Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[Male Idiot]

also one of the dwarven prologues (can't remember which one), and iirc the smuggler in TOR.
all in all it's more hit or miss than the total shitheap we get these days...

Who did the Agent one? Josh Strife Hayes played smuggler, said it was bad, and went for Agent, and said people should download the game for that alone.

Hopefully with AI voices we'll be able to get fully voiced characters with more than just a few options.

 

[Ishtar]

I liked him for the most part, his odd comments, his mysterious ways, his suspicious knowledge of things and his bickering with the fag and the she-boon.

But something was always off with him, like I needed to have just a little more to make him a justifiably unlikable character or relatable to us. Even as an elf players I had too little options to understand some of its positions without the last DLC.
He also has a "whiny bitch" side to him, his angst were at times too immature to realy fit the character I would say, even more so after I played the last DLC.

I found him undercooked in the DLCs. He is no Archdemon with barely sentient hords of corrupt species at his command. He is supposed to be one the oldest living things on the planet and the ending I got made clear he was about to raise elf armies to save its own kind(and also wrecking the world by "mending" the veil). Alas I could not try to reason, cooperate or side with him properly just "because". A far cry from DAO and other RPGs in which you can side with evil or more neutral parties.

My biggest issue with Solas is he lacks the charismatic presence you would expect a figure like him to have.

He's basically Loki(or a rough equivalent trickster deity archetype) who created the world as it exists. And he feels terrible about it because it destroyed and broke his people-so he wants to undo his former work and destroy the current world. Bringing back the world of his time and restoring his people.

In principle that's a great concept-but they went with Solas being this understated and unassuming figure, adding to the whole reveal at the end-but in doing so, it made him feel kinda weaksauce honestly.

I do think the voice acting for Solas is great, but as a villain he just doesn't have the same presence as say the Arishok-if we're simply using Dragon Age games as a comparison.

(I realize too he wasn't the villain in DAI but it still feels like they overdid the unassuming elven apostate at the expense of reawakened god on a mission).

When Solas was first introduced, he was so boring and non-descript that I thought he was going to be a noname NPC who would exit the story or get killed quickly.

Watch a movie and you can tell within seconds what role a character is likely going to fill: the facial features, the clothing design, the camera lingering on their face, etc. Inversely that's also why low quality or amateur movies can be tedious to follow, as they keep accidentally sending the audience incorrect clues.

That's why I'm not sure it was 100% intentional that such an important character, not only in the plot but also the whole in-universe lore, is visually one step removed from a villager NPC model, but it worked out in the end. It sort of reminded me of a detective story where some non-assuming background character is gradually revealed to be the murderer.

Given it was apparently planned from the beginning(you can see actual hints of it even in the early game once you played it twice). It was most definitely intentional.

 

[Mola Ram]

It was most definitely intentional.

Varric even highlights it, although you won't realize it the first time you hear this particular bit of banter.

• Iron Bull: Hey, Varric, I was reading your stuff... Where do your bad guys come from?
• Varric: Well, some of them come from Tevinter and some are Ben-Hassrath spies... but I like the stories where the villain was the man beside you the whole time. The best villains don't see themselves as evil. They're fighting for a good cause, willing to get their hands dirty.
• Iron Bull: All right, that's really deep and all, but I meant where do the bad guys come from literally? The way you write it, it's like they just fall from the sky and land on top on the hero.
• Varric: I like to leave some things to the reader's imagination.

 

[DagothUr]

I didn't bother with the story that much in the game itself and I've not done the DLCs yet, so I only got this stuff second-hand from the wiki and other places. But I think the idea of the entire elven mythos and lore being a sham is kind of cool, and its kind of funny how Solas hates the dalish for being LARPers.
It also has interesting implications for why the fade is so scuffed now, how the world actually was before he created the veil and how much of the chantry teaching is real.
Solas himself is kind of just a boring nobody, so I didn't really use him or talk to him.

Unfortunately we will never get a good answer for any of this. If DA4 comes out at all, the NuBioware writers will have definitely mangled the story to be an allegory for Trump or some other wokeshit. And if they won't, the faggots who write the books will.

Muhfuggin rayciss ass nigga Solas is an elf supremacist trying to make Arlathan great again.

 

[Übertroon]

It really hurts because Tevinter as a setting is far more interesting than Ferelden or Orlais, it should be the darkest story in the series, but the setting has gotten completely defanged, Tevinter is now filled with homosexuals, and all the teaser art looks like it comes from a graphics novel for 8 year olds

 

[Ishtar]

Tevinter should be this really cool place where Mages rule, where political competition makes Orlais look like a hamlet, and where the Chantry and Templars are completely neutered. Subordinate to the Magisterium.

One could make a parallel to IDK Rome and Byzantium and Western Europe, or the Avignon Papal split, (DA does occasionally make some good historical analogies if roughly). I mean we saw Alexius experimenting with time magic-Tevinter should be this wondrous and terrible fantasy Byzantium, where magical duels in the street are normal, weird magisters have "let me try to bind 10,000 demons to make saltwater drinkable" or some crazy shit be quest lines. It should be a colorful, wondrous yet also strangely horrifying place at once.

Add on Seheron and the long running war with the Qunari, political stuff with Antiva and Navarra. And Solas apparently acquiring an army of disaffected elves for his cause, and you could have an amazing game.

Will it be so? I doubt it.

Regardless, it and ME4 will basically decide if Bioware still exists by the end of the decade.

My guess is they'll both flop or at best get mixed reviews and EA will toss what remains of Bioware in the trash can.

 

[Johan Hulth]

Didn't Morrigan whole quest line was about Flemeth had to raise a daughter to body snatch everytime her body is aging/dying? Or was that retcon too?

Depending on player choices this does happen if Morrigan drinks from the Well of Sorrows. Unwittingly through her own hubris, Morrigan becomes what she was running from. Flemeth is Mythal, so whether her drinking from the well means Morrigan is just a servant, or will inherit Mythal, is a bit ambiguous. This stuff is probably the best part of Inquisition, with different versions depending on the Old God baby choice in Origins.

 

[White_N]

Just to illustrate what a ludicrous downgrade occurred in Biowire's writing within the same series
DA 1: Sten said that you can't easily summarize a whole group of people by saying something like "elves are a lithe, pointy-eared people who excel at poverty."

DA 3 word for word :

https://dragonageinquisition.wiki.fextralife.com/Races

I can't wait to learn in the fourth installment how Tevinter actually used magic, only known as Tricknology, to get where they are

 

[Mega Black]

I always hated Anders, from the first time I met him. His literal first line is a fucking fourth wall breaking reference to The Simpsons.

It is miraculous that you basically have two entirely different Anders across DA I - II and they're BOTH insufferable fucks for entirely different reasons.

At least you can knife him at the end of DA II.

totally believe its going to be an outdated whedonesque-mar-vel faggotry alas saints row 4. i hope it kills bioware for good

Watch the Netflix show and you pretty much get exactly that. Not that the series hasn't had terminal brain rot setting in since DA II, at the earliest.

It had a dedicated "Whedon" button in every dialogue scene, after all.

Thedas is just another not too serious Forgotten Realms setting now, unfortunately.

My biggest issue with Solas is he lacks the charismatic presence you would expect a figure like him to have

It's because he is a waify thin little Q-ball dork, especially in Inquisition where the animation and character design is fucking abysmal. He looks like a complete retard, and basically acts like one too. I never bought into him as a good main villain because he looks like the kind of faggot you'd dunk in a toilet for trying to tell you how elven history is AKTUALLY very deep and compelling.

can't wait to learn in the fourth installment how Tevinter actually used magic, only known as Tricknology, to get where they are

You get a bunch of leftist retards who see things solely through racial politics and, surprise surprise, everyone just becomes a literal embodiment of what their race is known for.

 

[Mola Ram]

Just to illustrate what a ludicrous downgrade occurred in Biowire's writing within the same series
DA 1: Sten said that you can't easily summarize a whole group of people by saying something like "elves are a lithe, pointy-eared people who excel at poverty."

DA 3 word for word :
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https://dragonageinquisition.wiki.fextralife.com/Races

I can't wait to learn in the fourth installment how Tevinter actually used magic, only known as Tricknology, to get where they are

Gonna be honest, and probably eat a bunch of rainbows, but I think that's an intentional gag, as Sten's sarcastic description of elves became something of a meme.

This is not defend Inquisition's writing, though, not when it's got The Iron Bull's romance and all the cringe that goes with it; Cassandra's immersion breaking "Deal. With. It.."; the idiocy of the aqun-athlok; or frustrated novelists putting their opinions on what makes for good writing in Varric's mouth.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

It is miraculous that you basically have two entirely different Anders across DA I - II and they're BOTH insufferable fucks for entirely different reasons.

And they BOTH make retarded references to The Simpsons.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

And they BOTH make retarded references to The Simpsons.

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Would you rather hear "swooping is bad" again?

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Would you rather hear "swooping is bad" again?

Ha ha, joke's on you, I hate Alistair too, for entirely different reasons!

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

Ha ha, joke's on you, I hate Alistair too, for entirely different reasons!

But his character makes not funny quips and whines a lot! What's not to love?

 

[Snekposter]

But his character makes not funny quips and whines a lot! What's not to love?

He may be bitchy and annoying, but he's got my Grey Warden's back which is more than can be said for a certain half-dressed hedge witch you pick up.

Who is also bitchy and annoying, but far more judgmental.
"Hey, orphan, have some food."
"Oh you fool, he'll grow up weak for the rest of his life because of you!"
Morrigan Disapproves (-5).

Funny how she claims to disdain shiny things after Flemeth smashed that mirror in front of her yet is a sucker for getting gifted jewelry...

 

[Übertroon]

It was kinda weird how the voice actors for Allistair and Morrigan also were in Uncharted 2 playing against each other

 

[Ishtar]

Morrigan at one point says “no son of mine is going to be raised in a swamp”

Flemeth basically stunted her and her caricatured social Darwinism is a result of this deeply unsocialized upbringing.

Anyways-the Qunari? Thoughts?

 

[kokokrunch123]

Varric even highlights it, although you won't realize it the first time you hear this particular bit of banter.

• Iron Bull: Hey, Varric, I was reading your stuff... Where do your bad guys come from?
• Varric: Well, some of them come from Tevinter and some are Ben-Hassrath spies... but I like the stories where the villain was the man beside you the whole time. The best villains don't see themselves as evil. They're fighting for a good cause, willing to get their hands dirty.
• Iron Bull: All right, that's really deep and all, but I meant where do the bad guys come from literally? The way you write it, it's like they just fall from the sky and land on top on the hero.
• Varric: I like to leave some things to the reader's imagination.

i hope they don't turn varric into some nincompoop in dreadwolf

 

[kokokrunch123]

It really hurts because Tevinter as a setting is far more interesting than Ferelden or Orlais, it should be the darkest story in the series, but the setting has gotten completely defanged, Tevinter is now filled with homosexuals, and all the teaser art looks like it comes from a graphics novel for 8 year olds

sadd af

what was known before the faggotry in Inquisition:
-vints loved getting, trading, and sacrificing slaves.
-many, many people were fair game for acquisition.
-blood magic and blood sacrifices were rampant and normal, and the non-mages + the non-magisters couldn't do shit about it.

then d0rian + that ugly slave-turned corypheus lieutenant girl (and the almighty le faggets in the comics) come into the picture. meh

 

[Rick The Stick]

"Hey, orphan, have some food."
"Oh you fool, he'll grow up weak for the rest of his life because of you!"
Morrigan Disapproves (-5).

Morrigan in Origins is a watered Kreia from KOTOR2, for better and worse.