and which social networks moderate for the comfort of both their users and their advertisers.
Like the monkey torturers and dog rapists we put in prison, right?

VII Conclusion​

Frens, we are the IRA and Muslim Brotherhood. We might be both combined. If they get rid of this site, we might just start bombing federal buildings and committing war crimes (um, don't do any of that, it's naughty).
Legislators who propose to ban an online community might consider precedents such as Britain’s ban on Provisional Sinn F´ein from 1988–94 due to its support for the Provisional IRA during the Troubles, or the bans on the Muslim Brotherhood enacted by various Arab regimes.14 Declaring a community to be illegal and thus forcing it underground may foster paranoid worldviews, increase signals associated with toxicity and radicalisation [44], [36] and have many other unintended consequences. The KIWI FARMS disruption, which involved a substantial effort by the industry, is perhaps the best outcome that could be expected even if the censor were agile, competent and persistent. Yet this has demonstrated that merely trying to deplatform an active online community is not enough to deal effectively with online hate and harassment.
Sane take by three sane "researchers".

tl;dr FUCK the Bri'ish, fuck your gay faggy island, fuck your gay university and your faggot laws. Your island is trash and a nuke would improve the world.
 
Cloudflare attempted to collaborate with law enforcement to sort out the case of KIWI FARMS, yet the process could not keep up with the escalating threats and it ended up taking unilateral action, relying on its terms of service [26].
Wow, I missed this particularly horrible piece of shit in a sea of feces. Cloudflare "attempted to collaborate with law enforcement"? Really? Show me the fucking police reports, the subpoenas, the court orders as it relates to us. You can't, because Matthew Prince didn't pull the plug due to a genuine deadly threat, he pulled it because he's a pussy faggot who doesn't actually believe in what he says his company's principles are.
 
Hypothesis: Kiwi Farms is a harassment website
Evidence: There is no direct link to real life harassment originating from the Kiwi Farms. Further users attempting to harass individuals in real life are routinely banned.
Conclusion: Kiwi Farms is the worst harassment site to ever exist.

Great stuff. Very science. Much critical thinking.
Very data-driven too. Thanks, Alice Hutchings.

Wow, I missed this particularly horrible piece of shit in a sea of feces. Cloudflare "attempted to collaborate with law enforcement"? Really? Show me the fucking police reports, the subpoenas, the court orders as it relates to us. You can't, because Matthew Prince didn't pull the plug due to a genuine deadly threat, he pulled it because he's a pussy faggot who doesn't actually believe in what he says his company's principles are.
Of course, the only source cited is Matthew Prince's "trust me, bro!" blog which doesn't substantiate its own claims. The only thing Matthew Prince links in the body of his blogpost is his prior blogpost (linked three separate times for some reason) and nothing else. Which law enforcement bodies were approached, which posts were provided to them, and the ultimate findings of those posts being sent to law enforcement haven't surfaced after years.

The website had threats which were so horrific that all his principles had to be violated to address them, but they're also a secret to everybody including Cambridge researchers and the admin of Kiwi Farms. Makes sense to me, what's your problem?

The Cambridge losers claim they have fully archived all 14.7 million posts (only .18 million to go, friends), so surely Ahn Viet Vu can provide these "escalating threats" that were posted.
 
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How did they harass Byuu, who lives in Japan as an Anon?
What are the examples of said harassment? Did he get sushi deliveries? Did the Japanese police pin him to the ground with their pitchforks? Anything to show?
Talking shit online about the Dread Pirate Roberts is harassment. It doesn't matter if xhe actually exists or not, or if what is being said is actually true. Their feelings could be hurt and that's all that matters.
 
Going to listen and put my notes here:
  • Ahn Vu starts by glazing Alice Hutchings hardcore by asserting that she invented the intersectional research of computer science and criminology. Despite being a PhD student, he calls everything "interesting" and "fascinating" without expounding.
  • "Do you feel like a studious person?" "I feel very happy when doing research." Intellectual juggernauts here.
  • "We started looking at the website data when the war started and we found that the website defacers, they were influenced by the war. They reacted to the war almost immediately, like a few hours, then they defaced a lot of websites of Russia and Ukraine."
  • Their method of collecting data was to find people who tattled on themselves for website defacement and took them at face value.
  • They describe a "defacement leaderboard" where they "compete with each other" without specifying who, what, where, or when.
  • "We believe the usernames/handles are arbitrarily defined, but they keep the handles consistent." So, every username on every forum ever.
  • This sounds like a whole load of "trust me, bro!" from some old British woman and some chink who can barely access an adjective beyond "interesting."
  • "We are not really sure they are honest in reporting the attacks, but it seems to be an indicative sign." Bruh.
  • Ahn Vu has interviewed "hacking teams" that attacked Russia and Ukraine, actual cybercriminals.
  • "We don't see an increase in the scale of defacement attacks globally, just in Russia and Ukraine." Well, stupid, you're only taking in data where the attackers flaunt and gloat about their attacks. I seriously hate people who don't even know what data they're actually collecting.
  • Ahn Vu gives an absolutely retarded description of grey hat hackers. Sounds more like a foreign exchange student in High School just learning about cybersecurity.
  • Word salad about Israel/Palestine being "10-15x less than" the Russia/Ukraine hacking, but still following a spike and then a decrease pattern, except with the DDoS attacks towards Israel.
  • They literally cannot stop jerking themselves off over the most surface level observations of their shite data.
  • "We do not collect state sponsored attacks because it is really hard to categorize." Kill yourselves.
  • Despite admitting that they quite literally do not even ATTEMPT to collect data about state sponsored "defacements," they assert that the vast majority of "defacements" are not state sponsored. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.
  • The host uses the supposed existence of these "leaderboards" on the "clearweb" to segue into asking about their efforts in deplatforming criminal groups online.
  • The literal immediate reply to this segue: "Previous work has found that industry actions can be much more effective than government actions, then we questions [sic] to what extent industry actions, when it is done by a series of tech firm, how effective it is in taking down a website that supports hidden harassment. So, the case that we look at is the Kiwi Farms disruptions which happened in 2022 August. So, a Canadian activist was harassed so seriously that she started a campaign to Drop Kiwi Farms..." LITERALLY ADMITTING TO BYPASSING THE GOVERNMENT TO ILLEGALLY TAKE DOWN WEBSITES! Wow, thanks Cambridge University PhD student Ahn Vu!
  • "They determined that because of the real risk to human life, it would take what was described as an unprecedented move to stop hosting Kiwi Farms. There's, I suppose, a lot of reluctance of industry to act as the world cnsors, but the main point that they kinda stressed in their media release was the risk to human life." Alice Hutchings has co-signed too. Thanks, Alice.
  • "A numbe of tech firms also took part in the process, that means a series of tech firms attempted to drop the website. But, by collecting the activities on this forum, and some of the traffic on this forum, we found that the industry action was quite effective in the first few months. The forum was shut down and activities went to zero, but then they shift their discussion to another platform on Telegram, and after a few months the website was back online." Bro, they're just admitting it all outright now.
  • They brag about how "casual members" left the forum, but the "key members" stayed.
  • They admit this data in particular is faulty, but they're still drawing conclusions. Data-driven must mean you drive the data towards any conclusion you want.
  • They say that new members are "more connected" than the "casual members" who left. The basis for this claim is wholly unexplained. Thanks, Alice!
  • "It's really quite remarkable, I think, the persistence that the administrators had actually keeping the forum going in quite a well-managed concerted effort to take them off the face of the Internet and they were adept at kind of coming back." Because, just like your own research found out, there were NO COURT ORDERS to legally compel this US hosted website to be deplatformed, you intrepid retard.
  • They call @Null "very technically competent." I'm sure he will return the thought.
  • Ahn makes retarded allusions to Kiwi Farms also hosting a New Zealand website.
  • They admit web traffic has not only recovered, but the activity is higher than before.
  • "One of the unintended consequences of a website takedown is what's referred to as a Streisand Effect." Holy fuck, I hate this cunt. SHE THEN LITERALLY EXPLAINS THE STREISAND EFFECT.
  • Alice Hutchings alludes to "types of activities orchestrated here." Where's the data, cunt?
  • Talks about learning lessons on how to handle communities resistant to takedowns from the biggest tech firms.
  • "It raises questions about, is it actually the best way to deal with it?"
  • Equates the free speech on this website to harassment without any data to validate these claims.
  • Google searches for Kiwi Farms were 7x higher after failed takedowns.
My take: Academia dummies who found a niche they can grift. Absolute scum who my intuition tells me were directly complicit in the illegal campaign to takedown this legally hosted US website. I hope they fail at everything in life.
 
The disruption studied in this work was started by the online community in 2022. A malicious alarm was sent to the police in London, Ontario by a forum member on 5 August, claiming that a Canadian trans activist had committed murders and was planning more, leading to her being swatted [54].
[54] “Trans Twitch streamer Keffals says she was swatted and arrested by police in Ontario,” 2022. [Online]. Available: https://nbcnews:com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/trans-twitchstreamer-keffals-says-was-swatted-arrested-police-ontario-rcna42533
They are citing an NBC news piece, which is citing Lucas himself.
They might as well make Lucas and Elliot contributing authors at this point.
 
Okay. As someone who's against swatting, who sent this "malicious alarm"? Surely, you have the evidence. What is his/her username here and what is the proof? I am certain whoever this is will be banned from the site.
Or you're just making shit up.
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Crazy how they don't mention that Doxbin were the ones who attempted to SWAT Trans Icon Keffals because they had the goddamn email that triggered the attempted swatting. Also, the police had a GODDAMN SEARCH WARRANT for Lucas's property, how the fuck is it a swatting when they had a search warrant?
 
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