2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

A Spanish newspaper reports that after recognizing Palestine and accusing Israel of genocide, the Spanish foreign ministry is now asking ministers to refrain from accusing Israel of genocide because this will enable every single Gazan to apply for immediate asylum in Spain:
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An error of incalculable consequences. This is how the government of Pedro Sánchez have directly pointed to Israel as the author of a «genocide». Accusation that has come out of the mouth of both Sumar ministers and the PSOE, and that this week has tried to minimize the head of Foreign Affairs, José Manuel Albares, ensuring that it is «personal opinions» that in no case are they an official feeling. Foreign ministers have asked, internally, to stop using that term of « genocide »: it opens the door for Palestinians residing in Gaza, and there are around two million in the entire Strip, you can appear at a Spanish embassy or consulate to request asylum. And a sentence of Supreme Court obliges the Foreign, in those cases, to put the applicant for protection on a plane to Spain.

« What is happening in Gaza it is a true genocide ». That was what the Defense Minister recently pointed out, Margarita Robles, when asked about the crisis between Spain and Israel and the recognition of Palestine. Statements that sparked a new diplomatic clash with Tel Aviv and fueled the positions of Sumar's partners, whose ministers had already spoken out in those - or worst- terms.

However, just two days later, Exteriors redirected the official version of what is happening in Gaza. Albares, after the Council of Ministers and the same day that Spain officially recognized Palestine, assured that Robles' words reflected one «personal opinion» not necessarily shared by the Government. As OKDIARIO has learned, that public statement had been preceded by a private notice to ministers not to use the genocide term. Not out of respect for Israel, since it is a very serious accusation, but because of the legal consequences that this qualification may have for Spain.

If Spain officially considers that the systematic elimination or extermination of a human group on the grounds of race, religion or nationality is taking place in Gaza, then by definition, anyone who lives in Gaza or has managed to get out of there can appear at the Spanish embassy or consulate in Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon or any other country and urgently apply for asylum. And you must be attended to.

This situation was already recognized in the 2009 Asylum Law, but it was never applied due to the legal gaps it raised, as diplomatic sources explain to OKDIARIO. However, everything changed with judgment 1327/2020 of the Supreme Court that in 2020 he recognized the right of asylum to an Iraqi family. In 2016 they had crossed the Mediterranean to Greece, and there they asked for asylum at the Spanish embassy, but they were not even processed. They were considered safe in Greece.

The Spanish Justice, in its ruling, not only recognized the right for the ambassador to respond personally to these requests for international protection, but in the event that it is proven that « his physical integrity is at risk », the Government is obliged to put a plane to Spain to finish the rest of the process here. That is, first save, then assess whether there are reasons for asylum.

In this process, however, the physical integrity risk assessment phase declared by the asylum seeker remains essential. In the case of Gaza, these sources explain, « it would not be difficult to prove that someone is fleeing an extermination, when even the Government itself considers it so ». The success of the petition, they say, would be assured.

Outsiders already know what pro-Palestinian associations are preparing to facilitate such asylum processes for Palestinians

The same sources point out that Foreign You already know what non-governmental organizations and pro-Palestinian associations are preparing to facilitate this type of asylum process for Palestinians. In fact, it was UNHCR who handled that 2016 asylum petition that led to the Supreme Court's ruling. If generalized, they say, they could lead to a barrage of asylum claims. About two million inhabitants live in the Gaza Strip.

It should be remembered that the widespread international position on what is happening in Gaza rules out that it is a genocide. By race, ethnicity, or religion, by definition, it is impossible: 20% of the population of the State of Israel is of Palestinian origin. Neither by nationality: military operations take place only in Gaza and do not affect the West Bank. Therefore, the criterion of extermination « systematic » would not be met in any case.

The controversies between the Spanish and Israeli governments do not stop. One of the last ones occurred just a week ago, during the Armed Forces Day in Spain. At the event held in Oviedo, the Spanish Minister of Defense, Margarita Robles, affirmed that what is happening in the Gaza Strip « is a true genocide ».

« Spain is always very supportive of what is happening in the world, we cannot forget that in Ukraine people are dying, it is being a tremendous war, nor dispense with what is happening in Gaza, which is a true genocide », Robles said in statements to RTVE.

This is the first time that a socialist member of the Government uses the term «genocide» to refer to the war in Israel. And that has caused Israel's reproach again. The Israeli Embassy in Spain has criticized that the minister « has endorsed the false and unfounded account of the terrorist organization Hamas».
 
Jerusalem want even important in Islam until roughly 800-900 AD.... Hundreds of years after Muhammed.

All because one Caliphate built a mosque in it and now it's within spitting distance of Mecca and Medina in the eyes of 99% of Muslims in terms of importance.....

Muslims believe that Muhammad flew to Jerusalem one night riding a winged horse with a human face.
Reminder of the historical record: After the Romans took Judea they destroyed the Jewish temple, and turned it into a trash dump, Muhammad supposedly prayed at a building that didn't exist, and would have been in the middle of that Roman trash dump.

TL ; DR Muslims are tard raging over something that couldn't have happened in Israel, even with a heavenly beast transport.
 
Why would Israel accept this deal? The only thing they're getting out of it is the hostages' return, which is what they've been demanding until now anyway.

There's nothing new in this deal. It's just an attempt by the Biden administration to look like they're doing something.
I thought it over and came to the conclusion that if Israel accept it, they would be operating on the assumption that Hamas would violate the agreement and Israel can resume the war. Israel would accept because it is good optics and because they might get hostages freed before the inevitable Arab chimp out.
 
I thought it over and came to the conclusion that if Israel accept it, they would be operating on the assumption that Hamas would violate the agreement and Israel can resume the war. Israel would accept because it is good optics and because they might get hostages freed before the inevitable Arab chimp out.
Israel has utilized that tactic in the past to expand their borders, but this is not just war for a petty land grab. Oct. 7 proved that the lives of Israeli citizens are at stake, and the citizens would never accept a ceasefire now, especially not with these shitty terms where Hamas receives unlimited aid and prisoners while Israel gets a pile of corpses. Israel wants their pound of flesh, and returning to the status quo isn't going to cut it.
Not to mention that Bibi has nothing to lose by prolonging the war. His political career is pretty much over at this point. Accepting this shitty peace deal would cement him in the history books as a bigger loser then he already is.
 
Not to mention that Bibi has nothing to lose by prolonging the war. His political career is pretty much over at this point. Accepting this shitty peace deal would cement him in the history books as a bigger loser then he already is.
i guess his only hope now is to achieve a decisive victory, so he can go down in history as the man who crushed hamas once and for all and brought gaza to heel for good
otherwise he'll just be remembered as the guy who allowed the worst attack on israel in recent history to happen during his watch
 
i guess his only hope now is to achieve a decisive victory, so he can go down in history as the man who crushed hamas once and for all and brought gaza to heel for good
otherwise he'll just be remembered as the guy who allowed the worst attack on israel in recent history to happen during his watch
It depends on his priority. If his goal is to save his skin, he will prolong the war indefinitely. If his goal is to crush Hamas, he will try to end the war decisively and not try to keep it going as long as possible. Neither option involves a ceasefire though.
 
It depends on his priority. If his goal is to save his skin, he will prolong the war indefinitely. If his goal is to crush Hamas, he will try to end the war decisively and not try to keep it going as long as possible. Neither option involves a ceasefire though.
It's also in his (and Israel's) best interest to keep the war running at least through the American election, seeing how desperately Biden is trying to court the anti-Semite vote.
 
Hamas has released a video featuring the voice of Israeli hostage Noa Argamani. The video features drawings that Noa's family believes she made during her captivity.

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And yet again, 0 tangible evidence that this isn’t pre-recorded, but it’s somehow being eaten up by pro-ceasefire tards as “proof of life.”
No, they couldn’t have possibly made her read out a script that mentions being a captive for “more than 237 days”! You really think someone would do that, go on the internet and tell lies?!

This is so fucking pathetic. Remember when Israel released a thousand prisoners for a single soldier, and one of them turned out to be a key player behind October 7th? I sure hope people will remember who advocated for this totally fair deal to release even more terrorists, when it inevitably results in another one of them re-offending.
 
And yet again, 0 tangible evidence that this isn’t pre-recorded, but it’s somehow being eaten up by pro-ceasefire tards as “proof of life.”
No, they couldn’t have possibly made her read out a script that mentions being a captive for “more than 237 days”! You really think someone would do that, go on the internet and tell lies?!

This is so fucking pathetic. Remember when Israel released a thousand prisoners for a single soldier, and one of them turned out to be a key player behind October 7th? I sure hope people will remember who advocated for this totally fair deal to release even more terrorists, when it inevitably results in another one of them re-offending.
You'd be surprised how how mind bendingly retarded some Israeli leftists are.

They're the ones calling for an indefinite ceasefire and releasing EVERY SINGLE Palestinian in Israeli prisons for probably less than 100 living hostages and corpses.....

They're also the ones simping for jihadi lovers in the West Bank even as those same people drag them from their cars and beat them as they come to give support and legal counsel (lol).
 
You'd be surprised how how mind bendingly retarded some Israeli leftists are.
Oh, trust me, I’m unfortunately all too familiar.
American ultra lib “chickens for KFC” type are delusional, but at least their activism only goes as far as adding a watermelon to their handle and enjoying the shitshow from the comfort of their own home. Israeli ultra libs are a case study on Darwinism.
 
The terminally online Jew-sperging narrative insists that Israel is a brutal ethnostate with a monolithic bloodlust for the goyim.

Meanwhile, you have actual Israelis with suicidal altruism, who think Islam is a religion of peace, who tried to help Palestinians in various ways (and were generously repaid on Oct 7), who embrace all the progressive shit Jews supposedly only want to push for the goyim, and so on.

You will never see a Muslim version of "Chickens for KFC" though, even though they have 2 billion to pull from. Funny how that works.
 
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