What is your opinion on the Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict? - Keep the other thread focused on the hard facts

[namvata]

You can't miss out on the Saudis funding ISIS though against Assad.

Pretty much both countries decided to engage in a proxy war and the Saudis look to have lost the PR battle.

They lost the actual battle too: ISIS was destroyed, Assad won, the Houthis basically run Yemen now, Hezbollah and Iran's proxies in Iraq are stronger than ever, and they've finally been negotiated into a position of peace (or at least detente) with Iran by China.

Iran is more fitting for this label. Sponsoring sectarian mass murder in Iraq and Syria yet still praised by cucked Sunnis because “muh resistance”

The difference is that Iran actually does something for the Palestinians. What have any of these sunni leaders done for them besides throw them under the bus and collaborate with the west? Iran also operates in a more modern and civilized way with client states and spheres of influence, whereas Turkey and Azerbaijan are known purely for engaging in wonton imperialism and ethnic cleansing.

 

[Maginot]

This is a fantastic over view of the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAfIYtpcBxo

"Why Israel is in deep trouble: John Mearsheimer with Tom Switzer"

 

[N Space]

The Romanian Senate passed a resolution establishing May 14 as a day of solidarity and friendship with Israel by a 102 to 1 vote:
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We always win, goy. @AgendaPoster

Explain yourself @AgendaPoster

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

Explain yourself @AgendaPoster

He was the 1 “against” vote

 

[Male Idiot]

The house always wins. The only winning move is not getting infested in the first place.

Abbos at least are safe, so Dyn's gasoline stash won't get (((pilfered))) for Nosenberg's Royce Royce.

 

[RX-78]

That's why you respond to my posts trying to spin what I'm saying as still some kind of win for Israel

Welcome to basic bitch pipul 101, this is how you know you've got him triggered.

 

[Shittus Maximus II]

It's actually so over for you guys right now, what a bad year to be a ZOGbot.

"You see, Hamas killing its own citizens while the IDF kills Palestinian citizens is a huge win for us! Checkmate Israel!"
Palestine is so loved by other Arab states that many won't even lift a finger to help them.
The tactics that Hamas are using are the same tactics as HItler in '45. They'll fare even worse than he did. Palestine will be a memory in 5 years and people will forget it in 50.

 

[namvata]

"You see, Hamas killing its own citizens while the IDF kills Palestinian citizens is a huge win for us! Checkmate Israel!"

What goal has israel successfully completed thus far? It's been 8 months and hamas is not only wiped out, they're still operating in territory that's been "secured" by the IDF and moving wherever it wants through a massive tunnel system the idf knows its never gonna be able to clear out. You can gloat about dead palestinian children all you want but Israel is completely failing in this war thus far both politically and militarily.

Also hamas isn't a government, they're essentially the most popular gang in a giant prison, which is why it's all the more that pathetic that Israel has failed to defeat them thus far despite mobilizing more people to invade gaza than Russia did to take Ukraine

 

[draggs]

What goal has israel successfully completed thus far? It's been 8 months and hamas is not only wiped out, they're still operating in territory that's been "secured" by the IDF and moving wherever it wants through a massive tunnel system the idf knows its never gonna be able to clear out. You can gloat about dead palestinian children all you want but Israel is completely failing in this war thus far both politically and militarily.

Also hamas isn't a government, they're essentially the most popular gang in a giant prison, which is why it's all the more that pathetic that Israel has failed to defeat them thus far despite mobilizing more people to invade gaza than Russia did to take Ukraine

huff that copium brother

 

[Shittus Maximus II]

What goal has israel successfully completed thus far? It's been 8 months and hamas is not only wiped out, they're still operating in territory that's been "secured" by the IDF and moving wherever it wants through a massive tunnel system the idf knows its never gonna be able to clear out. You can gloat about dead palestinian children all you want but Israel is completely failing in this war thus far both politically and militarily.

Also hamas isn't a government, they're essentially the most popular gang in a giant prison, which is why it's all the more that pathetic that Israel has failed to defeat them thus far despite mobilizing more people to invade gaza than Russia did to take Ukraine

I'm stating Hamas isn't winning. Hamas's win condition would be if Palestine still exist. Israel is teaching the true meaning of "to the rivers and the sea." Germany wasn't winning when they were apportioned by the allies. The statements of "We're winning" is coming from a Hamas that's disemboweled and their people are getting bombed to nothing. The IRA and Ireland won because they knew when to act. They also knew when to negotiate. The goatfuckers of Palestine think that they are gonna win through sheer gaul because their Iranian Puppetmasters tell them that they'll come to their aid. They won't because Israel will give Tehran a Uranium present if they do. They die for Persians who could give no shits about them in any other way.

 

[GamesGoodMeBad]

They won't because Israel will give Tehran a Uranium present if they do.

Israel won't do shit lmao, they're scared of a direct conflict with iran. The last spat between the 2 countries proved that... israel's "response" was pathetic

 

[Shittus Maximus II]

Israel won't do shit lmao, they're scared of a direct conflict with iran. The last spat between the 2 countries proved that... israel's "response" was pathetic

Israel has killed their nuclear plan 4 times. They've killed multiple generals and have killed Iranians involved in funding terrorist acts. Plus Iran's puppet state is almost a memory.

 

[quaawaa]

Israel is teaching the true meaning of "to the rivers and the sea.

So that’s genocidal rhetoric when a pro-Palestine person says it, but not when a pro-Israel person says it?

 

[namvata]

So that’s genocidal rhetoric when a pro-Palestine person says it, but not when a pro-Israel person says it?

Yes, they are at once the oppressor and yet they are the oppressed, crying out in pain as they strike you and all that jazz. They'll gloat about the mass murder of arabs but if you suggest that they may be committing genocide they start shitting their pants and crying and talking about how they're the victims of antisemitism. It's fucking ridiculous and I'm glad some people are at least finally starting to see through the narrative of eternal jewish victimhood.

I'm stating Hamas isn't winning. Hamas's win condition would be if Palestine still exist.

And in the next few sentences you frame the conversation as if Israel is winning and Hamas has been destroyed, which is objectively untrue for anyone who actually pays attention. Israel has completely failed in it's biggest mission goals (wipe out hamas, get the hostages back) and now their government (or should I say YOUR government with this ESL shit straight out of a unit 8200 call center) is set to fracture because of it.

The statements of "We're winning" is coming from a Hamas that's disemboweled and their people are getting bombed to nothing

It's so cute when zionists rip off the mask and fall back on their might makes right rhetoric, bragging about how many kids they killed and saying things like "Palestine won't exist in 50 years" but they'll get so flustered when you accuse them of genocide by using their own words against them.

Israel has killed their nuclear plan 4 times

Dirty bombs are a thing and Iran isn't some shitty army using outdated soviet equipment like Iraq in 2003, as much as you would like to believe they are. They have a massive fucking drone program and a whole arsenal of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles at this point. It would still be nothing short of disastrous if they started loading them with Uranium and launching them at Tel Aviv.

Tell me when Israel starts getting it's ass kicked by Hezbollah again before you even start thinking about a war with Iran.

 

[Shittus Maximus II]

So that’s genocidal rhetoric when a pro-Palestine person says it, but not when a pro-Israel person says it?

I don't care. Palestine thought it was okay to sow the seeds now it's reaping the whirlwind. Don't start something you can't finish. Vae Victus.

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[Shittus Maximus II]

Dirty bombs are a thing and Iran isn't some shitty army using outdated soviet equipment like Iraq in 2003, as much as you would like to believe they are. They have a massive fucking drone program and a whole arsenal of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles at this point. It would still be nothing short of disastrous if they started loading them with Uranium and launching them at Tel Aviv.

Tell me when Israel starts getting it's ass kicked by Hezbollah again before you even start thinking about a war with Iran.

Hezbollah hasn't kept a foot of land they took on Oct 7. Meanwhile most of Gaza has Israeli flags flying from Israeli tanks and on patches of Israeli troops. Gaza is not Vietnam. It is an extremely small piece of land backed onto the sea that on a good day could barely provide for its people. It's all but occupied now and then the real sweeps can begin.

You're right about them not being a shitty Soviet equipment army. They replaced it with a shitty combo of Chinese junk and badly made home made tanks. Their missiles were mainly shot down by a coalition of US and Israel aircraft last time before they got to the boarder. they didn't bring out the ASAT and Anti ballistic missiles for those kind of bombs. Plus those missiles are easier to spot. Dirty bombs are still pretty big if you want them to be useful. And if that happens The US and Europe will bomb them like they did Dresden. Israel will launch if they think they'll cease to exist so they won't care about the repercussions. That's why they're still a pain in the ass in the Middle East.

 

[AnonymousKot]

Hezbollah hasn't kept a foot of land they took on Oct 7

Are you retarded or being disingenuous like catch the rainbow ? Hezbollah's goal was not to occupy israeli territory but to bomb the shit out of northern isreal and force most of its population to flee so as to put pressure on Tel Aviv, doing so fucks up the kikes economy since most of their food is grown in the north and according to john mearsheimer a good chunk of the 500k jews that fled israel are from the north, along with tying up a good chunk of the idf forces meaning that the now depleted golani brigade is the one that's been fighting non-stop in gaza

 

[Shittus Maximus II]

Are you retarded or being disingenuous like catch the rainbow ? Hezbollah's goal was not to occupy israeli territory but to bomb the shit out of northern isreal and force most of its population to flee so as to put pressure on Tel Aviv, doing so fucks up the kikes economy since most of their food is grown in the north and according to john mearsheimer a good chunk of the 500k jews that fled israel are from the north, along with tying up a good chunk of the idf forces meaning that the now depleted golani brigade is the one that's been fighting non-stop in gaza

If you don't control the land you surrender the ability to have a country. Ask the Irish how much control that had of the country during their occupation. Kicking a hornet's nest does not help you when you live in a toll booth.

 

[namvata]

If you don't control the land you surrender the ability to have a country. Ask the Irish how much control that had of the country during their occupation. Kicking a hornet's nest does not help you when you live in a toll booth.

What the fuck are you even talking about? You're taking Hezbollah, Lebanon, Hamas, and Gaza and talking about them as if they're all the same thing, implying Hezbollah did october 7 to capture northern Israel or something? Just cut it out with the stupid rome larp, what you've just said is probably most low IQ, mutt-brained shit I've heard all week: "they're all brown ay-rabs to me so it's basically the same thing!"

I think you might just be genuinely retarded, sorry I overestimated you and horrifically insulted the JIDF in the process. A member of the JIDF or unit 8200 would at least know the difference between these locations and groups, know who carried out October 7, and from where.

Are you retarded or being disingenuous like catch the rainbow

No I think this guy is just genuinely retarded, doesn't even know who did october 7 or where it happened apparently.

 

[Doctor Love]

"they're all brown arabs to me so it's basically the same thing!"

Genuinely how I see it.

When the Ottomans declared a jihad against the allies, around 3 million went - of which, 1 million immediately defected because they were terrified of actual war. They're keen to attack civilians, and people who can't fight back - a war is where you attack every possible risk factor.

Genuinely - assuming you're an Arab - do you guys not understand how civilisations work? War is a pretty big fucking deal, and the fact that you think that just because a particular brigade of an enemy force was too cowardly to launch a full attack, that makes them "less guilty" - where does this mentality actually come from?

Israel now has two types of country - allied and enemy. Neutral means allied to both, and no Muslim country qualifies. This makes you all enemies. This is called "strategy" - it seems like the entire Muslim world doesn't understand this basic concept. You argue as if you actually believe it, forgetting that the "rule book" was written because the West kept developing apocalyptic weaponry.

Instead, you act like a shit version of the Japanese - they were a functional nation, and they knew that nobody would forget their atrocities. So they tried to fight to the last man.

The USA invented the atom bomb - specifically to solve that problem. To bring so much destruction that everyone in that country would be forced to either die, or forcefully drag stubborn leaders out to make them surrender. Kill everyone until the risk is no longer present.

The rule book isn't even enforced, everyone just intrinsically knows that if one of your team crosses the line, you have to turn your guns on them. Muslims seem to be demanding that the Americans turn their guns on Israel, but in reality, Arab world should be shelling Gaza, and isn't. During World War II, the UK invaded Iceland and destroyed the entire French navy. This is how wars work.

No I think this guy is just genuinely retarded, doesn't even know who did october 7 or where it happened apparently.

This shit is what I'm talking about. It's you who doesn't understand how this works. Israel was looking at the West to say "You'd better have my fucking back, or I'm not going to go easy on them" and Muslims are pointing at eachother, saying "Ah well, the worst atrocities were these ones, here" - doesn't matter. Hezbollah threw rockets, who fucking cares - they picked their hill, and now they can die on it alongside Hamas. Being a bickering, backwards force of cowards doesn't make you morally superior - it shows that you're not even a respectable enemy. It shows that there is literally no value in listening to Arab opinions.

"Not being in Hamas" is third-world cope - I genuinely don't think Arabs understand how civilisation even works, at this point. This is basic shit for how countries work - like, actual nations, not "the loose remains of an empire built on opportunism and slavery"