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[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

And the Chinese military hasn't seen combat in nearly half a century. The US has.

In a conventional war, the US can easily buttfuck a near-peer enemy

When did the US last fight a near-peer enemy? Asking for a friend.

 

[Meat Target]

When did the US last fight a near-peer enemy? Asking for a friend.

Honestly? Probably not since WW2 or Korea. The closest thing in recent memory would probably be Saddam's Iraq, and that's still a far cry from "near peer", since Saddam had Soviet hand-me-down equipment and Fedayeen militias backing him.

That's just the MIC for ya. Old habits die hard.

 

[TJT]

And the Chinese military hasn't seen combat in nearly half a century. The US has.

In a conventional war, the US can easily buttfuck a near-peer enemy, nukes notwithstanding. But that's also why the US ultimately lost GWOT: it isn't configured for an asymmetrical conflict with non-state actors, and thus got bogged down doing pest control for 20 years.

The US is not prepared for a near-peer war of attrition in any way. We are psychotically loss adverse. The MIC is in shambles when it comes to mass production, something that would take a decade to correct even if we had very serious people in charge. Where we only have clowns. In 2024 we don't even have the resources do to a repeat of Iraq 2003.

And the biggest problem. We have no real ability to mobilize as a draft is politically and ideologically impossible. Due to the Boomer generation effectively killing the concept of Civic Service in America during Vietnam.

 

[Meat Target]

The US is not prepared for a near-peer war of attrition in any way. We are psychotically loss adverse. The MIC is in shambles when it comes to mass production, something that would take a decade to correct even if we had very serious people in charge. Where we only have clowns. In 2024 we don't even have the resources do to a repeat of Iraq 2003.

And the biggest problem. We have no real ability to mobilize as a draft is politically and ideologically impossible. Due to the Boomer generation effectively killing the concept of Civic Service in America during Vietnam.

...Oh, duh. Right, I forgot about that.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Drone strikes don't win wars numbnuts.

See Afghanistan for details.

The Taliban is and always has been a guerilla ops organization. The Chinese army is not. Plus, give the cave dwelling towel heads some credit. We trained almost all of them, so all of them were using CIA guerilla warfare tactics. That's why they lasted as long as they did. We did not train the Chinese army. The Chinese army has also had the strategy of Human Meat Shield for hundreds of years, which is not conducive to drone warfare.

 

[The Ugly One]

The Chinese don't have any ability to fight a war of attrition, either. Their population is collapsing, nearly all families only have one child, meaning each casualty ruins a family, permanently. China vs the USA would be the greatest tard fight in history since the Romans & Persians ruined each other in the 7th century.

 

[draggs]

That was with generations who believed in taking risks (as in "a little bit of radiation isn't so bad") and had the skills. There aren't enough people with the skills in this day and age. And a plenty of them who do like the 60 year old dudes about to retire will die because they live in suburbs which will be annihilated. The US would be lucky to remain in one piece, and the only reason it would is that blowing up major shithole cities on West Coast plus Dallas, Houston, and probably Denver (it's also a major nuke target along with most of the Front Range in Colorado) while discrediting neocon and globalist ideologies would do wonders in helping this country get on the right track.

There is no local fallout with air bursts, so a little radiation isn't even an issue unless you're there when it explodes. I'm sorry, what, the US population in 1940 was 132 million and today it is 334 million. In 1940, 50% of adults had a high school diploma. In 2022 it was 91.2%. In 2022, 34.7 million worked in "the trades." There is no reason the suburbs would be "annihilated" as they aren't valuable targets. You're just talking out your ass with Poltard Facts(TM), aka emotional never-touched-grass Expertise(TM), as usual in this shithole

A limited nuclear exchange isn't going to damage any large country enough that it could "never recover." You need detonation on the warheads set for closer to ground level to ensure lots of local fallout, or a full exchange with hundreds or thousands of mushroom clouds all the way across the US or China or Russia, for that

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

The US is not prepared for a near-peer war of attrition in any way.

Nobody is.

We are psychotically loss adverse.

Everybody is. averse

Remember this every time, everyone.

 

[TJT]

People really don't understand the scale of the USMIL decline. Seemingly referring to 1941, and even around 1985 when our military reached its peak as being just the other day. That a simple handwave and we will be back in perfect shape. Just ain't happening.

In 1991 we had over 600k+ uniformed US servicemen in Iraq. In 2008 at the very height of the Troop Surge we didn't even have 200k in the entire country, and far less in Afghanistan, and we couldn't do that again in 2024.

Our ability to manufacture is in the toilet. This is something that simply cannot be handwaved away. Bringing a munitions industry online wouldn't be done in a few months. It would be years.

As far as China. 50% of all maritime tonnage is built in Chinese shipyards in 2024. This was reversed in 1941. The Jones Act of 1920 created a monopoly in US Shipyards. With our remaining shipyards all being owned by the same interests and produce very little at extreme cost. As they have no competition. This would have to be reversed too.

 

[Meat Target]

Their population is collapsing, nearly all families only have one child, meaning each casualty ruins a family, permanently.

Since when do the Chinese value an individual human life?

 

[clipartfan92]

Bloomberg/Morning Consult swing states tracking poll.
Topline PDF (archive.org)

 

[draggs]

People really don't understand the scale of the USMIL decline. Seemingly referring to 1941, and even around 1985 when our military reached its peak as being just the other day. That a simple handwave and we will be back in perfect shape. Just ain't happening.

In 1991 we had over 600k+ uniformed US servicemen in Iraq. In 2008 at the very height of the Troop Surge we didn't even have 200k in the entire country, and far less in Afghanistan, and we couldn't do that again in 2024.

Our ability to manufacture is in the toilet. This is something that simply cannot be handwaved away. Bringing a munitions industry online wouldn't be done in a few months. It would be years.

As far as China. 50% of all maritime tonnage is built in Chinese shipyards in 2024. This was reversed in 1941. The Jones Act of 1920 created a monopoly in US Shipyards. With our remaining shipyards all being owned by the same interests and produce very little at extreme cost. As they have no competition. This would have to be reversed too.

Sure is lots of Poltard Expertise(TM) around today

Munitions industry doubled 155mm shell production from 2022 to 2023 and is going to double or triple the 2023 level this year. Stocks of aerial munitions (bombs, missiles both air-to-air and surface-to-air and surface-to-surface) are good and production increasing as well. US manufacturing would be the 8th largest economy in the world, just behind the total GDP of France, if it were its own country. Don't worry about stuff you've never done like making things

 

[TJT]

Nobody is.


Everybody is. averse

Remember this every time, everyone.

You misunderstand me boyo.

If the US Army lost today an entire brigade of some ~15000 soldiers it would take years to replace it and it would drop a nuke in our political leadership. Vietnam forever changed the landscape about this. Vietnam "only" 50k soldiers died in a decade of conflict. Korea killed off ~40k in barely 3 years.

There's no pearl harbor event that would get the volunteer numbers up or make the draft feasible. The US populace is not primed for service like they were in previous generations. They have been primed to refuse service.

Nations willing to actually spill blood for victory are the only ones being serious.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

And the biggest problem. We have no real ability to mobilize as a draft is politically and ideologically impossible. Due to the Boomer generation effectively killing the concept of Civic Service in America during Vietnam.

I wouldn't be too certain about that honestly. People are not willing to die in Ukraine for Biden's warmongering, but if you ask young men about China, you get a pause. I think you underestimate how much people in the US REALLY fucking hate China. Gen Z and Millennials never really understood why Russia was such a threat. Instead they do all seem to understand that China is a piece of garbage that needs to go the way of the dinosaur. A war against China would be a much more successful campaign for the US than any war in Ukraine ever would be. China is the new Russia and a lot of conservatives seem to desire the complete destruction of the Chinese Communist state if you asked them.

 

[TJT]

Sure is lots of Poltard Expertise(TM) around today

Munitions industry doubled 155mm shell production from 2022 to 2023 and is going to double or triple the 2023 level this year. Stocks of aerial munitions (bombs, missiles both air-to-air and surface-to-air and surface-to-surface) are good and production increasing as well. US manufacturing would be the 8th largest economy in the world, just behind the total GDP of France, if it were its own country. Don't worry about stuff you've never done like making things

Use a single munitions type over several years of investment as a blanket statement across the entire industry.

Classic!

 

[GunCar Gary]

Bloomberg/Morning Consult swing states tracking poll.
Topline PDF (archive.org)

here's pictures of the polls

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

A war against China would be a much more successful campaign for the US than any war in Ukraine ever would be.

Social media has probably actually ruined any real hope of that. Not for any of the anti-US/Conservative censorship/whatever shit, but because its convinced people they can do their part for a thing and fight for the right thing by sitting at home and slapping a hashtag on a tweet that gets a million updoots. These younger folks who are eager to deal with these problematic world elements sees their position in that fight as the big voice, while someone else goes to die for it. The war tourist population is already being ground out in Ukraine, and that was the extent of what could be mustered up for a war painted as the rebellion against the evil empire, the worlds greatest challenge to stop Putler at the gates. Their numbers amounted to thousands of volunteers.

Thousands of fighters would last a few days tops trying to get through the first of the lower tier cities. The willingness to start the war might be there, but not to fight it themselves, and certainly not to live the consequences of it on the homefront.

 

[draggs]

Use a single munitions type over several years of investment as a blanket statement across the entire industry.

Classic!

I don't see you bringing any numbers, just Poltard Facts(TM)

Tell us about how you and your uncle work at Nintendo I mean General Dynamics or whatever like that other Poltard who likes to talk out of his ass about military production

Artillery shells, missiles, and bombs are not a single munitions type lmao. Some parts of their explosives are the same and there's metal in all three but that's about it

 

[Meat Target]

Sure is lots of Poltard Expertise(TM) around today

Munitions industry doubled 155mm shell production from 2022 to 2023 and is going to double or triple the 2023 level this year. Stocks of aerial munitions (bombs, missiles both air-to-air and surface-to-air and surface-to-surface) are good and production increasing as well. US manufacturing would be the 8th largest economy in the world, just behind the total GDP of France, if it were its own country. Don't worry about stuff you've never done like making things

Paging @Jet Fuel Johnny, someone needs a lesson.

 

[pwnest injun]

Being ready for war only matters so much. War is something that gets worked out in practice, through adaptation and innovation.

The US has tons of problems in the officer corps, but American citizens are extremely capable at finding novel ways to achieve military objectives.