US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Gehenna]

TDS has nothing to do with Trump’s views, TDS has everything to do with what he represents.

Yep. We have our own shit to deal with. They can flatten the Gaza Strip all they want but they have to deal with the consequences, not the American taxpayer. It is immoral to give even a shekel over to Israel when we have numerous problems, including a porous border.

That seems to be a distinction without a difference.

When was the last sufferer of TDS who said Trump has any good views? Trump could say he likes cats and we would have articles the next day about how Egyptians revered cats and enslaved the jews therefore Trump's love of cats and cats in general are antisemitic.

They cannot ever admit Trump has good views because that would mean admitting there is anything good about Trump to begin with.

 

[Bindo]

Nothing happens until it does

On multiple levels, this is probably going to be one of those things that happens imperceptibly slowly, and then all at once.

 

[Rykel22]

I can see a jailing(or offing) of Trump being the spark that sets off lone wolves. The ones that believe any right-wing group to be subverted by the feds and now think there's nothing left to lose.

 

[TJT]

I have no idea why two lawyers or anyone in the legal field was allowed on that jury. It would have been right around my third question when it came time to choose jury and everyone who answered yes would be off. The prosecution knew, for a fact, how flimsy their case was and the judge was clearly on their side and giving helpful tips where he could.

Now, I will stress since people mistake me for someone with a lot of hope. I am not saying that this case is absolutely certainly going to be a mistrial. What I am saying is if either of those two lawyers, let alone possibly both, are in the acquit on basis of legal fuckery camp -then- this is doomed to mistrial. And there is no real good reason to state either wouldn't be. One has the stance of "I agree with Trump on some things, disagree with him on others" which makes him non-TDS and I would argue a likely "acquit on legal fuckery", the other lawyer is someone who noped out of politics entirely, reads fairly biased but otherwise kinda centrist magazines, and is hardly prime TDS material.

And neither would be the juror that has been noted by everyone as actually liking Trump visibly. Which is either Juror 2 or Juror 5. And the thing is, its -not- Juror 5. Because the media slipped up and said that the eager juror was male. Meaning it -is- Juror 2, and Juror 5 was rather blatantly pro-trump in her questionnaire. So we have 2 for sure pro-trump jurors -and- possibly two 'pro-acquit on legal fuckery'.

In short, with at least one lawyer on their side we would have 3-9 at worst which is.... well, very not-productive to getting a result other than mistrial. Brow beating down one guy would be easy, brow beating 2 is kinda hard because they reinforce eachother, 3 with the third having an inbuilt resistance to budging period is a guarantee.

No matter the result, I am very much looking forward to seeing the leaks from the jury after!

That one is very strange.

Normally anyone with a legal background is actively purged from being on a jury. Especially lawyers. Even for completely dumbass DUI cases. But this is clown world so there must be some other angle.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Same! Though to point out the flaws in my own reasoning. I have no way of knowing if the two lawyers are holdouts for sure. If they are both anti-Trump then this is pretty well doomed. Though so long as at least one is at least too miffed about the jury instructions to care about Trump pro or anti, then this is a mistrial.

Can't the judge just decide that one not-guilty holdout can be swapped out for an alternate? I mean the judge has basically said "screw the law, get the orange man" to the point I'm surprised no interlocutory appeals have been filed.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Holy shit, Brandon really made Gonzalez squirm. He should run again next time.

Less than 450 votes

Doesn't matter. He lost. Anything less than Total RINO Extinction is unacceptable.

If the GOP voter base can't primary a white-flag-waving pussy like Gonzales, then there's no hope for them. As far as I'm concerned, TX23 can get ripped to shreds by their invader pets.

Spare me this gay "we'll get 'em next time!" cope. If the Right isn't gonna elect leaders with spines, then they might as well just bend over and accept their permanent buttsex slave status.

Pessimist doomer detected.

In reality, Brandon was an out of state transplant with zero "here's what I DID FOR YOU " cachet and came within a few hundred votes of ousting an incumbent with a money advantage.

That's outstanding for a freshman effort.

I refuse to believe that so many controversial races legitimately always end up with the bad guys winning by a scant 2%

Primary voters are super dedicated or super ideological. Simple as that. Fewer voters usually mean a smaller margin of victory if you're in any way shape or form a weak candidate.

Well, if it helps I figured Rittenhouse's best hope was for a mistrial. Maybe fate will throw another wildcard our way.

Same here. The fact that they're taking more than a day or even a few hours means the "THAT NIGGA IS GUILTY" crowd isn't winning in the jury pool

All it takes is ONE holdout

"Ain't how the law works"
"But the judge said"
"Judge wrong"

Yep. One juror can torpedo the "plan"

 

[TJT]

If you have 2 TDS lawyers on the jury they will be able to sell the instructions as being totally above board.

 

[AnotherPleb]

If you have 2 TDS lawyers on the jury they will be able to sell the instructions as being totally above board.

Then why did the jury go to day 2?

 

[TJT]

Then why did the jury go to day 2?

Fuck knows. I am just a retard making retarded speculations. It's humble and unappreciated work.

 

[Gehenna]

If you have 2 TDS lawyers on the jury they will be able to sell the instructions as being totally above board.

If both are TDS lawyers then this shit be doomed. That being said one is almost certainly not TDS and the other has no obvious indicators of it. In fact he comes off as apolitical.

Can't the judge just decide that one not-guilty holdout can be swapped out for an alternate? I mean the judge has basically said "screw the law, get the orange man" to the point I'm surprised no interlocutory appeals have been filed.

In theory yes, in practice.... eeeeeeeh. The Judge is not supposed to be informed who is issues, all he is told by the foreman is "We cannot come to an agreement". If anything else occurs its grounds for dismissal of the case on appeals and a judge tampering with the jury is one of the few things that can get judges in trouble.

So normally no, with Merchan... well that depends on something we don't know. We know he is an ideologue for the uniparty, but he hasn't done anything that is personally dangerous to himself or his career. So it depends on if he wants to cross that bridge or if he pussies out once it has ramifications.

 

[Nate Scully 025]

The irony on the trial is, to me at least… that the Left should be praying and begging for a mistrial. At this point that seems to be the only outcome that won’t be actively helping Trump any more than it already has.

That would give the whole thing the faintest veneer of legitimacy, whilst still allowing claims that ‘Trump was accused of election interference/federal crimes’. Because Trump walking with an innocent verdict or being thrown in the clink for a bullshit Guilty both seem like they’ll help him, with a mistrial being the only option left to salvage fucking anything from this.

 

[Gehenna]

Fuck knows. I am just a retard making retarded speculations. It's humble and unappreciated work.

For what it is worth, I appreciate it. It is airing a thought everyone here has and is then fodder for people to respond.

 

[AnotherPleb]

The irony on the trial is, to me at least… that the Left should be praying and begging for a mistrial. At this point that seems to be the only outcome that won’t be actively helping Trump any more than it already has.

That would give the whole thing the faintest veneer of legitimacy, whilst still allowing claims that ‘Trump was accused of election interference/federal crimes’. Because Trump walking with an innocent verdict or being thrown in the clink for a bullshit Guilty both seem like they’ll help him, with a mistrial being the only option left to salvage fucking anything from this.

Ask John Epstein how well that went for him.

 

[Nate Scully 025]

Ask John Epstein how well that went for him.

Look, I’m not gonna insist there will be a habbening if they kill Trump in prison. But there’s so much risk associated with doing it that I have trouble imagining anyone okay’ing that putting on fucking PANTS, much less not being a mouthbreathing retard. Like… they could and might have that planned. There’s been STUPID shit given the green light. But I legitimately boggle at the thought of them going forward with that option.

I’m not saying they CAN’T, I’m just saying they’d have to be even more fucking stupid than we already know they are.

 

[Gehenna]

Look, I’m not gonna insist there will be a habbening if they kill Trump in prison. But there’s so much risk associated with doing it that I have trouble imagining anyone okay’ing that putting on fucking PANTS, much less not being a mouthbreathing retard. Like… they could and might have that planned. There’s been STUPID shit given the green light. But I legitimately boggle at the thought of them going forward with that option.

I’m not saying they CAN’T, I’m just saying they’d have to be even more fucking stupid than we already know they are.

I too have learned my lesson about saying cannot but I wish to add. Everyone who has a say has all but confirmed he would receive house arrest if he is convicted, and even if somehow that did not occur and he went to a proper prison he would be under constant watch of the SS not general prison guards.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/top-gop-lawmaker-files-misconduct-complaint-linked-to-trump-judge-5658884

https://archive.is/1sbk2

https://megalodon.jp/2024-0530-2115-30/https://x.com:443/EliseStefanik/status/1795585619223081302/

https://archive.is/0DABt

 

[mlanguishi]

"Unexpected" it looks again, way worse than what they thought but always with the "could do better next time".

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gdp-shows-u-s-economy-grew-just-1-3-in-the-first-quarter-as-consumer-spending-slowed-3567a587

https://archive.ph/wip/ECzkT

GDP shows U.S. economy grew just 1.3% in the first quarter as consumer spending slowed

The numbers: The U.S. economy grew at a slower 1.3% annual pace in the first three months of the year, revised government figures show, largely because of softer consumer spending.

The increase in gross domestic product, the official scorecard for the economy was the smallest in almost two years. Previously the government reported that GDP had expanded at a 1.6% rate in the first quarter.

The biggest contributors to the tepid GDP report were a wider trade deficit and a smaller increase in inventories or unsold goods.
Yet the revised report also showed that consumer spending, the main driver of the economy, grew at a 2% pace instead of 2.5% as previously indicated. Household spending had risen at a 3%-plus rate in the prior two quarters
GDP could bounce back in the second quarter, however. The latest forecasts indicate the economy may have grown 3% or more, similar to the last two quarterly readings of 2023.
Big picture: Even if second-quarter GDP rebounds, the economy is unlikely to show much swagger for the rest of the year.

 

[Dr J]

TDS has nothing to do with Trump’s views, TDS has everything to do with what he represents.

Fuck you talking about? TDS has everything to do with Trump's views.

 

[Seychelle Pennyfeather]

Qoomers (Q-Boomers) will read about this worthless lawsuit, which the conservative justices will unanimously throw out, and respond in the following way:

[DS] PANICKING!

EYES ON ARIZONA!

Qoomers made Trump into their personal God. Repent, Qoomers!

Oh yes, there are still many who believe that Qanus (or "Q," as they refer to him) is real. They still trust The Plan, which is a warped parody of God's planning and providence.

Qanus is a Satanic Cult.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

Qoomers (Q-Boomers) will read about this worthless lawsuit, which the conservative justices will unanimously throw out, and respond in the following way:

[DS] PANICKING!

EYES ON ARIZONA!

Qoomers made Trump into their personal God. Repent, Qoomers!

Oh yes, there are still many who believe that Qanus (or "Q," as they refer to him) is real. They still trust The Plan, which is a warped parody of God's planning and providence.

Qanus is a Satanic Cult.

Nigga what