Dumb, but also flies directly in the face of the idea that self-identification is what matters. On this logic, unless you transition fully, you aren't a "butterfly". So which is it? If we can clock your birth gender, aren't you still just a caterpillar?
I think you can make a thread in Talk to Staff about it and they'll be able to explain the process.
My understanding is that you do the rewrite of the OP in Prospering Grounds, and people can contribute to it, and the mods can either edit Real Mayuns original to include the update or they'll bump the new OP page to supersede it?
Apparently SciShow put out a video on horse piss pills, and some trannies are buttmad:
(link, archived threadreader)
It's an insanely long scREEd but the main points I'm gathering are:
SS did not consult male trannies, only female ones
SS didn't promote troonshine as a viable alternative to informed consent
having to wait for a doctor to prescribe you a treatment instead of walking in and demanding it is actually transphobia and SS is downplaying this horrid crime
specifics about certain meds used for HRT aren't presented 'correctly' (more on this later)
SS did not present tranny claims about moob growth, feet shrinking, and height loss as bonafide Fact even though sooo many trannies claim it, so it must be true (reminder to him: the plural of anecdote is not data)
SS called male troons sexist for claiming they get super emoshunal on female hormones when this is actually them just "explaining their new emotional access" (fucking lol)
TL;DR: SS did not present tranny claims as fact and did not center male troons. A literal crime.
Anyways, there was a small spat in the replies. Another long ass essay in response to someone mildly telling him he's off-base:
Normal people do not respond like this to criticism.
Hey Ellie, thanks for your response! I’ve been seeing some criticism for sure (not just from you) so im gonna go ahead and respond to some stuff here
Im glad you agree that there were shortcomings and you agreed with a lot of other points that I had. I understand you believe that this video overall does more good than harm, but I disagree.
While it is good intentioned, it unfortunately (as you have admitted) perpetuates a lot of myths and falsehoods, especially about trans fem hrt, despite poising itself as a resource specifically about hrt.
Unfortunately, the biggest issue here is not the many minor mistakes. That is not what makes the video “as a whole bad” as you said. The issue is that it was very very clearly created without consulting trans feminine people, and therefore struggles in a wide variety of different ways. That is very clearly an example of transmisogyny, and frustrating to many of us.
The biggest point I think we actually disagree on is the comment about experiencing mood swings being “sexism”. That *is* trans misogyny, and would not have happened had there been trans fems involved. Just because it has negative connotations does not mean it is sexist
You say it is not dangerous? It advocates nonbinary people to take blockers and no other sex hormones.
You say it is not misinformed? It claims finasteride and dutasteride is a tblocker. They are not. They are meant for hairloss, and are an antiadrogen that boosts estrogen and testosterone. Regardless, it didn’t even mention bica as an option!! These are not inherently horrible things, and don’t make the video horrible, but clearly show the lack of research and trans fem help.
You say it is not transmisogynistic? None of the above would have happened if a corporation did not choose to include exclusively trans mascs. The comment implying we are sexist for experiencing mood swings is wrong, too.
I do greatly appreciate your criticism. Im considering making a video talking about this on my YouTube, and will be very sure to keep everyone’s criticism in mind as I write a script, and also do a little more research than I did while writing this thread (which got way bigger than I could’ve imagined haha).
I will continue to fight for the trans community and what I believe is safe and right. Thank you again. And to emphasize again as well, I do not believe anyone involved in the video had any ill intent.
The rest of the replies seem to be mostly bandwagonning and @ing one of the SS hosts. A small sample:
Decided to check the YT video, not much there besides the usual troon circlejerking and muh Hirschfield institute.
That said, to address some of the OP's claims.
Dutasteride and Finasteride are *not* valid alternatives for T-blocking compared to spiro at all
Watching the SS video, it does not claim dutasteride or finasteride are T-blockers, just that they may also be prescribed for mtfs - which they often are, because they block DHT. He's right that they aren't T-blockers, but that isn't what SS claims they are anyways.
Later in this video, they even advocate for finasteride for trans mascs worried about hair loss??
Fucking kek. Any quick "finasteride ftm" google will show plenty, plenty of ftms use finasteride because of thinning/balding due to T. A ten second search for a study found this, where - although they only test it on ten pooners - it's demonstrated that finasteride did help treat male pattern baldness in ftms. This isn't a new thing, even when I was in my troonout days this was well known.
At 6:25 they claim that it is an online myth that progesterone boosts breast growth, and just anecdotal.
First of all, just because something is anecdotal does not inherently mean it’s wrong, especially when said by SO many trans fems. Unfortunately, trans care does not have a lot of research.
The very first study I found on this concluded that "addition of micronized progesterone to feminizing GAHT did not affect Tanner stage" (in English: progesterone did not make moobs bigger). A lit review of mtf moob growth studies found that "the use of progestins in MTF patients for breast development is controversial" and that although "some practitioners believe that progestins play a necessary role in achieving full breast development [...] some studies have shown this not to be the case".
When a bunch of men who get off to the idea of forcefem sissy fetish shit claim that X totally made their boobies growth three sizes that day, then of course that claim will be taken with a mountain of salt. In fact, something said by "SO many trans fems" is less believable to me as more trannies say it.
At 6:39 they claim that progesterone leads to blood clots. Again, WHAT? That’s only true for the synthetic medroxyprogesterone, not the bioidentical progesterone. This is an absolutely harmful myth.
My dude, the only study I could find on this that seems reputable claims a "reduced risk", not no risk. Less risky does not equal safe, and that article also used research performed on actual women.
At 7:19 they claim that bones will not change unless you start “VERY YOUNG”.
Wrong again!!!! Your hips do not fuse until around 25, and i personally can attest to a shrinking shoe size.
Oh, silly tranny. Bones do change on HRT thanks to a little friend called osteoporosis.
Real talk though, hip bones do not finish fusion until around 25 but that fusion begins before puberty. It's not until 25 that ossification is not fully complete, but that doesn't mean that you have some magical window until 25 where your body is a cyberpunk modder's paradise.
As for shoe size/height changes, even the pozzed UCSF states that "this is not due to bony changes, but due to changes in the ligaments and muscles of your feet and spinal column." Your bones aren't becoming gorly by the power of HRT, troon. You are atrophying.
At 7:48 they accuse trans women explaining their new emotional access as sexist.
Full stop. Shut the fuck up.
You sound sexist yourself. HRT side effects for even cis women literally do include mood swings. Additionally, being on estrogen has given us so many more emotions and ability to feel! This is why so many trans men report having a harder time crying. We are more emotional now!!! It’s just true, and it’s a beautiful thing not to be ashamed of. For many of us, feeling “emotional” is better, and painting that as sexism is evil and very TERFy.
I actually had to step back to process this. The ones that call terfs "bioessentialist" are also the ones claiming that female hormones make women inherently more able to feel emotions and to feel more emotions, at that? Fucking what?
Most researchers agree that women don't feel more emotions, but that they are generally more expressive and that the difference between sexes isn't mUh wHorEmOaNs but something more sociocultural related to gender roles.
It is literally more sexist to say that to access emotions you had to take horse piss pills. It is also literally sexist to say that your emotionally unstable woman larp is the result of female hormones and not the sheer vastness of your mental illness.
At 9:22 they basically go: some people say hrt makes you infertile. I DUNNO THO! We don’t have enough evidence
huh? Hrt very possibly will straight up make you infertile. Period. If you’re worried about that as a trans woman, get sperm frozen. Cannot believe this was passed off as not enough evidence with NO advice included, despite being so important to so many.
That is a thing that some people do for a short time. It is dangerous to be without either sex hormone for an extended period, but it's not unheard of for mtfs specifically to go on blockers for a few months before starting E.
Then there's this pooner chiming in that the video is inaccurate because it warns to not cross-contaminate by touching things until the gel has dried, which is common practice. She says that akshually it's not safe unless washed away:
Meanwhile a study concluded that once dry, contamination is unlikely. Of course, don't go touching shit willy nilly with your T gel infested hands, but "Jack" is really nitpicking here lol. Most any guidance I've ever encountered (though I never used gel) has been pretty clear that unless rehydrated you're clear once it fully (key word fully) dries.
TL;DR trannies lie, lie, lie. SciShow has clearly bought into tranny hype but has enough sense to not openly fellate the girldick and it's funny to see trannies turn on them despite the constant bootlicking SS has been pushing in recent videos.
If anyone was curious, here's "ghostpop" himself. Of course it's a mtf troon with a yuri banner.
(archive, curiously archived by someone else yesterday)
Yet another case of a tranny larping as the alt gf he couldn't get.
(archive)
Pooner goes in to get her breasts removed, tells her parents that it's just to get a reduction, and the surgical staff covers for her including modifying paperwork. This has to be all sorts of illegal/unethical
Here’s a male troon who went into a service station bathroom, stole used tampons of the twentysomething staff member from the bin, put them in his underwear, and then went home and masturbated to her period blood.
If any part of you thinks that these males belong in women’s bathrooms, THIS IS WHAT YOU SUPPORT.
Some people may think its extreme but I am fully of the opinion people like this should be publically burned at the stake.
I would vote for any proposal to make this law.
This level of degeneracy is a public health hazard.
It can only be purified by Holy Fire.
I know it's kinda wrong, but seeing all the cis gays out and about reminds me of everything I lack and how disconnected I feel from my body, and it hurts so freaking much. It's like the trans version of Christmas depression. I really want to get myself in the celebratory mood, but I'm finding it really hard.
This one is longer. I'm posting it here because they deny that there's any kind of "egg cracking" going on out on the Internet, even though this thread is full of examples. Post in r/trans expressing anything that is not Chad or Barbie and you'll be told you are trans. OTOH all trannies need to take responsibility. Bold is mine. Link | Archive
This set me off because I saw a post regarding a website called "transregretters" and maybe to a republican boomer, it's enticing, but any adult with a semblance of comprehension should see how ridiculous it is. I know there's plenty of detrans people who go on living their live without inflammatory political rants online about "transgenderism" and the "trans ideology," I'm not talking about them. I'm also not talking about dysphoric detrans people (due to medical, safety, etc.) This also isn't about detrans minors either. Different issue entirely.
Specifically, those who are fully autonomous adults who transition, then detransition and make it their life's purpose to make sure people don't transition because of how "terrible" and "permanent" the effects were. You're really expecting me to believe as an adult, a twenty something or thirty year old, got brainwashed through the internet? (That's the excuse 95% of them come up with) And I'm supposed to feel bad that you chose to get top/bottom surgery, which isn't cheap or a decision you can make entirely on a whim (though some people find a way to) or take hormones of the opposite sex for prolonged periods of time? Pardon my french, but what the fuck do you expect?
You pay taxes and you let people on your screen convince you that you are trans and need hormones and surgery? And you just listen? Then years/months later you change your mind and try to blame the hormones for their permanance? You're a grown ass person just taking prescription medication and you dont know what it does. I don't know, maybe I have too much faith in people to be free thinkers.
Okay, so let's say that even makes remotely any sense, that somehow every outspoken detrans was brainwashed to be trans: No one forced them to actually do anything. They hate hearing that. Like, no one held a gun to your head and forced you to transition in the first place. And the more I hear these thirty year olds talk about it, the more it seems like they just don't want to take responsibility.
The way I see it, it's like: you see people doing drugs on TV, you say "wow I wanna do drugs," you go out of your way to do drugs, you become a drug addict then you blame the TV. Get the fuck outta here.
It isn't surprising now either to see that there's a large overlap between tucutes who went from "gender euphoria, neopronoun, I'm gonna lie to my doctor to get hormones." in their early twenties to "incredibly bitter, trans people are the problem, hormones destroyed me." in their late twenties.
The kicker: Neither had dysphoria until they began hormones, and it was dysphoria over preserving natal sex, not over wanting to transition to the opposite sex. Can't have the best of both worlds.
Anyway, the formatting might be terrible bc I'm on mobile & I'm tired from work so there's probably some grammar errors. But ily if u read this far
Super late but I came across one of this guy's videos at work today and he passes well but my uncanny-tranny radar was set off immediately. Didn't see him wearing a choker but the voice filter present on every video (including social media posts) is very tinny and his ears are too big. Other than causing people to think women actually work in cybersecurity (jooooke, I know they exist), I don't really have any problem with him but yes, LaurieWired is trans.
Today I saw him for the first time. Had some video about RISC-V. Was immediately suspicious because:
1. Women “her” age don’t know jack shit about RISC-V.
2. Unironic Serial Experiments Lain fan
I figured “s”he either managed to transition at the tail end of puberty (that’s going to get more common in the coming years) or it was a cis woman who was reading a script and didn’t actually know about tech. Thanks for clearing it up.
Just a reminder that TheSphereHunter (porno name Sue Lightning) was groomed into the lifestyle by tranny porn star Natalie Mars, and his breast implants were paid for by radio star Anthony Cumia so he could have sex with a little boy while making it slightly less gay. Feed Nana.
Me and my boyfriend have been observing this exceptional individual for a while now due him constantly being shoved in video games we like, and something my boyfriend pointed out to me is how when people that usually ballwash this troon, they praise him in a really weird coddling way, almost like if he got just a bread crumb of criticism he would go ballistic. Jesus Christ, was he right about him.
Anyways, I am surprised that SphereHunter doesn't have his own thread, given he's an unholy fusion of Zoe Quinn, Lilith Lovett and Dylan Mulvaney with weird coomer past and having ties to Anthony Cumia, who allegedly "helped" him get money for one of his troon surgeries.
Daily reminder that women are willing to go along with this because evil rightoid men refuse to sufficiently validate their deep, all-consuming desire to be allowed to kill children.
Daily reminder that Aleister Crowley, the self proclaimed Wickedest Man In The World was pro-life and thought that if welfare was provided to single mothers all abortion would stop, because women don't want to kill kids.
I don't know, maybe I have too much faith in people to be free thinkers.
