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I have lived in apartments that are about two parking spaces wide. All you get is a bed, dresser, and a bathroom so small that you can shower while you shit. The apartment depicted is a lot like the one I live in now and it wouldn't be considered "low income" where I am at (and I dont even have a full range stove/oven) and it certainly isn't the size of 2 parking spaces it is closer to 8 at least.

Also a bathtub? Shame on r/fuckcars for promoting the wasting of fresh water.
 
I also love the implication that if you aren't building house or commercial that it's all a waste of money even though parking is what will allow people to visit these places and those who live there will appreciate the parking. Most places who make it as inconvenient as possible to visit/live in a location shouldn't be surprised when no one wants to visit when you make it so difficult to either visit or live there.
 
I also love the implication that if you aren't building house or commercial that it's all a waste of money even though parking is what will allow people to visit these places and those who live there will appreciate the parking. Most places who make it as inconvenient as possible to visit/live in a location shouldn't be surprised when no one wants to visit when you make it so difficult to either visit or live there.
This might be a weird sperg tangent, but I think this idea stems ultimately from Georgism. Georgists argue that all land should be taxed, therefore productivity will go up as landowners seek to make all land "productive" by making it render some monetary value. Therefore, under Georgist thought, land that isn't directly making money is "unproductive" and thus bad.

Even if the original economic ideas aren't being applied, this general idea of "unproductive" uses of space seems to have taken root in urbanism.
 
This might be a weird sperg tangent, but I think this idea stems ultimately from Georgism.
Not a tangent at all, Georgism has been discussed in this thread previously:
Unfortunately, that is a common thing that these types believe; if you ever hear them talk about Land-Value Taxes or Georgism, what they're actually talking about is an ideology that tries to justify stealing other people's land because you don't like how they're using it.
 
Redditors once again don't realize that subscriber numbers don't mean anything. There are no "half million" people on their shitty sub. No one with a functioning brain would think that you can have that many legit subscribers and have less than 0.1% of that online at one time.
Makes me wonder what the future of this movement even is. It's not exactly like at it's peak it was mainstream as other leftist movements, it was it's own niche because it didn't have anything to do with race grifiting (though they tried) at it's height. My prediction is it will slowly die out as the bulk move on to the next hip trend and slowly forget about all this. Don't think just get outraged and then get outraged at next thing.

This might be a weird sperg tangent, but I think this idea stems ultimately from Georgism. Georgists argue that all land should be taxed, therefore productivity will go up as landowners seek to make all land "productive" by making it render some monetary value. Therefore, under Georgist thought, land that isn't directly making money is "unproductive" and thus bad.

Even if the original economic ideas aren't being applied, this general idea of "unproductive" uses of space seems to have taken root in urbanism.
Which is hilarious because they were also the ones who tried to defend public transport by trying to argue that just because it doesn't generate value to pay for itself (and instead loses money) doesn't determine it's value. That's just "capitalist propaganda".
 
Not a tangent at all, Georgism has been discussed in this thread previously:
Probably where I got the idea from then. It's weird to think that so many urbanists are socialists or communists, and thus believe in the labor theory of value, while simultaneously ascribing real value onto land with ideas that inherently involve or promote a form of capitalistic profiteering.

I know the root of this is that they're retards with little to no understanding of the economic or theoretical concepts they propose, but you'd think the conflict would kick at least a few of them into introspection.

Which is hilarious because they were also the ones who tried to defend public transport by trying to argue that just because it doesn't generate value to pay for itself (and instead loses money) doesn't determine it's value. That's just "capitalist propaganda".
Urbanist politics are so removed from genuine understanding and consistency that it's truly baffling. Even committed Marxists at least had a semi-coherent, albeit objectively incorrect, worldview. Urbanists just can't parse anuthing beyond "cars bad "
 
Which is hilarious because they were also the ones who tried to defend public transport by trying to argue that just because it doesn't generate value to pay for itself (and instead loses money) doesn't determine it's value. That's just "capitalist propaganda".
Makes me wonder what if applied logic that we shouldn't build emergency services and utility services buildings because they don't generate value. What would the response be then even if they were built on beyond valuable and precious land that could fit more stores and apartments.
 
A lot of urbanists living in suburban cities never leave their neighborhood (or parents' basement) and therefore don't appreciate what their city has to offer. They believe that if they move to Amsterdam or New York, they'll magically find all sorts of cool things to do just by existing. That doesn't happen and they end up cooped up in their apartments all day and ordering delivery. They're not magically going to start looking up things to do in a new city when they refused to do so in their old city. Cities aren't boring, people can be boring, and urbanists are usually very boring people.

Having lived in urban areas a few times in my life and being an introvert myself I have noticed a few things:

- The limiting factor is usually money in any and all cases. Once you have money there's a lot more options open to you and what you want to do.
- There's not much in an urban area that's unavailable in a smaller area. I do miss IKEA, Trader Joe's, and a few other stores, but those trips were relatively infrequent anyway. 90% of your day-to-day activities can be fulfilled anywhere.
- There's only a finite supply of "good" (i.e. rich) neighborhoods. Even if you have a bit of money enough to be debt-free and afford nicer things the "good" neighborhoods are effectively locked out.
- The middle class doesn't really exist in cities. The equivalent is a moderately safe and inexpensive but run-down part of town.
- Nothing, save for a grocery store and a decent pizza place, will be particularly close.
- The novelty of mass transit wears off quickly, especially if you have to use it on a frequent basis.
- If you want to remain sane, you have to find a social group and that means outings. That is blisteringly hard to do when you're an introvert. I suspect that most of /r/fuckcars are introverts.
- Yes, you can exist in any city using mass transit, ride sharing, and bumming off friends who own cars but your existence will be improved with a vehicle. No, it won't save money when you account for tickets, ridesharing, delivery, and time cost. (There's also no reward in choosing to be a poorfag).

I have lived in apartments that are about two parking spaces wide. All you get is a bed, dresser, and a bathroom so small that you can shower while you shit. The apartment depicted is a lot like the one I live in now and it wouldn't be considered "low income" where I am at (and I dont even have a full range stove/oven) and it certainly isn't the size of 2 parking spaces it is closer to 8 at least.

Also a bathtub? Shame on r/fuckcars for promoting the wasting of fresh water.

Yup. It made me think of a motel I was somewhat familiar with--passed it by every time I went to Houston. It was a Studio 6 (extended stay Motel 6) and was converted to apartments. You can compare the photos of it as a motel to the photos of it as an apartment complex and notice that some of the fixtures (particularly the cabinets) weren't touched.

These apartments are not especially cheap nor are in a "walkable" location (it is, however, located directly off a freeway). It was clearly done on the cheap and I guarantee you that most of the infrastructure is still from thirty years old from its original construction.

However, it is done on the cheap. That can't be said for trying to develop a bughive on parking lot spaces because all of the permits and whatnot required. Studio 6 already had electricity, water, and sewage connections. A new building does not.

In the case of Kowloon Walled City that was designed with ZERO permits and ZERO code whatsoever and its a goddamned miracle there wasn't a major disaster there. One bad fire, one structural failure, and you're looking at an easy 1,000+ death toll.
 
- There's not much in an urban area that's unavailable in a smaller area. I do miss IKEA, Trader Joe's, and a few other stores, but those trips were relatively infrequent anyway. 90% of your day-to-day activities can be fulfilled anywhere.
By the power of friendship, I drive down to the store with orders and money from my neighbors, park, load it up, and keep the good stuff for my neighbors.

This might be a weird sperg tangent, but I think this idea stems ultimately from Georgism. Georgists argue that all land should be taxed, therefore productivity will go up as landowners seek to make all land "productive" by making it render some monetary value. Therefore, under Georgist thought, land that isn't directly making money is "unproductive" and thus bad.
Land that goes to tax authorities is land wasted. They don't make money, they take money!
 
True, true, but Urbanists perceive "increasing tax revenues" as an ontological good in and of itself.
I know, let's attract a lot of rich people with cars by building houses and commercial areas with parking and easy access to the highway! I see no issues with-

Which is hilarious because they were also the ones who tried to defend public transport by trying to argue that just because it doesn't generate value to pay for itself (and instead loses money) doesn't determine it's value. That's just "capitalist propaganda".
CAPITALISTS REEEEEEEEE
 
I'm amused every time they mention planes.

I wonder if they've ever gone to their bike shop only to be told "We don't have that in stock, but we can get it tomorrow." and then they said "Sure".

I'll give them a hint, it didn't come in on a train.

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And I know they don't care about any city with less than 1 million people, but many places without passenger service still have freight.

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Ameriflight is one of the feeder companies for UPS.

Today the smaller feeders fly out of the local 'big' airport and do multi-stop trips around the area dropping off packages. Then they typically stop at the aircraft's home base and then a few hours later reverse their journey to pick up outgoing stuff.

Fun fact: Before next day shipping was popular the feeder freight carriers had another primary purpose. They'd pick up checks from each small town and bring them to the bank processing center in the big cities.

I almost forgot, this is a check:
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Gosh I love the DC10/MD11. There's something about that trijet design that makes it unforgettable. It's probably the fact engine 2 actually sits in the vertical stabilizer instead of being fused to the fuselage like in the 727 and L1011.
 
Even if the original economic ideas aren't being applied, this general idea of "unproductive" uses of space seems to have taken root in urbanism.
How do they define what "productive" is anyway? If it is tax generation then parking spots still generate taxes via property taxes and they help generate sale taxes by allowing customers to shop without worrying about not being able to physically carry everything home (leading to more sales) or needing to arrive or leave at a certain time due to bus time tables (meaning more customers). Even then you can always charge a small fee for parking so they are generating money directly that can be taxed too!
 
A lot of them have this weird Disney version of history where they ignore all the failures and pretend it's all just magic, it's quite well documented that most Railways in the Anglo-sphere started as private but basically collapsed, bought up either by Governments or Competitors that were lucky/corrupt and got on that Gov tax money teat early, getting special privilege's because of the whole 'public good' they brought by improving the economy through easier movement of goods and people.

It's why I have such derision for them, if you even have a minor understanding you should easily be able to understand that you need a mix of transport types and when you go too far one way or another the solution should be to try to improve the others, because then everything improves, rather than tote out retarded shit like 'road diets' or banning cars as a default option.

Even NJB pointed out that Amsterdam got it's bike network by adding bike infra to standard road designs, not by randomly banning cars or tearing up streets randomly.

Road Guy Robs latest video once again shows how retarded most of those urbanists are, as it's about how a town was convinced not by screeching, but by showing a working model and getting things right so they have something people end up wanting(roundabouts) and how it made the place safer.
 
How do they define what "productive" is anyway? If it is tax generation then parking spots still generate taxes via property taxes and they help generate sale taxes by allowing customers to shop without worrying about not being able to physically carry everything home (leading to more sales) or needing to arrive or leave at a certain time due to bus time tables (meaning more customers). Even then you can always charge a small fee for parking so they are generating money directly that can be taxed too!
Parking definitely produces value and I'd argue somewhat more consistently than if they were to lease them out to the homeless. At least having one of those pay for parking places will be a guaranteed stream of income rather than trying to constantly hunt down delinquent debtors late on their bughive rent. Even if you were to house all of the homeless in a place like Seattle in one of these proposed flop houses it wouldn't necessarily turn them "productive" overnight. Their idea isn't too far removed from Chris Chan's "soup hotel" idea tbh.

It's the same sort of disconnected optimistic view they have when arguing for things like mass immigration or refugees from third world countries thinking it will increase the GDP. "Surely they're all going to become doctors and engineers and contribute in a meaningful way".

Urbanist politics are so removed from genuine understanding and consistency that it's truly baffling. Even committed Marxists at least had a semi-coherent, albeit objectively incorrect, worldview. Urbanists just can't parse anuthing beyond "cars bad "
Similar to how they suddenly start caring about GDP if it helps one of their arguments. They see the number like some sort of high score meter that indicates how good their idea is, when the calculation of things like raw GDP without any context are meaningless anyway.
 
How's everyone liking their Ferraris?
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/r/fuckcars discovers plane-centric communities and is outraged:
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These neighborhoods aren't much louder than a normal suburban neighborhood because the only people flying are the residents and (rarely) their guests.
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/r/fuckplanes:
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Muh High Speed Rail:
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Some tries to tell them that air travel is good because it's public transport:
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There's no TSA at private airstrips:
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Air travel is extremely efficient though, a transatlantic flight is equivalent to several hundred people riding on 50cc mopeds that get 100mpg
 
An urbanist web channel showed up in my YouTube Shorts I idly browse on sometimes, called Streetcraft. From the few I've seen it's not that bad, really. There was one on the differences between Clearview and Highway Gothic, and a few on repairing intersections, like one in Baton Rouge, Louisiana with a roundabout (it's not that the design is inherently bad but roundabouts don't really work with higher traffic counts because it basically becomes a four-way stop). Of course he shills for induced demand and other stuff. Don't want to watch too much because YouTube is already getting the idea I should be watching Strong Towns as well.
 
/r/fuckcars member is a literal schitzo:
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