Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

People blame it on wokeshit like muh wahmens or darkies or whatever - and trust me, blackwashing and inserting trannies into movies like they insert themselves into womens bathrooms is nauseating - but I think the core problem is, for the last ten years or so, so much media has been about SuBVeRtInG ExpeCtaTioNs. I don't know where we could pinpoint the start of this trend in popular culture. Maybe Breaking Bad, maybe Game of Thrones? But it's all about writers thinking they can "outsmart" their audience by delivering what is usually the exact fucking opposite of what we want. Sometimes we want the good guy to win, sometimes we want a fucking powerful villain. Sometimes, those old school tropes are just satisfying, and the story can reach a satisfying conclusion by using them. Every piece of media I've viewed where someone has tried to subvert something has failed.

I've effort posted on this before, but I'm going to again to summarize why established media is shit now.

tl;dr: It is the fault of fags, queers, and trannies, but not necessarily in the way you think

In the leadup to the 2007 writers strike, studios were unhappy with the creative control, salaries, and royalties that writers wanted. Writing something good took effort, effort meant talent, and talent was both expensive and full of itself.

The studios then had a double epiphany:
First, that fags, assorted queers, and the "intelligensia" from up inside their own asses would give an automatic pass to anything that advanced "the fag narrative". If it had faggots and portrayed them positively, it had a built-in audience.

Second, retarded english majors would give up all on-going financial consideration and give all creative control to the studios as long as they could make characters fags and/or niggers and/or women and inject their politics. They put these morons on salary which means the studio owns everything they create.
(You can see the fruits of this in Cuck Wendig's sobbing after getting fired from Disney, realizing that because he was salaried he gave away all royalties to any characters he made and any creative control.)

In short, why try to create something good when for 15% of the effort you could have retarded and replaceable NPCs crank out drivel and get 85% of the revenue.
So the reason the presence of Fags, Trannies, and Niggers (or stonk wymyn) means something is worthless isn't because there are fags, trannies, or niggers. It is because it means the Studio didn't even bother to put out a quality product instead trading on personal politics to obligate true believers to go see it.
 
Yeah, it was definitely one of TCW's many, many, many flaws. The old comics felt much more vast, and even managed to tone down the "Separatists are so ebul guys" crap sometimes, putting it on slightly more equal moral footing to the Republic. I was just looking over the issues with Dass Jenner in them last night, and when he asks Bomo Greenbark why his people sided with the Separatists, and Bomo gets pissed, saying they had no representation in the Republic, and the Republic banned the sale of their one export. Jennir later concedes that he might have fought under those same circumstances.
Separatists were probably the most relatable bad guys in SW canon. The Sith are backstabbing scumbags with Force powers, Imperials were bullies and tyrants, but the Separatist just wants to be left alone. Even Dooku and Grievous had legitimate concerns about the Old Republic and the Jedi that caused them to turn against the ''good guys''. At the end of the day, the Separatists are just like the Rebel Alliance, except they're cast as the enemies of the Jedi.

One could say that Filoni and Lucas were to blame in TCW, since they made the Seps into one-note bad guys, but at least Lucas tempered his one-sided ideas down the line. He even told a kid that Stormtroopers were ''good guys fighting for an evil man'' when asked if they were bad guys. And of course, during his iron grip on all things Star Wars from 1999-2012, he allowed people with differing opinions to write stories in the SWEU. You had stories where Separatists, Imperials, Sith, even Jedi-hating Mandos, were allowed to speak their piece and make valid criticisms of the good guys.

Filoni, not so much. He continued being single-minded with his views, even when it came to post-TCW shows, to the point where anyone who has a slightly favorable opinion of the Empire is either a zealot or misguided. But he also made the mistake of making them comically useless, like he and Lucas did with the Battledroids in TCW. This then leads to the Empire not really being that interesting to fight. In games like Rogue Squadron, Jedi Knight, and the Force Unleashed, the Empire is a challenge to fight. Even when you're just fighting mooks, they can still be challenging, which evokes the same spirit that the OT did where the Empire was a legitimate threat. This made it all the more sweeter when the good guys triumphed over them; it was a triumph of David over Goliath, of the plucky rebel against the elite Imperial force, and the joy over their defeat was earned.

You can't say the same for the Empire in the Filoniverse; they're buffoons. Even the dreaded Death Troopers were reduced to costumed punks that kids beat like it's nothing. Remember that scene where' Mando and Boba killed over a dozen Stormtroopers; it's not enjoyable, it's not a triumph, it's glorified euthanasia, killing off incompetent goons just to make yourself look great. If the Stormtroopers were given their time to shine, then the likes of Ahsoka, Sabine, Ezra, and Kanan would look good in defeating them, but since they're costumed clowns, it makes the conflict stupid. When the good guys win, we expect it, and when they lose later on, we ask ''how could you lose to those costumed buffoons?'' Hera and her whole squad getting shot down by TIE Fighters isn't a testament to the latter's skill, it's a testament as to how clumsy she was that basic-bitch TIEs shot down her squadron after she blew up a TIE Defender and a light cruiser, destroying an ISD in the process.

The Imperials lose their benevolent status of protectors of the galaxy and employers of the people, and they also lose their badass factor where aside from a few characters like Vader, they're reduced into costumed clowns. Filoni made the Empire boring. At least the Empire in Lucas' Force Unleashed game was powerful despite being cartoonishly evil; we see them roll over the Wookiees, the Rodians, the Felucians, and we see in other works like TIE Fighter they actually perform legitimate government services like rewarding hard work and trying to end civil wars. But we don't see that anymore, we see through Rebels and the Bad Batch that the Empire is pointlessly cruel, but also boring and incompetent. So if they're evil and boring, why should we care if some ''empowered'' wahmen characters defeat them? They're blind losers anyways, so killing them isn't an accomplishment. You don't get a pat on the back for defeating asshole lemmings. And if your heroes lose to them, it's not because the bad guys were tough, it's because the heroes got sloppy and got waxed by dumb lemmings.

People blame it on wokeshit like muh wahmens or darkies or whatever - and trust me, blackwashing and inserting trannies into movies like they insert themselves into womens bathrooms is nauseating - but I think the core problem is, for the last ten years or so, so much media has been about SuBVeRtInG ExpeCtaTioNs. I don't know where we could pinpoint the start of this trend in popular culture. Maybe Breaking Bad, maybe Game of Thrones? But it's all about writers thinking they can "outsmart" their audience by delivering what is usually the exact fucking opposite of what we want. Sometimes we want the good guy to win, sometimes we want a fucking powerful villain. Sometimes, those old school tropes are just satisfying, and the story can reach a satisfying conclusion by using them. Every piece of media I've viewed where someone has tried to subvert something has failed.
It's not even that. It's that the modern writers want their stories to be power fantasies for their OCs, but their OCs are boring, and the enemies their OCs fight are either kneecapped by plot armor, or reduced to one-note stereotypes. So it's just not that exciting. If you had relatable/sympathetic good guys and bad guys, and both sides were badass, it would be more believable and fun. You can sell action figures of both the good guys and the bad guys, sell stories and games based on them, and both of them can be marketable; Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. Kyle Katarn and Starkiller. Darth Maul and Qui-Gon Jinn. Han Solo and Boba Fett.

But the kind of power fantasy these modern writers imbibe in is not the exciting kind of power fantasy you'd find in anime and older SW works where the main characters become really powerful and the whole thing gets your adrenaline pumping, it's the kind of power fantasy where you're forced to watch as bland heroes defeat an enemy that should've crushed them a long time ago, but the good guys win because of obvious plot armor. Oh, and they remove anything sympathetic or badass about the Empire because they don't want anyone falling in love with Space Nazis. So the Empire is just pointlessly cruel, but not that strong, not that badass, all it takes is friendship and the bad guys are beaten.
 
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I am and always will be glad that I learned at an early age the most important lesson about being a fan of something: the version of the thing you like that lives in your head is almost always going to be better than the thing itself, especially if the thing itself is still being worked on. It's why I can still appreciate things like Star Wars, Halo, WH40K, Fallout, because the slop garbage that other people whine about ruining the thing forever can't touch the thing in my head. And when stuff like Rogue Trader or Boltgun is good, it can be enjoyed and join the rest of the good stuff vaulted away in my skull.

You can even enjoy pieces of things, like how Rogue Juan is a rolling dumpster fire except the ending space battle, which at least looks cool. Not cool enough to watch the rest of the movie, but cool enough that I can enjoy that one Kickstart My Heart music dub of it, enough that it makes me wish for another Rogue Squadron game. Enough that I modded X4 with that one Star Wars reskin so I could at least do some dogfighting in an E-wing.
 
So recently, George Lucas was invited to the Cannes Film Festival (accompanying collaborator and longtime filmschool buddy Francis Ford Coppola screened his movie Megalopolis), where he received an honorary Palme d'Or, the highest award provided at the Cannes Film scene.

While he was there, he was interviewed about "political and ethical" criticisms that have arisen about his six Star Wars films in recent years, including the accusation that his movies are largely "dominated by white men". Lucas responded with the following:

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The timing of these quotes is hilarious is because Leslye Headland's The Acolyte comes out literally next month, and I bring that up because that show's creative team and actors have been relentless plugging the usual "diversity" virtues of their show, about how they're breaking new grounds because of how "patriarchal" Star Wars was under Lucas, and with Headland herself claiming in one interview that any deficiencies in the Prequel Trilogy were owed to "misogyny on set", because Lucas was apparently only allowed to make the films as bad as they were in her eyes because he was a man (basically a gender-infused revision of the old "yes-man" chestnut, which itself is a ludicrously inaccurate account of the PT's production history).

I expect these quotes to come back up the moment Acolyte airs, because it'll demonstrate the arrogance of these people to think they had any sort of creative high ground over Lucas, let alone a progressive one.
 
So recently, George Lucas was invited to the Cannes Film Festival (accompanying collaborator and longtime filmschool buddy Francis Ford Coppola screened his movie Megalopolis), where he received an honorary Palme d'Or, the highest award provided at the Cannes Film scene.

While he was there, he was interviewed about "political and ethical" criticisms that have arisen about his six Star Wars films in recent years, including the accusation that his movies are largely "dominated by white men". Lucas responded with the following:

The timing of these quotes is hilarious is because Leslye Headland's The Acolyte comes out literally next month, and I bring that up because that show's creative team and actors have been relentless plugging the usual "diversity" virtues of their show, about how they're breaking new grounds because of how "patriarchal" Star Wars was under Lucas, and with Headland herself claiming in one interview that any deficiencies in the Prequel Trilogy were owed to "misogyny on set", because Lucas was apparently only allowed to make the films as bad as they were in her eyes because he was a man (basically a gender-infused revision of the old "yes-man" chestnut, which itself is a ludicrously inaccurate account of the PT's production history).

I expect these quotes to come back up the moment Acolyte airs, because it'll demonstrate the arrogance of these people to think they had any sort of creative high ground over Lucas, let alone a progressive one.
Once again, Georgie BTFO's these dipshit critics like he's been doing since THX 1138 and American Graffiti. Unfortunately, as the last 50 YEARS has shown us, it doesn't matter. No one will listen. They'll just keep saying George doesn't understand his own creation. Especially now that these critics are the ones in control of The Galaxy Far Far Away.
 
So recently, George Lucas was invited to the Cannes Film Festival (accompanying collaborator and longtime filmschool buddy Francis Ford Coppola screened his movie Megalopolis), where he received an honorary Palme d'Or, the highest award provided at the Cannes Film scene.

While he was there, he was interviewed about "political and ethical" criticisms that have arisen about his six Star Wars films in recent years, including the accusation that his movies are largely "dominated by white men". Lucas responded with the following:

The timing of these quotes is hilarious is because Leslye Headland's The Acolyte comes out literally next month, and I bring that up because that show's creative team and actors have been relentless plugging the usual "diversity" virtues of their show, about how they're breaking new grounds because of how "patriarchal" Star Wars was under Lucas, and with Headland herself claiming in one interview that any deficiencies in the Prequel Trilogy were owed to "misogyny on set", because Lucas was apparently only allowed to make the films as bad as they were in her eyes because he was a man (basically a gender-infused revision of the old "yes-man" chestnut, which itself is a ludicrously inaccurate account of the PT's production history).

I expect these quotes to come back up the moment Acolyte airs, because it'll demonstrate the arrogance of these people to think they had any sort of creative high ground over Lucas, let alone a progressive one.
Not to get in the discussion over "wokeness" because it's a stale and boring ass topic, but I just find wild that people are accusing George's SW movies of lacking diversity. He always tried to make these movies inclusive. He wanted a japanese man to play Obi-Wan and a black man to play Han Solo, it just didn't work out back then. He still had Sam Jackson and Billy Dee Williams play major roles as black heroes in the following films (as the second biggest Jedi in the order and the guy who blew up the Death Star in the finale, no less), and the female characters always had major roles as good figures of authority (queen, senator, rebel leader, etc...).

Maybe he could have done  more real world diversity? Yeah, maybe. But it's not as if these movies do anything actively harmful to any community. There are far more examples of works made before and after his Star Wars films that do a much worse job at representation. This is pretty much the definition of a perceived problem than an actual problem. George probably could talk way more in depth about really interesting aspects of his movies, but people really choose to waste his time talking about this nothing of a topic. Amazing.
 
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He still had Sam Jackson and Billy Dee Williams play major roles as black heroes in the following films (as the second biggest Jedi in the order and the guy who blew up the Death Star in the finale, no less)

When I was a kid, me and my friends played Star Wars a lot. Of course generally they'd want to be Han or Luke or whatever, but I never had to fight to be Lando. It's almost like it's not wokeshit or DIE when you just cast the best person for a role and they're good and cool.
 
-SW is said to be lacking in diversity.

-You have the Baron Administrator of Cloud City who once owned the Millennium Falcon, as well as the second most prestigious Jedi Master in the Jedi Council, and they are both black. The latter kicks the shit out of the Emperor in a fair fight, something even the dreaded Darth Vader and his son could not do. While the former is a suave player who owns his own kingdom in the sky.

-Women led movements in the films; Princess Leia and Mon Mothma led the Rebellion, Padme was a major voice in the Senate and a friend of Mon Mothma.

-Kyle Katarn has an Asian girlfriend in Dark Forces 2.

-SW RPGs like KOTOR and SWTOR have gay romances.

-LOLWUT

SW has always been on the cutting edge of diversity. Not the modern kind, but the actual kind, in terms of race and sex.

Once again, Georgie BTFO's these dipshit critics like he's been doing since THX 1138 and American Graffiti. Unfortunately, as the last 50 YEARS has shown us, it doesn't matter. No one will listen. They'll just keep saying George doesn't understand his own creation. Especially now that these critics are the ones in control of The Galaxy Far Far Away.
Again, you can blame the critics and their dipshit, mouth-breathing fans for that. But hey, the fact that Disney's lost money on Star Wars pretty much shows that these morons can't run SW for shit. Lucas was making money hand-over-fist with movies that the critics panned as slop. But now that the same critics run Star Wars, they're losing money on it.

Isn't that ironic?
 
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Happy 25th Anniversary to 'Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace'

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A little late but I saw it again in theaters a week or so ago. Man was it still fun. The first act (everything before they arrive at Tatooine) goes by a lot faster then I remember. The Podrace sequence is still one of the best scenes in films as a whole. Duel of the fates is awesome as ever. Are there flaws? Sure. George thought so in the behind the scenes documentary "I may have gone to far in some places". But over all it was a fun revisit and now I want to revisit all of the George Lucas Star Wars movies again.
 
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I saw that a fight from The Acolyte has been released as a teaser and, honestly, I'm not particularly impressed.

I'm not sure if Dark Forces 2 did introduce the Dark Jedi concept
I figure that it originated in the WEG rpg books since people playing Jedi would obviously love to lock sabers with some evil bad Jedi who won't immediately kick your teeth in like Vader would.
 
WEG did go above and beyond with the character creation for the rpg. That and setting into stone nobody in the SW universe flys slick. As everybody upgrades and customize their rides to how they want it as soon as they get the cash and hardware for it.
 
The timing of these quotes is hilarious is because Leslye Headland's The Acolyte comes out literally next month, and I bring that up because that show's creative team and actors have been relentless plugging the usual "diversity" virtues of their show, about how they're breaking new grounds because of how "patriarchal" Star Wars was under Lucas, and with Headland herself claiming in one interview that any deficiencies in the Prequel Trilogy were owed to "misogyny on set", because Lucas was apparently only allowed to make the films as bad as they were in her eyes because he was a man (basically a gender-infused revision of the old "yes-man" chestnut, which itself is a ludicrously inaccurate account of the PT's production history).
something also hilarious is that his only comment on the Disney Star Wars stuff he made in this interview in full was specifically to say something the show runner said was entirely wrong. He was very respectful about it but I guarantee he saw this other article a few weeks ago and made a point to address it.

A lot of people shit on George and give him flack for selling. but I have had a theory for years, that I've seen backed up anecdotally that actually make me feel bad for him. not that he didn't get a huge payday but he was essentially just an idiot.

Star Wars essentially was always the biggest independent movies of all time, and he did a lot of groundbreaking shit technology wise. he funded all of them himself. After Revenge of the Sith he was working on that live action show that he wanted to be 100 hours of episodes covering the dark times. they were developing tech for it in like 2010 that's shit they're using now. test footage exists.

he sold under the impression they were using his treatments and he didn't have to direct the sequels because he was burnt out after the prequels. he wasn't done with star wars. he also was planning on being hands on with the scripts and the tv show. however the large scale of all of that was cost prohibitive. he couldn't just make a sequel trilogy and a 100 hour tv show with movie budgeted episodes they had to develop technology for.

Disney promptly threw his scripts in the trash and told him the tv shows could come later because they wanted MCU 2 with star wars. they kept him in the dark and remade a new hope which he saw and was like ...what the fuck. then some scripts from underworld got repurposed into rogue one. which is true you can look that up. granted I doubt it was very much like the final product outside of it was about the death star plans.

The gist of all of this is I think George wasn't done with Star Wars. He was just retarded and thought he could sell it, they'd make his sequels for him and leave him alone to make his sprawling tv show with an unlimited budget. I think he was actually planning his final word on Star Wars as 9 movies and a huge live action tv show and saw it as being able to complete his life's work w/o all the pressure of handling everything business wise, and letting some other people take some reins because he was getting old and wanted it to actually get done. however he sold it to Disney who don't give a fuck about some old man's baby, star wars became their corporate product the second the check was signed and they kicked him to the curb.

My source for all of this is information about Underworld and his intent for the sequels that's leaked out over the years, stuff from that Disney ceo's book, stuff from TFA/Rogue One's production and other minor shit that came out of people who worked with lucasfilm in the early 2010s.

there's a huge Google doc linked to the test footage on YouTube for Underworld that explains a lot of this, and how the technology they developed for the show ended up being used for the sequels and the tv shows that have followed. I think a lot of the fallout of them throwing out his script for 7 and quietly scrapping the show and him not really aware until he walked out of TFA is why by the time last Jedi came out he was broken up and calling them white slavers and swindlers and stuff.I also think that's why TFAs vague marketing looks exactly like his concept art. He saw any promotional stuff they sent him and probably was like oh look they're making my movie just changed some names and stuff, which is what he wanted them to do in the first place. however in a race for China money Disney remade the original movie killing two birds with one stone because it also was the safe option for getting prequel haters to love it. China didn't give a fuck anyways and any goodwill they made they squandered by not having a plan.
 

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however in a race for China money Disney remade the original movie killing two birds with one stone because it also was the safe option for getting prequel haters to love it.
Prequel haters really set Star Wars back as a medium. It's enough to say ''it's not my cup of tea'' and walk away, it's another thing to devote your life to hating a movie that at worst, were just okay.

I mean, I came out of AOTC with some reservations, and even TPM and ROTS had its goofy parts that I'd rather hack off with a chainsaw, but I didn't think they ruined my childhood or were the worst movies ever.

The fact that Disney wouldn't touch Prequel stuff for a good long while because of the PT-haters is endemic of this.

China didn't give a fuck anyways and any goodwill they made they squandered by not having a plan.
China also hated the fact that they hired a Vietnamese actress to be their resident Asian in TLJ. The Chinese and the Vietnamese hate each others' guts, now more than ever, since now Vietnam would rather get in bed with Uncle Sam and tell the Chinese to get fucked over territorial disputes. The fact that Disney, a company run by Jews and white people, didn't notice that and just thought ''resident Asian will get us China money'' goes to show how ignorant they are of Asian race politics and how they really don't think anything through past the surface level. It really is just a shallow ploy to get Asian butts on seats by just picking out some random Asian girl.

If these fuckers wanted China money, the least they could've done is hire a Chinese actor/actress.

A lot of people shit on George and give him flack for selling. but I have had a theory for years, that I've seen backed up anecdotally that actually make me feel bad for him. not that he didn't get a huge payday but he was essentially just an idiot.
He gave away the money he earned from the Disney sale, last I checked.
 
The gist of all of this is I think George wasn't done with Star Wars. He was just retarded and thought he could sell it, they'd make his sequels for him and leave him alone to make his sprawling tv show with an unlimited budget.
There is probably some truth to this - I mean shit nigga forget about the unlimited budget, a whole stable of directors to farm the annoying parts of production out to - but LOL at Lucas trusting the rat.
 
I mean, I came out of AOTC with some reservations, and even TPM and ROTS had its goofy parts that I'd rather hack off with a chainsaw, but I didn't think they ruined my childhood or were the worst movies ever.
I was a kid for them so I adored em. As I got older I could see the flaws. but I don't understand the people who legitimately prefer the sequels. at least the prequels have neat new shit sprinkled throughout the new ones added nothing in 3 movies worth a shit.
If these fuckers wanted China money, the least they could've done is hire a Chinese actor/actress.
that's because the people doing the pandering are too stupid to even do it right. that's not even a Disney mistake but Rian and Kathleen going full retard.
He gave away the money he earned from the Disney sale, last I checked.
didn't know, doesn't surprise me though he's always been charitable. and what was he going to do with it anyways? he only wanted it to pump into ILM to continue development of the real time rendering on set virtual production volume technology so he could fucking finish star wars and they fucked him.

Bob Iger in his book talked about how basically they came up with a bunch of legal jargon to slip in they didn't contractually have to follow his story. but he was entirely under the impression they did, he was selling them his 7-9 but someone else would write the dialogue and direct them basically and he could make Red Tails and Strange Magic while they did that and ILM worked and then he could make the already written tv show. George shows up super excited for a late stage meeting on TFA's script and Abrams and Kennedy start talking about it, and George gets irate. he's basically asking what the fuck are you all talking about? THIS is what you've been doing? this isnt the story! and he goes fuck this and gets up and leaves. that's that.

Iger also said they snuck in a clause that Lucas can't say anything negative about their star wars which is why he just doesn't say anything at all. they repurposed things from his unmade tv show into Rogue One, Solo, Mando, gave it to dave baloney to pick from the scraps to make more clone wars and its follow ups, ILM's volume technology is used in the movies and shows now. here we are. here's a pic of relevant things about the shows production in relation to the Disney sale and something from Igers book
 

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The fact that Disney, a company run by Jews and white people, didn't notice that and just thought ''resident Asian will get us China money'' goes to show how ignorant they are of Asian race politics and how they really don't think anything through past the surface level. It really is just a shallow ploy to get Asian butts on seats by just picking out some random Asian girl.
From outsider's perspective, it really looks like most Americans can't comprehend how much people within same ethnic groups can hate each other.
 
From outsider's perspective, it really looks like most Americans can't comprehend how much people within same ethnic groups can hate each other.
They're not even the same ethnic group. Vietnamese and Han Chinese have been warring with each other for centuries. Trying to say they're the same is like saying Germans and Polish people are the same.
 
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