2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Sargon's wife's son]

whatever happened to Zahi Hawass?

He still has the same job and is currently trying to harass the the British government to give him the Rosetta stone even though it was being used as building material when they found it

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

irl buddy was telling me about some clickbait video about torture camps for Ham-Assers according to shadowy JDF guys and CNN?
anything legit to that or is it "kids in cages" ala Trump

Less torture camps and more prison camp, but part of it is Gitmo-lite and overall the guards hate you because you either were captured in Israel on Oct 7th or in Gaza fighting them as a willing member of Hamas (or it's allies). So to put it in WW2 terms, these guys weren't your drafted soldiers but SS guys. Now imagine if Jews were running the prison camp which held the SS guys, oh and it's 1945, the camps are well known.

 

[Blazeuser56]

Israel is losing the optics war.
Palestine is losing the actual war.

Mfs say "Palestine is gaining more support than Israel!!" as if Israel cares about some retarded faggots supporting the group of people who will throw them off a building

 

[Harambe]

israel has been in gaza for half a year now. what have they done with the tunnels up to this point?
did they try to clear them? flood them with seawater? pump them full of gas? collapse them with explosive? what have they been doing so far?

There’s really not a lot you can do that will definitely work. Flooding is easily overcome and the tunnel networks are too big to viably flood and they can always drain the water with more tunnel. Gas doesn’t work outside of room by room if they make air shafts. Mortars and ground penetrating ordinance piss civilians off royally though since it looks bad to level a city to blow up the real underground city .

 

[Mion Sonozaki]

IDF have found the body of one of the hostages:
snippet:

Louk was the girl whose body was parade by gazan on the back of the pickup truck.
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This is probably what her family and friends expected, still sucks though. Hopefully they can at least get some closure now. I still can't believe one of the terms Hamas "agreed" to a couple weeks ago was "we'll return 33 hostages but uh we can't guarantee they'll be alive." This is why you don't negotiate with terrorists.

hey remember when all the Hamas cheerleaders were insisting Shani Louk was actually alive, trust me bro her mom said it was true because Hamas said so

Do the lamest shit ever like go, "source" to something widely known, widely reported and easily googlable.

If it's so easily "googlable", then provide a source here in the thread so it can be archived.

You keep bringing up all of this stuff without backing your claims up with proof. Making your opposition in an argument/debate do the digging for you is lazy.

 

[The Deep State]

remember when all the Hamas cheerleaders were insisting Shani Louk was actually alive, trust me bro her mom said it was true because Hamas said so

Everyone who saw that video already knew exactly what happened. The Palestine side will just make up and push whatever is convenient. It used to be "she was shot by the IDF and generously taken to Gaza (by Hamas) for treatment", now they'll just add "but the place where she was being treated got struck by an IDF missile" as if the video didn't already confirm she was dead.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

What I found the most interesting about the October 7th attack was the dogged determination of the Palestinian side to claim any instances of rape simply didn't happen.

I don't know who they think they're fooling, I literally watched them Livestream themselves toss grenades into rooms full of unarmed women and children, you think a little rape is beyond them?

 

[Scrumption]

What I found the most interesting about the October 7th attack was the dogged determination of the Palestinian side to claim any instances of rape simply didn't happen.

I don't know who they think they're fooling, I literally watched them Livestream themselves toss grenades into rooms full of unarmed women and children, you think a little rape is beyond them?

If you think that’s interesting, let me tell you something. I was reading through the Arabic language Wikipedia because it tends to be informative on the internal structure of Hamas and has some bios on Hamas officials. I went to read about October 7 to see what story wikipedia offers. We all know English Wikipedia has an agenda, but Arabic Wikipedia doesn’t even try to be subtle.

For starters, there is no page devoted to October 7, you have to go to the page for “Al-Aqsa Flood,” the “military offensive.” It’s insane. The article is long, but not once is there any mention of the Nova festival. The closest it gets is what it calls “The Battle of Re’im” describing it as a resistance raid on a military base. Oct 7 is depicted as a purely military offensive. All kibbutzim are referred to as settlements despite being in Israel proper. There is a mention of the hostages, but it merely says that 40 something “prisoners” were taken back to Gaza. The article only has pictures of injured Palestinians being escorted to hospitals.

Hamas captured Oct 7 in 4K so I don’t understand how anyone would buy into what the Wikipedia entry says. If this is the account of Oct 7 that the Arab public is guzzling, they really must be as brain dead as some of you have insisted.

 

[The Deep State]

@Scrumption
A lot of 3rd world Muslims aren't as active on social media as westerners. For the ones that are, don't expect any of the accounts they're following to touch those viral clips with a 100 ft pole. And even for the ones that do end up seeing them, it means very little because the Muslim team sports mentality trumps everything. "Even if I don't like what I'm seeing, Allah must've wanted this for a reason" - and that's even if they don't like what they're seeing, most will like it or be indifferent to it.

As for the media, you bet your ass they're gonna feed the public a one-sided narrative. For a lot of normie Muslims in the Muslim world, the first thing they saw from this war was Palestinian corpses, and buildings collapsing from IDF bombings. Zero footage of what was done to ~1200 Israelis, not one word about the hostages, and who gives a shit about the "background", we're Muslims, we never dindu nuffin. In their minds, this whole thing is a war of aggression from Israel, and not a response to something atrocious.

 

[Doctor Love]

Mfs say "Palestine is gaining more support than Israel!!" as if Israel cares about some retarded faggots supporting the group of people who will throw them off a building

My opinion is now "So these guys who said they were afraid of racism because of the Holocaust, were just genuinely trying to make innocent white people go to prison? As in, openly and out of sheer unbridled hostility?"

 

[Just_Somebody]

Hamas captured Oct 7 in 4K so I don’t understand how anyone would buy into what the Wikipedia entry says. If this is the account of Oct 7 that the Arab public is guzzling, they really must be as brain dead as some of you have insisted.

Even before this conflict, you can talk to any Egyptian about the Yom Kippur War.

To them, the conflict ends around October 9, after they pushed into the Sinai and the front line stabilized. They basically disregard the Israeli counterattack that led to the Egyptian Third Army being encircled and on the cusp of being destroyed, the IDF crossing the Suez into Egypt proper and were within striking distance to Cairo. Yet they think Egypt's "military victory" led to the return of the Sinai.

This is standard operating procedure for Arabs.

 

[Solid Hyrax]

2 combatants killed by paratroopers on roof:

Spoiler: NSFW

 

[QE65]

Hamas captured Oct 7 in 4K so I don’t understand how anyone would buy into what the Wikipedia entry says.

It's honestly quite wild to read the earlier posts on this thread during the immediate aftermath of the Oct. 7th attack and contrast that to some of the reactions more recently. People have very short attention spans. I suspect quite a few of those protesting and many of the activist types have tunnel vision on this issue, or have TikTok brains that can't recall anything from more than a week ago. You get the same nonsense every time Oct. 7th is raised: "actually, it was an IDF helicopter that killed the Nova festival attendees..." or some other misdirection with zero evidence.

Many pro Palestinian outrage seem to be based on 30 second clips of Israelis strikes or gunfights with zero context. Specifically that video where those two men in a combat zone are hit by a missile. With no context as to where they came from or how they were identified as a target. Contrast that to all of the GoPro footage of Hamas shooting unarmed civilians, going house to house shooting people, beheading that Thai worker with a garden hoe and throwing grenades at children — coupled with the kidnapping which are explicitly a war crime on their own.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Benny Gantz demands a post war Gaza run by international agencies.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/18/israels-gantz-demands-gaza-post-war-plan-threathens-to-quit-govt

Just what sort of "international institution" should run this? The UN? The same UN whose own workers participated in the October 7 Attack? Certainly not the USA and EU. The Palestinians would never accept that.

At this point my Schizo theory about the Vatican City being the best option makes more sense since that Vatican is not fully part of the international system, treaties and so on that literally any other potential state is. The Orders Militant are still around, and I am sure the Swiss Guards could probably find a ready pool of recruits for security missions. Of course, its doubtful the Palestinians would go for it, especially after Hamas whips them up about "Crusaders" taking control of "their land".

Its all so tedious. Somebody has to be given the greenlight to end this conflict decisively. If Israel can't do it, maybe the just let the Fucking Pope bring the light of God to the heathens. Something. Something definitive and final. But no.

We'll get another gay ass half measure and we'll be right back at it in 20 years.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

2 combatants killed by paratroopers on roof:

Spoiler: NSFW

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Homie popped up exactly where his buddy did an old school Medal of Honor death animation, what did he think would happen?

Not even gonna lie though, I do dumb shit like that in Squad regularly.

 

[Screamer_2]

What I found the most interesting about the October 7th attack was the dogged determination of the Palestinian side to claim any instances of rape simply didn't happen.

I don't know who they think they're fooling, I literally watched them Livestream themselves toss grenades into rooms full of unarmed women and children, you think a little rape is beyond them?

The first instinct of the Israelis is to lie. So you have the horror of Oct 7. Then you get a shit tonne of lies about mass rapes and beheaded babies. You have news outlets like the New York Times pumping out fake propaganda pieces which their own staff immediately revolt at for having no journalistic standards. You have Israel running around behind closed doors showing the media class videos of OCT 7 mixed with any video of horror by Muslims. Heavily leaning on ISIS atrocities and crimes claiming it's OCT 7.

So it's no wonder people then start to doubt the claims. So whether or not rapes happened. That doesn't change that they lied about rapes and spread it as deliberate propaganda to support the mass slaughter they're conducting. Riling up their own people and bringing out a lot of dormant colonial racism in the west to support the ethnic cleansing of "savages. "

So it's a case of rapes may have occurred, but they always lied about rapes to support committing horrors. So I can't blame people who are against the war crime atrocities to be pointing out they lied to rile up support for the genocide. Whether or not rapes occured.

 

[make_it_so]

luckily the Egyptian military threw them out of power when they got elected that's why I laugh at people when they say the Arab Spring was the CIA yeah we overthrew the guy who was already in the United states sphere of influence in Egypt

You completely underestimate the sheer amount of Peter-Principled incompetence and malignant stupidity in the American Intelligence/Foreign Affairs complex. Remember, these are the same imbeciles who spent a lot of time and money trying to prop up jihadist groups in Chechnya and Dagestan in the late 90s/early 2000s simply because they were still stuck in the eternal Cold War hostile position against Russia, and many of these would ultimately go on to fight and kill US soldiers in Iraq, join ISIS, or in the case of the Tsarnaev brothers blow up large numbers of American citizens on US soil.

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Israel is losing the optics war.
Palestine is losing the actual war.

People are rating this dumb, but I actually have to agree.
I have never in my life seen so many people just outright say it’s The Jews. Normal, regular people are talking about The Jews. And let’s be real honest, every single time an Israeli Jew or supporter of them talks about this it immediately sours people to them as a group. Look at Gad Saad on JRE, everyone says that his kvetching over Palestine an sheeit was exactly they are starting to hate Israel.
People are worried about antisemitism while causing it by being so stereotypically Jewish about all this. Even normies are going “fuck Israel, they clearly hate us and think we’re niggercattle.”

 

[QE65]

The first instinct of the Israelis is to lie. So you have the horror of Oct 7. Then you get a shit tonne of lies about mass rapes and beheaded babies. You have news outlets like the New York Times pumping out fake propaganda pieces which their own staff immediately revolt at for having no journalistic standards.

Yes, but the beheaded babies story didn't originate from the Israelis. It came from a reporter overhearing some word-of-mouth claim at a Kibbutz and then it spiraled out from there, mainly through Xitter. This goes for both sides. Remember the Al Shifa hospital rocket strike? There were a number of mainstream sources, including the BBC, uncritically running the claim that 500 people had died and that the hospital had been leveled.

That doesn't change that they lied about rapes and spread it as deliberate propaganda to support the mass slaughter they're conducting. Riling up their own people and bringing out a lot of dormant colonial racism in the west to support the ethnic cleansing of "savages. "

This is a conflict where the majority of the onlookers are informing themselves through headlines and short TikTok clips with zero context. This is a recipe for riling up anyone, whichever side you support. It doesn't help anyone actually get to the truth of what is taking place on the ground (or under it).

 

[EyeGuy]

Jabalia:

Zeitoun:

Lebanon:

Israeli fighter jets struck a building in southern Lebanon's Maroun al-Ras where Hezbollah operatives were identified, the military says.

The IDF says the operatives were spotted near the building, known to be used by the terror group, by soldiers of the 869th Combat Intelligence Collection Unit.

Earlier, some 10 rockets were fired from Lebanon at the Malkia and Mount Dov areas on the border. The IDF says there are no injuries and that it shelled the launch sites with artillery.

Hamas footage of former 7 and 15 year old hostages released by IDF:

The IDF releases footage recovered from the Gaza Strip, showing former hostages Ela and Dafna Elyakim being filmed by Hamas terrorists.