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The Last Stand said:
Why split it? What is the point of a jury then? Has this ever been done before at all?
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Short and simple answer is to get a guilty verdict. They only need the judge to bring down a guilty verdict to set the next stage in motion, where the media can run with him being a felon, and the house/congress can drum up renewed support for "stripping felons of secret service protection". (read into that what you will, it was tried earlier this year).

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So falsifying of business records is a misdemeanor, and outside of the statute of limitations UNLESS it was performed in furtherance of another crime, in which case it becomes a felony, and is within the statue of limitations. Kind of like how drug possession turns into intent to distribute if you have a scale and baggies. The DA has charges with intent to distribute, but doesn't say what the drug he has was, and doesn't charge the person with having drugs. So now we have someone being charged the felony version of a crime without the crime being committed in the first place. This is why you'll see people shouting that there's no underlying crimes.

The "underlying crime" they allude to is election interference crimes, that had the public known about the stormy daniels shit, he might have lost, so hiding that is election interference. The problem is that the DA never charges him with election interference, because he could never win that case. But you'll notice that the DA constantly referenced it during the trial, and the judge never stopped him.

So let's bring this all together: The DA is charging add on crimes as if the base crime is there, but it isn't, and having the base crime is the only way the add-on charges reache the level of felonies. This is where the judge comes in. From the moment charges were filed, the judge SHOULD have demanded the underlying crime be charged and adjudicated as well, because without it, there's no legal or factual basis for this to be tried as felonies. He didn't. He let this go on. When the DA was bringing in witnesses like Stormy Daniels and allowing irrelevant predjudicial testimony (anything that paints trump in a bad light for the jury, but doesn't do anything to prove the facts of the case), he should have sustained defense objections. He didn't. He allowed it. When the defense wanted to bring in an expert to testify about all of this, the judge should have allowed it. Once again, he didn't.

So this is the ace in the hole. After all of the clearly predjuicial things he's done from the bench, up until this point, he STILL couldn't ensure a conviction without using the nuclear option, which is the jury instructions you see before you. Since the DA couldn't bring the case above the burden even with his help, he's lowering the burden below the DA's current level.
 
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Sweeter and Savoury said:
The Feds have already spent almost $300 million fortifying Detroit for the upcoming DNC circle jerk. They'd deployed everyone from the ATF, the FBI and the DEA to Homeland Security and fucking BPS to try to prevent anything from happening.

The mayor just made it very clear that it don't matter if you were a good boy last time the Feds asked you to riot, you do it this time and they will throw your ass in jail and leave you there to rot.

The DNC and their masters don't want anyone protesting or causing any problems while they're in tow, certainly not any any anti- joo protest or god forbid pro-Palastine. The second the big boys leave your free to go back to shitting up the streets all you want but for these 3 days you best stay at home.

Make you think huh? Where was all this institutional power when BLM was around?
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Los Angeles is run by a "defunded the police" mayor and a Soros DA that let's cop killers and pedophiles off the hook.

And is suffering from lots of nigger crime.

And they sent out a massive police force just to brutally crush university students opposing Israel multiple times.

And the city is still going to shit.

It seems like whatever remains of the LAPD can still be used to maintain laws but it seems they only exist to serve the kikes and Zionist shitlibs that run Los Angeles.
 
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Sweeter and Savoury said:
If Trump does get a guilty verdict in NY will they put him in jail while the appeal goes thru it's paces?
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that's a good question, iirc reports are that Secret Service have started discussing logistics with the local jail in case that's the decision
 
Sweeter and Savoury said:
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If Trump does get a guilty verdict in NY will they put him in jail while the appeal goes thru it's paces?
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If this were a normal court, not. Most likely house arrest with an ankle monitor since he's already under watch of a federal department (secret service).

In Judge "Intent to Distribute without Drugs" Merchan's court? Probably.
 
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Barry McKockner said:
The "underlying crime" they allude to is election interference crimes, that had the public known about the stormy daniels shit, he might have lost, so hiding that is election interference. The problem is that the DA never charges him with election interference, because he could never win that case. But you'll notice that the DA constantly referenced it during the trial, and the judge never stopped him.
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Wait a minute, so this whole Trump trial in NYC is about "falsifying business records" during his NYC real estate deployment days? And they're using hearsay at best as evidence against him? What does "election interference" and Stormy Daniel have to do with anything?

And how can you be charged with "intent to distribute" when you don't even HAVE anything TO distribute? That'd be like somebody close to you dying and the only proof that have is that you once held a kitchen knife.
 
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Sweeter and Savoury said:
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If Trump does get a guilty verdict in NY will they put him in jail while the appeal goes thru it's paces?
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XYZpdq Jr. said:
that's a good question, iirc reports are that Secret Service have started discussing logistics with the local jail in case that's the decision
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Barry McKockner said:
If this were a normal court, not. Most likely house arrest with an ankle monitor since he's already under watch of a federal department (secret service).

In Judge "Intent to Distribute without Drugs" Merchan's court? Probably.
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It depends on how much they consider the humiliation of jailing him worth it. It'll get them asspats from the TDS crowd, but to others it's jailing the opposition leader, which is an optics nightmare.

Putting him on house arrest, meanwhile, gives them the pretense of it not being election interference, but doesn't appease their baying mongoloid army.
 
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The Last Stand said:
Wait a minute, so this whole Trump trial in NYC is about "falsifying business records" during his NYC real estate deployment days? And they're using hearsay at best as evidence against him? What does "election interference" and Stormy Daniel have to do with anything?

And how can you be charged with "intent to distribute" when you don't even HAVE anything TO distribute? That'd be like somebody close to you dying and the only proof that have is that you once held a kitchen knife.
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No, the real estate one is a separate case. That one is also frustratingly blatantly corrupt.

This case is that when the trump organization paid cohen for legal fees, and listed it under legal fees in their books, that was false because the money was for a hush money payment to Stormy Daniels. They say that paying her off was election interference because if the public knew about his affair, he might have lost the election. Cohen admitted that trump knew nothing about any of it in court, and they could prove nothing.

As for your second question, that's the whole point. If they can't prove you had posession (which is the underlying crime), they can't add on that you had intent to distribute. That's why this whole thing is a clown show.
 
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spaztocate9000 said:
I bet congress will remove secret service protection 1 day after the Trump jailing, and within 20 minutes he'll get epstein'd. Strap in, 2024 is going off the rails!
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Part of me thinks, "they're not that retarded, they know they have to maintain some facade of legitimacy."

But then I remember, what consequences will they face for it? Some Strongly Worded Letters and Charlie Kirk tweeting "imagine if things were reversed"?
 
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The Last Stand said:
Wait a minute, so this whole Trump trial in NYC is about "falsifying business records" during his NYC real estate deployment days? And they're using hearsay at best as evidence against him? What does "election interference" and Stormy Daniel have to do with anything?

And how can you be charged with "intent to distribute" when you don't even HAVE anything TO distribute? That'd be like somebody close to you dying and the only proof that have is that you once held a kitchen knife.
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The answer to these and every other logical, reasonable question is orange man bad.
 
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The Last Stand said:
Is the 4/4/4 innocent/guilty/no contest? I know Trump is a polarizing figure, but it looks like a straight tie like that CAN be manipulated into a guilty verdict.
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I would like to see a not guilty verdict just for the guilty pleasure to see a Downfall parody clip where Hitler raged after he learned then Trump is not guilty. :story:
 
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Barry McKockner said:
I'm really hoping they are doing their jobs the right way. The judge being corrupt makes me MATI. But I pray I don't lose faith in people today. I'm not THAT blackpilled yet.
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I'm optimistic that if they were just going to find him Orange with intent to Bad then they'd just come back immediately and not fuck around.
 
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