Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Given Willoughby is a stone cold predator, and Marianne his hapless dupe, what could this even mean when it comes to playing with your baby? You ask can they read something else, but can they even read the book they are referencing? Of course, it's probably optimistic to put down the reference to ignorant showboating, as the diaper change photo, baby sucking fingers comment, etc, all show. Who was it up thread that said they were moving toward teasing woke pedophilia? Their vibes have been there for awhile.

I keep saying that. They are working on an angle, hoping their audience finds them and makes the first move. This kid is up for sale, or maybe more like rent. They have ample motives and no morals.

 

[monstrous bubo]

Given Willoughby is a stone cold predator, and Marianne his hapless dupe, what could this even mean when it comes to playing with your baby?

Their reading incomprehension is a given. I interpreted it as a highly affected way of saying she is in love with her baby, and Bobby Joe embodies the dashing, charismatic allure of Willoughby, not that he was already impregnating teenagers.

This kid is up for sale, or maybe more like rent.

Jesus, dude. What a bizarre and creepy thing to say. Joe is anti-capitalist. No free markets in Bobby Joe for him. It’s either state distribution or communal sharing.

Anyway, they’re oversexualised layabouts who are all about shocking the bourgeoisie, but they don’t commit to the bit. Hence no surgical alterations beyond Tard Baby’s rejection of her secondary sexual characteristics.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I mean you can get mad at me for saying it, you can laugh if you want, but child abuse victims come from somewhere. Marion ZImmer Bradley's "family" has a lot in common with this one.

 

[monstrous bubo]

I mean you can get mad at me for saying it, you can laugh if you want, but child abuse victims come from somewhere. Marion ZImmer Bradley's "family" has a lot in common with this one.

Look, any free and easy exposure to parents’ sexuality is definitely creepy, and if they keep this up they will fuck up the kid, even if they never lay a hand on him. So far we have the occasional weird shot of Bobby Joe, and their general exhibitionism to go on. We’ve got theories up thread of how Joe is such a rampant narcissist he’ll bolt before Bobby Joe is toilet trained, and now theories of how this is all a sick plan to breed a sex slave to pimp to other degenerates for all eternity. And what’s our evidence? Idiotic posts from three lazy ass clowns desperate for attention.

I’m not some naif who dismisses the possibility of child abuse. It happens, in apparently normal families and in neo-hippy communes like this. The chance is probably greater here than normal, because of the blurring of boundaries. That doesn’t mean we have to stop pointing and laughing when there’s no real proof yet of anything beyond their usual folly.

TL;DR Not mad bro, not mad at all. Just hoping you are very wrong, and not convinced by what we’ve seen so far that you’re right.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

My argument would be that Joe doesn't seem like he has the gumption to be a child abuser. Sad, low energy. Neglect? Obviously, but active abuse? That sounds like the kind of "work" the TERFs at Berkley are trying to abuse him with.

 

[Trianon]

My argument would be that Joe doesn't seem like he has the gumption to be a child abuser. Sad, low energy. Neglect? Obviously, but active abuse? That sounds like the kind of "work" the TERFs at Berkley are trying to abuse him with.

The fuckups will come from Joe et al. pouring all of their edgy values into a child and living vicariously through him and his youth. What we're seeing now is just the cringe inverse of "Oh, look at him, he's going to break so many girls' hearts!" that normies do. That's so gauche in their minds, but they are doing the same thing. He'll be going to drag shows early in the same way normie kids get dressed up like cowboys and pose on tractors. But even the most awkward, sexist, tryhard normie rituals are far more benign than Lavery values, which are basically just "how can we scare the normies today? How can we flaunt the fact that we procreated without living by society's rules, man?"

If he takes any of this to heart, he won't have a very good time as he grows up.

 

[monstrous bubo]

Pour one out homies, NY is losing some vital energy as the polycule leaves today.

Spoiler: Joe’s farewell

Father, mother and Tard Baby!


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Spoiler: Tard Baby’s last shill

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For Joe, there is an additional bittersweet notable event: the Trump conviction.


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A thought experiment: an impoverished pedophile is given mandated community service next to Bobby Joe’s childcare. The pedophile attacks Joe’s child. His few possessions are seized and given to Bobby Joe. He is ordered to undertake community service again. He attacks Bobby Joe again, Under Joe’s proposal:

If 100% of assets is due for the first crime, how is restitution possible for subsequent victims of a serial offender?
The victim of a rich pedophile is awarded more than Bobby Joe for the same crime. Is this just?
Does the nature of restitution change if an aggressor attacks a victim twice?
Is Bobby Joe the only person harmed in this scenario?

And more broadly, is restitution the sole determinant of justice?

Discuss.

 

[Sissyagamben]

I think it’s fair to say that jowl may not *put his dick in his child*, but csa comes in myriad of ways. I heard someone once put it perfectly as being “sexually off.” A parent that’s “sexually off” with the kid is way more common than a straight up child rapist. And we don’t even have to speculate if Jowl is gonna be “sexually off.”

And of course, it would be absolutely a miracle if that kid is not gonna be abused in non-sexual ways. The mind fuckery that’s going to be combined with the sure fire perversion is going to be very bad, considering the child is his same sex. Is it going to go the route of jealousy, competition, and one-uping? Or is it gonna go the route of “check out mommy’s sweet womenly racks?”

Pour one out for bobby.

 

[Trianon]

Father, mother and Tard Baby!


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Yes, Joe, we are the reason you have lived beyond your means. You are not retreating in defeat, you are being purged for your political beliefs. Stay strong, comrade!

I know Mal is probably just saying "I can squeeze in another book event near home," but what if that's the only tour/promo she gets now? Hahaha.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

For Joe, there is an additional bittersweet notable event: the Trump conviction.


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So... slavery or indentured servitude?

Also, I'm pretty sure Joe's position wasn't prison abolition but abolition of all crimes.

Plus, PLUS, I can't believe I almost missed this. Joe is arguing for asset forfeiture, one of the worst and most corrupt systemic actions police do in America, but unbounded from being limited to assets used in the commission of the crime.

 

[Autistic Nonetheless]

For being such a massive, funny looking creep, Joe doesn't give off rapist vibes. Attribute it to years of adaptive camouflage while teaching at uni, or perhaps because of his prolonged asexual transition into the human worm, but to me he just seems more interested in the idea of sex then in actually touching anyone. (Then again he has a kid now so what do i know) Mallory is the sexually frustrated one.

Im sure of one thing, and that's that he gets off on being perceived as conventionally ugly. I think he sees it as a rebuke to all the normies with their hygiene and base aesthetics. No one would choose to look the way he does unless they had either a fetish or a theory to justify it.

Pour one out homies, NY is losing some vital energy as the polycule leaves today.

Im lazy to check but didn't he just write an extended love letter to NYC? And how little mini-joe is going to have such fun growing up there, among its racially diverse inhabitants and whatnot. Anyway time to pack up. Forget looking homeless for clout, we are actually homeless now.

 

[Bookwork]

Mal's frantic NYC apt hunt is even more mysterious given how SOON they were moving to Michigan "for a while." Was she looking for a Room of One's Own where she could conduct a literary life while the breeders decamped for the midwest?

Joe, like a lot of cows, strikes me as someone who tries to make a personality - and then a career - out of making his bleh looks and social awkwardness more extreme. Bwahahah, I'll be so ugly and weird I'll get attention and win fame and fortune by shocking people! And Joe kind of has accomplished that. Kudos, creep.

 

[Treasure Champs]

Pour one out homies, NY is losing some vital energy as the polycule leaves today.

My trolls are partly -not wholly- to blame for this development

Oh dear, was Joe forced to take some dang dirty kiwi farmer's financial advice that there was no reason whatsoever for three people who do not work in New York City to live in New York City, and in fact this is a catastrophically bad financial plan with no appreciable benefits?

Fucking heteronormativity strikes again, as Joe becomes a married homebody raising his kid in a house in the Midwest (with minor unusual accessories).

 

[Cryin RN]

For being such a massive, funny looking creep, Joe doesn't give off rapist vibes. Attribute it to years of adaptive camouflage while teaching at uni, or perhaps because of his prolonged asexual transition into the human worm, but to me he just seems more interested in the idea of sex then in actually touching anyone. (Then again he has a kid now so what do i know) Mallory is the sexually frustrated one.

Yeah it's possible to be an enormous sex pest but not be a pedo. He's fairly self-obsessed and has previously chosen partners that make him look better. He can't flex on child molestation skills in the professor's lounge at Berkley. He can flex on his lesbian polycule where one of them isn't even fat.

 

[Savoie]

Oh dear, was Joe forced to take some dang dirty kiwi farmer's financial advice that there was no reason whatsoever for three people who do not work in New York City to live in New York City, and in fact this is a catastrophically bad financial plan with no appreciable benefits?

Fucking heteronormativity strikes again, as Joe becomes a married homebody raising his kid in a house in the Midwest (with minor unusual accessories).

I like to imagine that they actually read my financial breakdown and freaked. I can dream, can't I?

Also I feel like Mal's brief NYC apartment hunt was prompted by pressure from the rest of the polycule to find a way to stay in the city, before they had to bow to both financial reality AND the biological/legal reality of Lily ultimately being the one who can take Rocco anywhere she wants.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

For being such a massive, funny looking creep, Joe doesn't give off rapist vibes. Attribute it to years of adaptive camouflage while teaching at uni, or perhaps because of his prolonged asexual transition into the human worm, but to me he just seems more interested in the idea of sex then in actually touching anyone. (Then again he has a kid now so what do i know) Mallory is the sexually frustrated one.

Im sure of one thing, and that's that he gets off on being perceived as conventionally ugly. I think he sees it as a rebuke to all the normies with their hygiene and base aesthetics. No one would choose to look the way he does unless they had either a fetish or a theory to justify it.

From him being bullied a lot at school I think he created a fantasy future self where he was kind of effeminate and ugly but still got to fuck constantly because of his famous intellect / personality, and he's playing that out now. So yeah I think being ugly is part of it.

I always forget that he's from the UK but the UK being more flexible with how our celebrities, particularly the male ones, look mean that there are a bunch of celebrities like this for him to model himself off of. Van Morrison, Shane McGowan, Pete Doherty, usually rockstar types but we also have Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen who is not bad looking but primarily gets attention as a mums' sex symbol for being a flamboyant goth pirate. Salman Rushdie as a literary version. I've posted about Grayson Perry in the Finnster thread too, he's an artist, Andrew Graham Dixon is an art historian who's having a moment right now. They're all very edgy and less masculine but still sexy (to some people) going all the way to straight playing gay. David Walliams even. Honestly it's very british.

It just seems a bit lacklustre in practice because sex can be fun, but sex is really worthwhile when you share it with someone important to you and he's bad at developing genuine connections with people. The appearance of having multiple women want to fuck him is more important. During actual sex he resorts to eroticising degradation towards Mallory instead, it's been commented here loads of times that he seems to actually hate her. She is not the fantasy future he was supposed to get to make up for the past.

Paedophilia is also not usually in-born but a developed response to perceived sexual inferiority so it could still happen, I just really want them to be edgy shitheads with no sense of what's appropriate.

 

[Autistic Nonetheless]

it's been commented here loads of times that he seems to actually hate her

I feel awful for her and that says a lot considering how unlikable she is.

I used to be on discord with a guy (so god knows if this is true or not) who was groomed by a wealthy older man who paid for all his surgeries, only because he was sexually attracted to the idea of ruining someone. He then dropped him overnight when the guy started passing. Considering Lily is now in the picture i cant imagine this ending well. Spoiled beauty has a dimension of its own but the attraction lies in the act of spoiling. That's over and done with. She is worse then useless to him. This ugly thing that follows him around and occasionally makes a fool of itself online. ugh...

And while i dont think he is that much of a monster to do any of this consciously (and also that he cant drop her too publicly as she can still whip up a hell of an e storm ) it does seem to be where the relationship is heading.

God knows she is more of a masochist then he is a sadist but it is a horrible, and typically queer, mess.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Mal's frantic NYC apt hunt is even more mysterious given how SOON they were moving to Michigan "for a while." Was she looking for a Room of One's Own where she could conduct a literary life while the breeders decamped for the midwest?

I think they were woefully unprepared for a baby outside of the womb. They quickly realized their 2 bedroom 4th floor walk up apartment was very inadequate for their needs and had become too expensive. If they had any real adults, or fellow parents, in their lives I’m sure it was pointed out well before the baby’s arrival but I don’t think they had anyone but random gay and agender acquaintances. The baby shower attendees told the tale of their glittering NYC social life.

They are flying by the seat of their pants now. Mallory might have been trying to find some way she could stay in NYC, but the parents panicked at the thought of not having a live-in baby sitter at the ready. Someone is going to have to care for the baby while Joe and Lilly work. I get the idea Joe is hanging on to his job at Berkeley by a thread and they would prefer he’s in-person as little as possible. I’m sure Mallory was love bombed with reminders she’s Rocco’s daddy! He needs you!!!

It’s sort of funny to imagine Lilly now. She dumped her partner and took off to NYC for a glam fanfic life with a trans-scholar and now two years later she comes rolling back into Ann Arbor one evening in a mini-van with tard baby, a fat hag looking thing in a dress plus an actual baby in tow. It would appear things went very poorly on her grand NYC adventure. I do find it hilarious they are now all moving back to MI with her. She’s truly reaping her reward.

The NY power trouple utterly defeated within three months of the baby’s birth and fleeing NYC. NY Mag really should do a follow-up. The first was good for a lot of laughs at these delusional idiots, a second installment would be even better.

 

[Chickenpolar]

Pour one out homies, NY is losing some vital energy as the polycule leaves today.

51 50 days fter the "The Brooklyn Power Throuple Making Space for a Baby" puff piece.

Edit: announced yesterday so it's 50 days, not 51

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Come and listen to my story
'Bout a man named Joe
A perv Berkeley prof,
Masturbating to Foucault.
And then one day
He was tweetin' at some cooze,
Then into the flat moved his lesbian muse

Lilz, that is. Hair gold, bourgeoisie.

Well the next thing you know
covid's filling up the air
The queer folk said "Joe move away from there".
They said "Hipster Brooklyn is the place you wanna be".
So the threesome packed it up
And became the Laverys.

Throuple, that is, Carroll Gardens, doggy parks.

Well now it's time to say goodbye
To Joe and all his kin,
Now they're on their way
to move to Lansing, Michigan
You're all invited back again to this locality
To watch them insecurely mock provinciality

Heteronormativity, that is. Take some T, cut your tits off.

Y'all come back now, y'hear?