Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

To this day you can still find The Last Jedi characters like Rose Tico and Admiral Holdo clogging up store shelves. Their astroturfing worked on gay internet critics, but kids didn't fall for that shit.
The kids are going to be okay
Prequels told an actual story from start to finish.
Wasn't the best story Lucas could tell with all that money, but compared to the sequel mess Anakin's fall to evil seems like a Greek Epic.
The sequels just told us the story analysts thought the audience wanted to see, which resulted in Palpatine somehow returning and the dumbest retcon in movie history.
The Sequels were clearly made with critiques like RLM as an inspiration so they wanted to tell an "airtight" and "logical" story that was constantly self depricating and characters poking fun at the world around them. To this day, I don't Disney has realized that people don't want Star Wars parodies, they want Star Wars to take itself seriously.
 
To this day, I don't Disney has realized that people don't want Star Wars parodies, they want Star Wars to take itself seriously.
that's nearly every current year state of franchises
i just finished rogue trader which took the whole grimdark setting of 40k seriously and it was one of the best games in recent memory, which is just fucking sad
so much modern "escapism" is just inserting the retardation of today in a place where it has no right to exist while also mocking that place
 
The prequels outside of clones maybe were never as massively hated as 2010 YouTubers would have you believe. Only terminally online Star Wars fans hated them and even up to Revenge of the Sith the reception on most forums was largely positive.

I was online in Star Wars communities when the prequels came out in whatever proto internet we had back then. The prequels were always things that never met expectations with a bunch of really obvious things that were not as good as they should have been. Namely some acting and dialogue. The good always out weighed the bad. I wouldn't have seen TPM 3 or more times on original release in the cinema if it sucked. I saw the next two films at sold out midnight screenings. People were always there for them.


It was only after the Red Letter Media reviews dropped that this narrative that the Star Wars prequels were terrible began to be pushed so significantly.

I haven't seen them for years, so I may be wrong but the problem with them is they're just about criticising. They're flawed films but there's a lot that can also be celebrated and I don't recall those videos ever getting into that aspect. "Here's all the bad stuff." You could literally do that for most films. It's why shit like Cinema Sins is so trash. You can tear anything apart. The prequels for all their obvious and recognisable flaws still have a lot of great stuff about them because they were actually thought out. There was a story and artistic intention to them. It just wasn't executed to the fine precision we wanted but that is ok. It's far far better than the hollow soulessness of the sequels.

The reason Andor stands out amongst the Disney shit is that it actually comes across like something actually thought about what they were doing. Where it was going. I know that's kind of mandated by Rogue One, but that's ok. It's just not, "here's some Star Wars shit." Mandolorian was fine as a sandbox but then went crap after they decided it was to fit into multitude of shit other shows with no direction.

Its really funny when Sequel fans defend Palpatine's return when it was really blatant that was never the plan. If it was, I'm sure his actor wouldn't say he was surprised when he was asked.
Are there actually fans of the sequels who defend this?

There's some subs on Reddit which I can't tell if it's people trolling each other in a circle jerk or bots. I have never met anyone who likes the sequels. I have a younger relative who didn't come up on Star Wars, liked the sequels. Liked The Last Jedi and by The Rise of Skywalker didn't even bother seeing it.
 
I haven't seen them for years, so I may be wrong but the problem with them is they're just about criticising.
Well, there's also instances of RLM just flagrantly getting shit wrong, because their OT nostalgia goggles are welded so tightly to their eye-sockets, that they're bonded on a subatomic level. A perfect example is when the first Plinkett video bitches and moans about midichlorians, stating that it's such a bizarre addition because "midichlorians never even come up again in the future movies."

...you know, except for that opera house scene with Palpatine and Anakin in ROTS where the former is regaling the tale of Darth Plagueis, marveling at how he could "manipulate the midichlorians to create life." Literally the secret to immortality that gets Anakin's attention to save Padme, and starts his obsessive plunge to the Dark Side.

And this is years in advance of them saying that the PT was bad, but Farce Awakens and the irredeemable putrid garbage like Kenobi show were both good. So take that for what you will.
 
To this day, I don't Disney has realized that people don't want Star Wars parodies, they want Star Wars to take itself seriously.
I just want an adventure a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. The passion for the source material just isn't there, say what you want about George Lucas but he had a real love for the world and characters.

Old-school EU stuff like Thrawn and Rogue Squadron was awesome and had a lot of cool games, comics and novels. Killed all that off to give us this crap. Oh well, at least I can still fire up Galactic Battlegrounds if I want some AOE2 Star Wars.
 
I was online in Star Wars communities when the prequels came out in whatever proto internet we had back then. The prequels were always things that never met expectations with a bunch of really obvious things that were not as good as they should have been. Namely some acting and dialogue. The good always out weighed the bad. I wouldn't have seen TPM 3 or more times on original release in the cinema if it sucked. I saw the next two films at sold out midnight screenings. People were always there for them.
Basically, yes. Most normies loved 'em and saw them as good movies. Flawed, sure, but good. And the same was said of the original trilogy, where yes, some people, including the actors, complained about the dialogue, and ROTJ was clearly dashing to the finish line to the point where the ending was a bit clumsy for the film, but the fun bits outweighed the bad, so we didn't care.

The thing is, criticizing the Prequels became this factory of content for would-be reviewers, especially since it was an extreme opinion back in the old days, when most folks really didn't think that badly of the PT, to say that they were bad was a sort of extreme opinion and backing it up with reasons why was a way for a reviewer to build some clout and gain some notoriety.

The reason Andor stands out amongst the Disney shit is that it actually comes across like something actually thought about what they were doing. Where it was going. I know that's kind of mandated by Rogue One, but that's ok. It's just not, "here's some Star Wars shit." Mandolorian was fine as a sandbox but then went crap after they decided it was to fit into multitude of shit other shows with no direction.
I'd say it was due to the fact that Andor treated Star Wars as a living, breathing world instead of a fancy amusement park. That, and the increasing normie appreciation for SW politics that started with TCW helped make Andor's political stuff work well.

I haven't seen them for years, so I may be wrong but the problem with them is they're just about criticising. They're flawed films but there's a lot that can also be celebrated and I don't recall those videos ever getting into that aspect. "Here's all the bad stuff." You could literally do that for most films. It's why shit like Cinema Sins is so trash. You can tear anything apart. The prequels for all their obvious and recognisable flaws still have a lot of great stuff about them because they were actually thought out. There was a story and artistic intention to them. It just wasn't executed to the fine precision we wanted but that is ok. It's far far better than the hollow soulessness of the sequels.
RLM preferred TFA to the PT, which goes to show they'll go for shallow remakes instead of something with some essence just for clicks.

I mean, some of their criticisms and proposed solutions make no sense, especially if you know the story. Like having the clones be Uruks invading the Republic; that would just make the Jedi into heroes when they win and make Order 66 impossible. Or how they proposed that the whole Jedi Council go to fight Maul; the point was that the Jedi Council didn't believe Qui-Gon when he called Maul a Sith Lord, and told him to continue investigating on Naboo.

Are there actually fans of the sequels who defend this?
Most ST fans I know actually hate the Rise of Skywalker and said that they should've doubled-down on what TLJ brought forth.

I just want an adventure a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. The passion for the source material just isn't there, say what you want about George Lucas but he had a real love for the world and characters.

Old-school EU stuff like Thrawn and Rogue Squadron was awesome and had a lot of cool games, comics and novels. Killed all that off to give us this crap. Oh well, at least I can still fire up Galactic Battlegrounds if I want some AOE2 Star Wars.
That's the problem. Modern SW treats these things like an obligation they don't want to do. Or as something they can use as a soapbox. Old SW was run by people with passion and love for the lore and the world, so games like Rogue Squadron and Galactic Battlegrounds felt like they respected SW lore, and even the Thrawn Trilogy respected the SW lorebooks that came before it.
 
Could you elaborate? I've heard nothing but praise and I want to hear the opinions from the other side.

Looks like my headcanon of the Corellians doing all the heavy lifting was actually right all along, who would've thought?

Bad Batch starting during and taking place immediately after RotS was actually pretty interesting, but unfortunately the show was tethered to the least interesting characters possible during that time frame.

Disney+ is a service where people pay $10/month for unlimited access to The Simpsons and Disney uses that money to create an unending stream of slop to so that they can advertise the fact that there's new content being made all the time despite the fact that nobody really cares outside of reaction youtubers and autistic Filoni fanboys.

Not in Disney wars, they all have normal human skin now! Isn't that great?!
Yea, they had a variety of face paints and stuff as well. That’s just gone now with the exception of Ahsoka.
 
And its believed its one of the many reasons (since it wasnt the only one, come on, guys) that George Lucas sold the franchise to Disney.

I hate him for that but I also wonder if I wouldnt have done myself as a way to get revenge back at actually entitled snobby fans.

"You think Im bad? Mf, you better start praying because you are about to meet the devil that goes 'Hahaha!' "

I doubt G.L didnt know Disney would ruin everything. He had insight within the industry so he must have known the friendly image is always a façade.

George knew exactly how bad Disney was going to be to the franchise. Hence why he was going around cancelling all the third party SW game projects and allowed the force unleashed to be released in the state it was in. Its not like he could just tell Disney "Lol. No." without being disappeared the next day.

Its why 1313, the darth maul game, and first assault were shut down by him. The disney era BS about 1313 was fake because no one was working on that project after the acquisition. Rogue leaders never got out of legal hell either despite being completed for the Wii, and BF3 was also indirectly cancelled by him giving marching orders to Lucasarts to withhold payments to third party developers.
 
Just crossposting this into this thread.
Someone has created a new 4-hour long video about the Star Wars hotel disaster.
The Spectacular Failure of the Star Wars Hotel
Highlights:
  • The hotel didn't have a conventional fire escape, it had a 'fire closet' aka a consoomer pod that you're supposed to wait in until help arrives built in each room.
  • Cramped rooms with poor lighting controls and apparently Disney was too cheap to include Disney + in the cost of your $6000 stay.
  • They only let you into the park for several hours where your 'immersion' task is to run around and scan QR codes on an app that doesn't work half the time
  • Rushed activities where scheduled that resembled a crappy dinner show with exciting fillers like bingo, card games, & group dancing.
  • Most of the bigger events were simple button pushing or meaningless tasks that would be exciting for your 8 year old
 
George knew exactly how bad Disney was going to be to the franchise. Hence why he was going around cancelling all the third party SW game projects and allowed the force unleashed to be released in the state it was in. Its not like he could just tell Disney "Lol. No." without being disappeared the next day.

Its why 1313, the darth maul game, and first assault were shut down by him. The disney era BS about 1313 was fake because no one was working on that project after the acquisition. Rogue leaders never got out of legal hell either despite being completed for the Wii, and BF3 was also indirectly cancelled by him giving marching orders to Lucasarts to withhold payments to third party developers.

So are you implying that Disney made an offcer George couldnt refuse and there was really no choice in the matter?

Man, what a vile company.
 
So are you implying that Disney made an offcer George couldnt refuse and there was really no choice in the matter?

Man, what a vile company.
Pretty much what it sounded like behind the scenes. Remember his "white slavers" comment in reference to selling off the franchise to them? At least he's happy making indie films for friends and family now and retired.
 
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So are you implying that Disney made an offcer George couldnt refuse and there was really no choice in the matter?
Bob Iger, I think, wrote about this in his book. The short of it was that Iger told Lucas, "Look, you're old and fat and your kids don't give a fuck about Star Wars. Sell it to me or who knows will control it after you die. We'll make sure Kathleen Kennedy controls it. Remember her?".
 
Old SW was run by people with passion and love for the lore and the world, so games like Rogue Squadron and Galactic Battlegrounds felt like they respected SW lore, and even the Thrawn Trilogy respected the SW lorebooks that came before it.
This is why I still like the KOTOR games and the EU up to now. The people back then cared about the franchise, if not the lore and some good storytelling.
 
This is why I still like the KOTOR games and the EU up to now. The people back then cared about the franchise, if not the lore and some good storytelling.
The people who made the games, especially, got the feel of the lore right. Something about SW games, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, really showed a lot of care and devotion to crafting an experience for a shared universe, not just a work that is a world unto itself. It did the MCU thing better than the actual MCU.

For example, if you play Republic Commando and go up against Super Battle Droids as a Clone Commando, unless you're really smart or you use a shit ton of EMP grenades, you are going to get your candy ass handed to you by these big metal monsters. If you play Revenge of the Sith the Video Game and go up against Super Battle Droids as a Jedi, you can pretty much tear them to pieces like they're made of cardboard; sure, they can do some decent damage against you if you don't block, but you can pretty much run them down if you focused on them. It goes to show the power disparity between elite clones and Jedi, and why you can't easily kill them. It shows world-building and how powerful the Jedi are compared to the normal chump, even if the normal chump is augmented with super-armor and energy shields.
 
This is why I still like the KOTOR games and the EU up to now. The people back then cared about the franchise, if not the lore and some good storytelling.
I was watching a video about that Star Wars Roleplay hotel that went belly up last year. From the art, to the writing of the scenarios, to the promotion, you can tell how little the suits cared about telling an organic narrative and letting fans be interested in the lore. Planets, aliens, backstories for characters, it all just exists to sell product. No one actually cares what it's all about.
 
The people who made the games, especially, got the feel of the lore right. Something about SW games, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, really showed a lot of care and devotion to crafting an experience for a shared universe, not just a work that is a world unto itself. It did the MCU thing better than the actual MCU.

For example, if you play Republic Commando and go up against Super Battle Droids as a Clone Commando, unless you're really smart or you use a shit ton of EMP grenades, you are going to get your candy ass handed to you by these big metal monsters. If you play Revenge of the Sith the Video Game and go up against Super Battle Droids as a Jedi, you can pretty much tear them to pieces like they're made of cardboard; sure, they can do some decent damage against you if you don't block, but you can pretty much run them down if you focused on them. It goes to show the power disparity between elite clones and Jedi, and why you can't easily kill them. It shows world-building and how powerful the Jedi are compared to the normal chump, even if the normal chump is augmented with super-armor and energy shields.
I forgot to add the Star Wars Dark Forces/Jedi Knight game series to the list since the Dark Troopers from the Mandalorian obviously copied it from Dark Forces itself. That was a game series that I liked as I grew up - a force-sensitive mercenary against multiple Dark Jedi and the introduction of Mara Jade. Another reason why this Disney Star Wars seemed "meh" to me nowadays when they just copy the concepts from the EU to their canon like how Palpatine is alive again in Ep. 9.
 
How people managed to interpret Midichlorians as a power level thing is a mystery.
indeed, them being counted and apparently correlating to power (after all anakin has more than yoda, and "no jedi has"), it truly is a mystery how people could interpret that...

Well, there's also instances of RLM just flagrantly getting shit wrong, because their OT nostalgia goggles are welded so tightly to their eye-sockets, that they're bonded on a subatomic level. A perfect example is when the first Plinkett video bitches and moans about midichlorians, stating that it's such a bizarre addition because "midichlorians never even come up again in the future movies."
once you understand they're actual trekkies and star wars is just low-brow pleb scifi, it makes more sense.

you can take solace from the fact that trek got raped way harder than star wars. disney is just greedy and incompetent, paramount is outright spiteful and malevolent. and they got shat on by captain kirk himself, karma is a bitch :story:
 
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