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[Betonhaus]

amusing bit I picked up from local talk radio
due to NYC bullshit it is literally ILLEGAL for the Judge to give written instructions to the jury, even if it's just a transcript of what he said
so when they need to go over the instructions they ALL go back into the court and he reads ALL fifty-five (?!?) pages of instructions out again

How many times can they request to re-hear the instructions before the Judge kicks them off the case?

 

[Snekposter]

They sent the jury home, but not before another question from the jury:

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No, stalker child, you will not learn Calvinball.

Seems like everyone but the jury got the memo that they're supposed to convict him no matter what.

 

[Meat Target]

amusing bit I picked up from local talk radio
due to NYC bullshit it is literally ILLEGAL for the Judge to give written instructions to the jury, even if it's just a transcript of what he said

Are you shitting me? What, do written instructions discriminate against illiterate people or something?

Total New York Death.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Are you shitting me? What, do written instructions discriminate against illiterate people or something?

Total New York Death.

I dunno the why for this, but a lot of NYC legal bullshit is based around keeping people employed, like couriers instead of faxes and shit, per Federal Law Defense Guy on local show

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

You know what bugs me about this "If it's 4+4+4 I'll consider it unanimous!" bit?

He could actually try to say that the same 4 jurors voting guilty on those 3 counts equal 12 votes, meaning it's unanimoous.

I mean, in any other reality, you'd say I was wrong.

But this is Clown World.

You know he's going to try that stupid shit.

 

[WonderWino]

if Trump went behind bars he'd be segregated and would never even see another inmate

Not true and not possible unless we're talking about that supermax shithole in colorado where they stick the real psychos, not physically possible. There is no individual segregation in the US prison system outside of solitary confinement, which they can't throw someone into long term without actual cause. So says civil rights laws. Nor would anyone want to be regardless. At best you could dump him in adseg with the rats, sex offenders and all those types but he'd still be around other inmates. But its a moot point because it doesn't change the fact that no armed secret service members would be allowed there

"On prison property" being the key words here. Secret Service don't have to hand him over

Except they do. Once someone is convicted and sentenced that sentence is legally mandated to be carried out. Neither the secret service nor anyone else can legally refuse to turn someone over to serve their sentence nor can they interfere with it in any way. That would be all kinds of illegal, not the least of which being obstruction of justice

If you think the secret service is going to rush into the courtroom, pull out guns, point them at the bailiff and cops and drag trump away rather than allowing the sentence to be carried out you're nuts. Anybody trying something like that would be dropped like a piece of beef by the bailiff or the other law enforcement personnel in the courtroom

If elected he would be serving his second and final term in office to a post he cannot be re-elected. He doesn't have to give a single shit about how things look politically

Except he does because doing ethically and likely legally questionable things like that is how you get impeached rather quickly. The media would have an utter field day with that one. Convicted felon trumps first act was the pardon himself! Proving he's a tin pot dictator and criminal we've been saying he was for the past decade! is likely pretty close to the worldwide headlines for the next day. It would be political suicide for the administration. The US would look like a banana republic overnight

Impeachment is a political process, a conviction for which they do not and will never have the votes

They would be if he tried to pardon himself. The pressure to do so would be immediate and wouldn't stop until they did. The media and dems would latch onto that like a leech

No he wouldn't. The constitution says nothing about incarceration as a bar to being eligible to hold office, neither does the 25th Amendment, and as for 25th Amendment proceedings, if you've ever seen the show 24, you'll know that you need the Vice President and majority of the cabinet to sign off on that before a President can even be removed via 25th Amendment

Irrelevant. If a person is unable to carry out the duties of the job in a reasonable and realistic, practical manner it would be grounds to have them declared incapacitated and have the office assumed by the VP. Thats not even debatable. The supreme court can and would do it itself if it had to. Aside from the fact you can't have armed guards in the prison, its a massive security risk to have football and nuclear codes in one, you're not going to be able to hold meetings, attend meetings, engage in practical diplomacy, conduct state visits and a hundred other things that come with the job. Not to mention if shit were to go down it would be illegal to remove the president from the prison to run off to whatever bunker they might have in mind. BOP would not allow it

That's their job

No it isn't. Their job is to protect the president, not provoke stupid incidents that get people, including themselves killed

That said there is no point in arguing something that hasn't even happened yet

Kind of concerning that the jury would want the instructions again though. Makes me wonder if there is some kind of deadlock and they're arguing over the specifics of what to convict on and if they're allowed to convict a particular way, which strongly he's getting convicted of something regardless

 

[St.Davis]

You know what bugs me about this "If it's 4+4+4 I'll consider it unanimous!" bit?

He could actually try to say that the same 4 jurors voting guilty on those 3 counts equal 12 votes, meaning it's unanimoous.

I mean, in any other reality, you'd say I was wrong.

But this is Clown World.

You know he's going to try that stupid shit.

I think that's the whole idea behind this move.

amusing bit I picked up from local talk radio
due to NYC bullshit it is literally ILLEGAL for the Judge to give written instructions to the jury, even if it's just a transcript of what he said
so when they need to go over the instructions they ALL go back into the court and he reads ALL fifty-five (?!?) pages of instructions out again

How are you expected to memorise 55 pages of instruction?

 

[Betonhaus]

You know what bugs me about this "If it's 4+4+4 I'll consider it unanimous!" bit?

He could actually try to say that the same 4 jurors voting guilty on those 3 counts equal 12 votes, meaning it's unanimoous.

I mean, in any other reality, you'd say I was wrong.

But this is Clown World.

You know he's going to try that stupid shit.

so what happens if four or more jurors decide he's not guilty on all counts?

 

[General Emílio Médici]

What would be the funniest outcome? Guilty or innocent?

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

How are you expected to memorise 55 pages of instruction?

I have to question if the 55 was law dude misspeaking or me mishearing, because that's a lot of pages for "ORANGE MAN BAD"

 

[Betonhaus]

What would be the funniest outcome? Guilty or innocent?

the funniest outcome would be him found innocent after all this. the salt could be made into batteries that could power New York for decades.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

the funniest outcome would be him found innocent after all this. the salt could be made into batteries that could power New York for decades.

couple of felonies under his belt would cement Trump as the Realest Hood Nigga to ever be president

 

[spinal gas chamber]

amusing bit I picked up from local talk radio
due to NYC bullshit it is literally ILLEGAL for the Judge to give written instructions to the jury, even if it's just a transcript of what he said
so when they need to go over the instructions they ALL go back into the court and he reads ALL fifty-five (?!?) pages of instructions out again

Fucking ask for instructions over and over til he gets tired and calls a mistrial lol. If that’s really true.

E: that would be the funniest outcome

 

[Barry McKockner]

Irrelevant. If a person is unable to carry out the duties of the job in a reasonable and realistic, practical manner it would be grounds to have them declared incapacitated and have the office assumed by the VP. Thats not even debatable. The supreme court can and would do it itself if it had to. Aside from the fact you can't have armed guards in the prison, its a massive security risk to have football and nuclear codes in one, you're not going to be able to hold meetings, attend meetings, engage in practical diplomacy, conduct state visits and a hundred other things that come with the job. Not to mention if shit were to go down it would be illegal to remove the president from the prison to run off to whatever bunker they might have in mind. BOP would not allow it

BOP is under the executive branch. President is their boss. BOP can't stop shit.

Except he does because doing ethically and likely legally questionable things like that is how you get impeached rather quickly. The media would have an utter field day with that one. Convicted felon trumps first act was the pardon himself! Proving he's a tin pot dictator and criminal we've been saying he was for the past decade! is likely pretty close to the worldwide headlines for the next day. It would be political suicide for the administration. The US would look like a banana republic overnight

If Trump wins after getting arrested, they have no grounds to impeach him for pardoning himself. To attempt to impeach him after he pardoned himself in such a situation would be akin to going against the will of the people. It's a political loser at that point.

Also, for the state vs federal thing, the DOJ can demand he be remanded into their custody for the duration of his term, and there's nothing the state of new York could do about it outside of starting states rights war 2:electric boogaloo

 

[Betonhaus]

Fucking ask for instructions over and over til he gets tired and calls a mistrial lol. If that’s really true.

E: that would be the funniest outcome

what if they keep pointing out contradictions so he has to keep revising the instructions? 55 pages leaves a lot of room for contradictions, especially as this judge doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb in the crate of onions.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Brandon Herrera takes a shot at Israeli simps.

 

[spinal gas chamber]

what if they keep pointing out contradictions so he has to keep revising the instructions? 55 pages leaves a lot of room for contradictions, especially as this judge doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb in the crate of onions.

Sure. But that’s more work for the jury than just saying “can we get the instructions again”. If that’s a true law, I would love to be able to talk to a juror and point this out.

 

[Snekposter]

How are you expected to memorise 55 pages of instruction?

That's just it: the legal gymnastics involved might very well be beyond the intellectual capacity of NYC bughivers to follow. Ironic.

 

[Betonhaus]

...is there a copy of the instructions online somewhere?

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

That's just it: the legal gymnastics involved might very well be beyond the intellectual capacity of NYC bughivers to follow. Ironic.

Honestly not even just bug-hivers. I haven't seen the directions but I can't possibly imagine being able to keep 55 pages straight in my head, I would have to just go through it like a checklist to have any chance of feeling assured that I did it properly, and I imagine the same is true of most people

I heard there are lawyers on the jury, I wonder if one of them mentioned that the directions can't be written down, so the truth social guy is just playing stupid to kill everyone's spirits