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[Marquis de Cow]

Nice to see something that isn't Nature of Presators here

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Does anyone have any questions, comments on any of this? I'd appreciate some feedback and discussion.

I like the summaries. This is exactly what the thread is for.

The 2047 story is such a retarded concept. What did the Lupains expect when they landed on a primitive planet with all their tech? Did they really expect that they would get to gatekeep all their tech? Never mind being a furry the author is insane just because of how moronic this plot is. A better author would likely have worked out the conflict into something more believable. Maybe only a single tech being kept from the humans which causes the friction, explaining the escalation of the conflict, giving a real reason and context for it.

Nah, humans bad. I hate AmeriKKKa. G*rman lmao.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Nice to see something that isn't Nature of Presators here

Now, to be fair, the problem with most furry literature is that its either fetish material or wish fulfilment and as a result lacks depth that encourages prolonged discussion.

For something to be fun to make fun of it needs to have enough potential to want to see a better version of it (like hazbin hotel) that never materialized. If that potential isn't there in the first place there's not much you can say about the thing other than "lol thats silly".

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

Nice to see something that isn't Nature of Presators here

Glad to be of service. I've got quite a few furry stories that I was considering posting here, if you guys are interested; they tend to be pretty shit, but I hope you guys might get some entertainment value from them, regardless.

I like the summaries. This is exactly what the thread is for.

Good to know; I was a bit curious to see if the summaries were solid. I did have some longer write-ups for each of them, but I lost them.

The 2047 story is such a retarded concept. What did the Lupains expect when they landed on a primitive planet with all their tech? Did they really expect that they would get to gatekeep all their tech? Never mind being a furry the author is insane just because of how moronic this plot is. A better author would likely have worked out the conflict into something more believable. Maybe only a single tech being kept from the humans which causes the friction, explaining the escalation of the conflict, giving a real reason and context for it.

Nah, humans bad. I hate AmeriKKKa. G*rman lmao.

That's how furries tend to be in their stories; they want to have all the power, and basically lord over humanity without a care. Even in settings where they're supposed to be in the right, they come across as a bunch of wannabe tyrants.

Out of curiosity, did you happen to already read the rest of the story? Like I said, it gets even more retarded on down the line.

Also, fun fact: I'm fairly certain that the backstory was even worse in an earlier draft. I've done some digging but I can't find it anymore, so... apologizes.

Spoiler: Possible Original Backstory

From what I remember, the original setting had the same general plot: Lupains had to flee to Earth after the Kukamia kicked their asses, though I remember the lizards actually being the clear winners and destroying the wolves' homeworld, rather than it being some insane "Scorched Earth" tactic. Like this version, humanity/the U.S.A. welcomed the wolves with open arms and sets up a welfare program and universities to help them out; however, the peace period was a lot longer - I think like around 40 years, actually. Said peace ended when it got revealed that the welfare program was quite literally destroying the world economy; the entire planet was in an economic depression thanks to the welfare program, and the furries completely refused to help on grounds of "mankind's history of greed and violence".

The U.S. officially declared war on the wolves and kidnapped 6 Lupains from one of the universities to try and get the wolves to start cooperating. The Lupains responded exactly how you'd expect: by basically carpet-bombing the entire United States, kidnapping the president, and generally going on a rampage. And yes, the story tried to make the wolves out to be the underdogs of the situation, pun fully intended.

Bit fucked up that the current version of the story is the "better" draft...

Now, again; this is what I remember of the original draft, and I don't entire know if this is completely accurate to the original; I know for a fact the economic depression was a part of it, but I can't quite remember the exact details on everything else. If anyone can find the actual original draft - not helped by Shane going back and rewriting various bits to fit with his ideas - I'd appreciate it.

Also... went back and took another look at 2047; found some artwork. I think you guys might get a kick out of them:

Spoiler: Plenty of Shit

First, some Lupain guns:

Source: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/22032712/

Here's the Kukamia's gun of choice:

Source: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/37863296/

I did some further digging; no, humanity doesn't get any concept art, they're supposed to be the mindless and faceless bad guys, remember?

The Lupain Mothership: clearly the poor and desperate wolves came to peacefully negotiate...

Source: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/22033067/

Lupain Power Armor

Source: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/21987129/

Older art piece, of a fight scene between the wolves and, apparently, humanity.

Description: "Lupains fighting against US Army and having superiority against them " Funny how the US Army doesn't even appear in this picture; like I said, strawman villains.

Source: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/16128957/

Lastly, here's a fight scene between the wolves and lizards.

Source: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/25763594/

Fun fact: according to what little lore that author and co. bothered to make on the Kukamia, the reptiles do get a ton of usage out of melee weapons and such. Apparently, the race is known for charging directly into gunfire and destroying tons of wolves using swords, shields, and in some cases their fists. And remember, the Lupains are still supposed to be the weaker underdogs here.

There's a lot more bullshit where that came from in the setting; you can check out more of it here: https://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/heavensfall/. Apologizes for spamming some much crap about 2047, btw; there's just so much wrong with it I just can't help but laugh.

Now, to be fair, the problem with most furry literature is that its either fetish material or wish fulfilment and as a result lacks depth that encourages prolonged discussion.

For something to be fun to make fun of it needs to have enough potential to want to see a better version of it (like hazbin hotel) that never materialized. If that potential isn't there in the first place there's not much you can say about the thing other than "lol thats silly".

Yeah, this is basically the issue I've been seeing with most furry works as well. (AUTISTIC SPERGING AHEAD): I mean, wish fulfillment isn't exactly a bad thing in and of itself, and it's entirely possible to make a fun, engaging story that is both a power fantasy and genuinely interesting to read. Problem is, most furries only care about the possibility of fetish material and whether or not they can fap to it; "Fighting Fursecution" throws away a potentially interesting war/survival plotline in favor of an oppression fantasy, while "2047" similarly ditches a potential grey-vs-gray situation in favor of a retarded furry power fantasy. It's honestly more disappointing more than anything else.

I admit, I want to be cautiously optimistic about UTO; as stated, it does point out the potential issues of giant furries interacting with humans, does state that the furries aren't always morally perfect, and does portray humanity in a positive light on occasion. However, the fact that it's a blatant fetish setting, coupled with a very large number of paragraphs and such that portray humans as weak and stupid, knocks that optimism right back down.

Anyways, apologizes for the autism; your thoughts?

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Out of curiosity, did you happen to already read the rest of the story? Like I said, it gets even more retarded on down the line.

Nah I just read your summary and I trust it to be telling the truth about the thing being garbage. The "original" plot sounds even worse as it makes no sense that such a minority would literally bankrupt the entire world. That is not how economics works, or welfare. The Lupains would need to be turbo niggers to manage to drain so much money and at the same time manage to not put any of it back in the system which even niggers do with the consumption of Newports and Henessy. It really is just a bad strawman villain.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

Nah I just read your summary and I trust it to be telling the truth about the thing being garbage. The "original" plot sounds even worse as it makes no sense that such a minority would literally bankrupt the entire world. That is not how economics works, or welfare. The Lupains would need to be turbo niggers to manage to drain so much money and at the same time manage to not put any of it back in the system which even niggers do with the consumption of Newports and Henessy. It really is just a bad strawman villain.

I mean, it was probably intentional; given how furries in general tend to make stories that go to truly ridiculous lengths just to screw over humanity, the alien wolves being "turbo niggers" to the point of draining humanity's wealth sounds par for the course, really. Hell, given how the story went, it might've been intentional; destroying the economy to weaken humanity sounds exactly like the typical furfag insanity. But, that's just me being autistic.

All this does make me want to ask a few questions:

1. Any kinds of specific stories that you guys are interested in? I've got a few old TF stories that I know about; anyone interested in mocking them?

2. What are you guy's thoughts on spoilers? You alright with me posting up some for the stories I post here in their own tags, or no?

3. There was one story that I was a bit undecided on; it does feature furries, and it's got quite a bit of content associated with it. Thing is, it's not quite a proper "story" if that makes sense; it's basically just a bunch of (admittedly pretty long) posts that detail the author's Mary Sue setting and races, rather than a traditionally set of chapters telling a narrative. Furries are a pretty big part of it; there's the classic "anthropomorphic animals created by mankind that hate humans" as well as the author's Mary Sue reptile race. Would it be alright for me to post about it here? The author's name is "infinityunbound", and here's a link to one of his posts, if it'll help: https://www.deviantart.com/infinityunbound/art/The-Furries-361943352

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Any sort of furry cringe is welcome, but stuff which manages to actually release as books and such media is more interesting.

I like how you have handled spoilers putting them behind the tag, it's unlikely anyone will want to read any of the works posted here that are strong cringe. Exceptions like Nature of Predators aren't the norm, but if you come across stuff like that that is worth the read you should make the spoilers better marked or avoid them.

And sure, that one sounds like a interest thing to gawk at. Can't see anyone minding. It fits the thread theme.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

Any sort of furry cringe is welcome, but stuff which manages to actually release as books and such media is more interesting.

I like how you have handled spoilers putting them behind the tag, it's unlikely anyone will want to read any of the works posted here that are strong cringe. Exceptions like Nature of Predators aren't the norm, but if you come across stuff like that that is worth the read you should make the spoilers better marked or avoid them.

And sure, that one sounds like a interest thing to gawk at. Can't see anyone minding. It fits the thread theme.

1. I think I know of one specific furry author that's been trying to get his work officially published; other than that, I don't know of anything official, sadly.

2. Yeah, I'll certainly be hiding spoilers behind tags and such; I know plenty of people won't be wanting to read the crap I post here, so posting up a full review does sound like a good option. I will post links if anyone wants to read the stories themselves, but I'll still summarize the stories the best I can.

3. Alright, looking forward to shredding that setting to bits. Slightly lost on how I'm going to do the review - I think I'll just be trying to review everything in chronological order, or at least get the most interesting/noteworthy bits out of the way.

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

and the furries completely refused to help on grounds of "mankind's history of greed and violence".

You know, this shit is something I really fucking hate honestly. It's basically taking the self flagellation of humanity and projecting it onto other species.

Reminds me of a review of the Avatar Game by Yahtzee Crowshaw, where he talked about the blue cat people. "Oh, humans are so bad and awful. Why couldn't they have just been born given everything they could possibly need through magic powers." It reads like a rich kid talking out his ass despite never working a day in his life. Yeah, because you would do so much better in our exact position.

Also why I love NoP. It really highlighted the idea that, really, we could be doing far, far worse as a species compared to how it could be.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

You know, this shit is something I really fucking hate honestly. It's basically taking the self flagellation of humanity and projecting it onto other species.

Reminds me of a review of the Avatar Game by Yahtzee Crowshaw, where he talked about the blue cat people. "Oh, humans are so bad and awful. Why couldn't they have just been born given everything they could possibly need through magic powers." It reads like a rich kid talking out his ass despite never working a day in his life. Yeah, because you would do so much better in our exact position.

Also why I love NoP. It really highlighted the idea that, really, we could be doing far, far worse as a species compared to how it could be.

At the risk of sounding autistic; it gets worse/funnier/more ironic/whatever when the furries themselves are portrayed as even worse than humanity ever was, and yet the author doesn't seem to realize it. Seriously, the number of stories that I've seen where the furries casually engage in mass-murder or rape for fun is baffling; humanity is portrayed as being evil over basic self-preservation.

I said this in another post, but; furries in their own settings are basically the Skaven, except even more insane, less self-preservating and an obsession with sex.

2047 is a bit tamer compared to some of the other examples I've seen, admittedly; it still goes to some really stupid lengths to portray humanity as evil, though it's not the absolute worst.

 

[JesusChristDenton]

A lot of the smug "morally superior" power fantasy shit with the stories you mentioned @Scream Aim Fire reminds me of stuff like Nihonkoku Shoukan and GATE, but at least with those they balance it out with showing how the introduction of advanced technology changes the world for better and worse, and they can be somewhat interesting with how they show a modern nation dealing with other nations with vastly different levels of technological, cultural and societal development. Furries on the other hand write stories about overpowered Mary Sue space empires completely curbstomping Humanity.
And much like the stories I mentioned they refuse to balance it out by having the Humans formulate basic strategy and tactics, or even serve as the underdog protagonist fighting a desperate battle in an almost David and Goliath esque scenario. Instead they are portrayed as being cartoonishly evil and incompetent yet despite being shown as inferior in every single way to the protagonists, they get presented as some kind of nightmarish existential threat to the Mary Sue Furry Space Empire because... They don't let them constantly terrorize, rape and slaughter humanity for shits and giggles?

As for the whole "Furries smugly gloating about how evil, backwards and inferior Humans are while surrounded by dozens of burning corpses" stuff, i'm fine with it as long as they balance it out with stuff similar to vid related:

A simple reminder that sheer fucking hubris can be the greatest threat imaginable, even to a race of multicolored deviantart OCs.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

A lot of the smug "morally superior" power fantasy shit with the stories you mentioned @Scream Aim Fire reminds me of stuff like Nihonkoku Shoukan and GATE, but at least with those they balance it out with showing how the introduction of advanced technology changes the world for better and worse, and they can be somewhat interesting with how they show a modern nation dealing with other nations with vastly different levels of technological, cultural and societal development. Furries on the other hand write stories about overpowered Mary Sue space empires completely curbstomping Humanity.
And much like the stories I mentioned they refuse to balance it out by having the Humans formulate basic strategy and tactics, or even serve as the underdog protagonist fighting a desperate battle in an almost David and Goliath esque scenario. Instead they are portrayed as being cartoonishly evil and incompetent yet despite being shown as inferior in every single way to the protagonists, they get presented as some kind of nightmarish existential threat to the Mary Sue Furry Space Empire because... They don't let them constantly terrorize, rape and slaughter humanity for shits and giggles?

As for the whole "Furries smugly gloating about how evil, backwards and inferior Humans are while surrounded by dozens of burning corpses" stuff, i'm fine with it as long as they balance it out with stuff similar to vid related:
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A simple reminder that sheer fucking hubris can be the greatest threat imaginable, even to a race of multicolored deviantart OCs.

Where is that clip from?

 

[JesusChristDenton]

Where is that clip from?

It's from a Warhammer 40k short series called "The Exodite", despite it's name it has less to do with the Eldar and more to do with the Tau and Imperium getting into yet another apocalyptic slapfight.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

A lot of the smug "morally superior" power fantasy shit with the stories you mentioned @Scream Aim Fire reminds me of stuff like Nihonkoku Shoukan and GATE, but at least with those they balance it out with showing how the introduction of advanced technology changes the world for better and worse, and they can be somewhat interesting with how they show a modern nation dealing with other nations with vastly different levels of technological, cultural and societal development. Furries on the other hand write stories about overpowered Mary Sue space empires completely curbstomping Humanity.

I still see furries try and act like their whole "hate humans" schtick wasn't really a thing until recently, and it's always "justified". Whenever that happens, I just pint out stuff like Chakona Space or some of the other stories I've read that date back to the 90s, if not earlier.

And much like the stories I mentioned they refuse to balance it out by having the Humans formulate basic strategy and tactics, or even serve as the underdog protagonist fighting a desperate battle in an almost David and Goliath esque scenario. Instead they are portrayed as being cartoonishly evil and incompetent yet despite being shown as inferior in every single way to the protagonists, they get presented as some kind of nightmarish existential threat to the Mary Sue Furry Space Empire because... They don't let them constantly terrorize, rape and slaughter humanity for shits and giggles?

That's basically it; furries want the absolute freedom to do whatever they want, whenever they want, damn the consequences. Humanity has to be this mindless, incompetent evil because the furries can't handle even the slightest bit of criticism or dislike; no joke, I've seen stories where the furries quite literally start destroying entire realities simply because someone basically told a furry "no".

Gonna sperg a bit: apologizes.

Spoiler: Autism

As an example: Chakona Space. Made all the way back in the 1990s, if not earlier, the main antagonists opposing the furries is Humanity First, a strawman religious militia that hates furries for... whatever reason. The stories themselves talk constantly about how H1 members and operators are all evil, how they all deserve to be killed off, how everything they do is wrong... and yet, there basically wasn't ever a single H1 member that had any form of victory or even posed a significant threat for... almost the entire run. Hell, the only really recurring H1 character - a guy named "Reverend Hughes" - is constantly portrayed as mindlessly idiotic and blindly clinging to Christianity, which the furries go well out of their way to mock.

No joke, it took over 15 real-world years of stories for the "super evil and deadly" H1 to actually get a single victory over one of the furries. And even that rendered moot once the Chakats start calling on literal gods - who are naturally portrayed as always loving and willing to have sex with anything unlike that "evil Christian God who's false and evil" - to start travelling the multiverse and begin mass killing any humans that even have the slightest bit of dislike for furries. Or, you know, start chemical gassing entire planets because the Chakats detected even the slightest bit of discontent.

And this is just one example; furries can't even think about having any actual difficulty or development to their story, because they'll lose their minds otherwise.

As for the whole "Furries smugly gloating about how evil, backwards and inferior Humans are while surrounded by dozens of burning corpses" stuff, i'm fine with it as long as they balance it out with stuff similar to vid related:
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A simple reminder that sheer fucking hubris can be the greatest threat imaginable, even to a race of multicolored deviantart OCs.

Again, admitting fault and having a Mary Sue face difficulty is beyond most furry writers.

 

[Chaplainsama]

I'd like to do a writeup about Associated Student Bodies, but I realize that analyzing the stories alone through my limited outlook at this time would be a great disservice to the historical context of not only the authors and artists behind it, but the time period in queer culture that informs the story and characters.
If anyone else is interested in offering their experiences or analyses to try and spitball a decent writeup, I'm all ears over here.
I do believe that it is one of the most underappreciated historical gay furry comics in the history of the craft, and it deserves proper justice to express just how much meaning this series carries not just for me, but Lord knows hundreds of other furries.
I can't really do this one by myself here folks. Any help is appreciated.

 

[Coolio55]

I'd like to do a writeup about Associated Student Bodies, but I realize that analyzing the stories alone through my limited outlook at this time would be a great disservice to the historical context of not only the authors and artists behind it, but the time period in queer culture that informs the story and characters.
If anyone else is interested in offering their experiences or analyses to try and spitball a decent writeup, I'm all ears over here.
I do believe that it is one of the most underappreciated historical gay furry comics in the history of the craft, and it deserves proper justice to express just how much meaning this series carries not just for me, but Lord knows hundreds of other furries.
I can't really do this one by myself here folks. Any help is appreciated.

I think that's a good start but we should also recognize the importance of Incontinent Student Bodies to the queer diaper community.
A "genesis" event if you will.
I'd really like testimonies from people who were touched by it and had their lives changed by it.
It has deep historical context.

 

[Chaplainsama]

I think that's a good start but we should also recognize the importance of Incontinent Student Bodies to the queer diaper community.
A "genesis" event if you will.
I'd really like testimonies from people who were touched by it and had their lives changed by it.
It has deep historical context.

Part of the idea is highlighting what a blight Incontinent Student Bodies is on the community and how its tainted ASB's legacy.

 

[Coolio55]

Part of the idea is highlighting what a blight Incontinent Student Bodies is on the community and how its tainted ASB's legacy.

What do you mean "blight"? This is queer history right here.
Honestly, of the two wish fufilment spank rags - incontinent student bodies is far far more relevant and far more insightful than the work it riffed on.

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

I still see furries try and act like their whole "hate humans" schtick wasn't really a thing until recently, and it's always "justified". Whenever that happens, I just pint out stuff like Chakona Space or some of the other stories I've read that date back to the 90s, if not earlier.

Thing is, back in the day most Sci-Fi had a very big "humans fucking suck" stint. I remember being shown the story "thinking meat" back in high school. The fact it was so prevalent was what caused the explosion of HFY stories, because every new culture is just a massive reaction to the previous culture.

Spoiler: NoP discussion for people tired of it.

Which is why I feel Nature of Predators landed so well, because it's kind of a response to both extremes.

You mention a Humanity First, and there is also a Humanity First in NoP. But the first character we see sign up, is one of the soldiers during the predator disease scandal. Where the governor basically says he will be treated as "minimum risk" for having fucking ADHD, and that is coming from one of the most pro-human aliens in the story.

And Humanity First is still the bad guys, but it doesn't play pretend that there is no reason why good people would chooses to sign up, in the face of what they go through. It's very much a story about how dogma twists and molds people, and most people on the ground floor are just victims trying to get by.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

A lot of the human hating indeed is part of this old school sci-fi thing of constantly imagining a brighter future and trying to measure up to it. H. G. Wells was a socialist and he was guilty of it, with all that wide eyed innocence about how technology would solve all human problems and we would just magically stop having issues.

It could get even more ridiculous, like with Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke where the aliens show up and they just fix shit to the point where in like 30 years religion, racism and bigotry are all gone. It's absolutely pie in the sky shit only possible by overdosing on optimism.

The main difference between these types of human negativity and the furry type is that in one it is meant as a show of being primitive and unevolved, the other is just strawmaning.