Defying science, American parents are turning away from male circumcision - “Our risk-benefit analysis showed that benefits exceeded procedural risks… by up to 200 to 1.”

Defying science, American parents are turning away from male circumcision

“Our risk-benefit analysis showed that benefits exceeded procedural risks… by up to 200 to 1.”

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My wife and I are currently expecting our first child in late October, a boy, and we recently started discussing whether or not to circumcise. For those unaware, circumcision is the surgical removal of the foreskin covering the tip of the penis. I entered the discussion in favor, but with no strong feelings either way. However, after researching the scientific literature and expert opinion, I came out firmly for the procedure, and frankly somewhat frustrated at the recent trend against it.

It’s not hip to nip the tip​

Circumcision has become an increasingly fraught topic over the past few decades, as new American parents have grown uncomfortable with the idea of severing a piece of their child’s body, minor though it may be. This is understandable from an ethical perspective: A newborn baby cannot consent to such an unalterable act. Anti-circumcision advocates argue that it is better to forgo the procedure in infancy and allow the child to make his own decision later on. As a result of this intuitive reasoning, rates of circumcision have fallen from about 85% in 1965 to roughly 58% in 2010, the latest year for which solid data is available.

Parents, however, also have the responsibility to do what’s best for their child, even if that decision causes personal discomfort. And the evidence for the health benefits of circumcision, accumulated over decades of research, is overwhelming.

Firm evidence in favor of circumcision​

“Our risk-benefit analysis showed that benefits exceeded procedural risks, which are predominantly minor, by up to 200 to 1,” an international team of researchers reported in a 2017 systematic review of 140 studies conducted in the prior decade.

The myriad benefits include:
  • A large reduction in urinary tract infections, which affect 1 in 12 circumcised males over their lifetime compared to 1 in 3 uncircumcised males.
  • A large reduction in balantis — a painful, itchy, and potentially disfiguring swelling of the head of the penis — typically caused by fungal infection. The lifetime rate is 12% for uncircumcised men vs. 2% for circumcised men.
  • A 15% to 50% lower risk of prostate cancer. Prostate cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in U.S. men, killing 34,500 every year.
  • An up to 70% lower rate of contracting HIV. (Though this was derived from studies conducted in Africa. The reduction in the U.S. is probably lower, potentially just 16%.)
  • A 50% lower risk of contracting genital human papillomavirus.
  • A greatly reduced risk of penile cancer (even though it is rare). The lifetime risk is approximately 1 in 1,000 for an uncircumcised man vs. 1 in 50,000 to 1 in 12,000,000 for a circumcised man.
  • A reduced risk of giving female sex partners bacterial vaginal infections and sexually transmitted infections.
The moist, warm environment under the foreskin is a hub for fungal and bacterial growth. Proper penis hygiene can be a challenge for uncircumcised males.

In 2012, public health researchers at Johns Hopkins University tallied the national costs of falling circumcision rates in the United States.

“If U.S. male circumcision rates among men born in the same year dropped to European rates (~10%), there would be an expected 12 percent increase in men infected with HIV (or 4,843); 29 percent more men infected with human papillomavirus (57,124); a 19 percent increase in men infected with herpes simplex virus (124,767); and a 211 percent jump in the number of infant male urinary tract infections (26,876). Among their female sex partners, there would be 50 percent more cases each of bacterial vaginosis (538,865) and trichomoniasis (64,585). The number of new infections with the high-risk form of human papillomavirus, which is closely linked to cervical cancer in women, would increase by 18 percent (33,148 more infections).”

Flaccid objections​

Critics contend that male circumcision reduces sexual pleasure later in life, leading to regret, that it causes harm and frequently results in adverse outcomes, and that it can easily be performed later in life at the son’s own choice. Accumulated evidence counters all these objections.

High quality studies show no difference in sexual function and potentially increased penile sensitivity after circumcision. A survey of circumcised and uncircumcised men published earlier this year found no differences between the groups in feelings of regret about their circumcision status or sexual satisfaction. Adverse events occur in about 0.4% of infant circumcision procedures, almost all of them minor with no long-term complications. Surgical providers in the U.S. now commonly utilize analgesia to numb any pain during the process.

Lastly, as Australian scientists wrote in 2019, compared to circumcision later in life, infant circumcision is “simpler, quicker, less expensive, with lower risk of complications, healing is faster, and the scar can be almost invisible.” They added, “There are substantial barriers to later circumcision. These barriers include the decision process, peer pressure, affordability, slower healing, pain during nocturnal erections, the need to abstain from sexual activity for ∼6 weeks, and a visible scar afterwards.” The simple fact is that the overwhelming majority of uncircumcised males do not choose to get circumcised later, even if it’s to their benefit, because the procedure is much more onerous, risky, and expensive.

As Missouri urologists Elizabeth A. Piontek, MD and Justin M. Albani, MD wrote in 2019, “Parents make countless decisions on their children’s behalf daily to keep them healthy and safe, and this routinely includes procedures as well. Clearly, circumcision and its medical benefits fall within this same scope.”

Parents are, of course, free to make their own decisions in regard to their young children. The American Academy of Pediatrics said as much in their latest position statement on circumcision, noting that the benefits do outweigh the risks, but ultimately parents should make the choice. However, the simple fact is that if parents choose not to circumcise, they are denying their sons clear medical benefits that will improve their health and the health of their future partners.
 
The story I heard was that it started because some quack thought it would help to prevent masturbation. There was also a female version supposedly that didn’t catch on, that involved applying acid to the clitoris.
The quack was Seventh Day Adventist. That guy also believed mustard and black pepper caused masturbation and loved shoving yogurt up people's ass.
 
Doctors would suggest it too. Insurance used to cover the procedure but they stopped at some point b/c it's an added expense and it's completely unnecessary. That's why my parents didn't go for it. They're notoriously cheap. Though if insurance still paid and the pediatrician suggested it, I think they would have considered it. I think it's just another fee that they can squeeze out of new parents, which is pretty pathetic if that's the only reason they're still recommending it.
I recently saw a woman complaining online about doctors pressuring new parents into circumcision, because, in the immediate aftermath of birth, the parents (especially the mother) are in a really bad state for making any big decisions. And I bet doctors are counting on that.
Why are they framing up circumcision this way, and why now? Where are they going with this?
The Science still works on libs; I'm sure this article is intended for them.
 
An up to 70% lower rate of contracting HIV.
This stat seems totally made up to me, but maybe not, I didn't read the study.

What I will say is that I think circumcision probably increases the chances of getting STD's later in life, because after about 35-40 condoms become untenable due to loss of sensation.
If I was a single man, I wouldn't bother "dating", because if I have to wear a condom I might as well be wearing a gumboot on my dick.
I have asked some uncircumcised friends about this, and none of them have an issue, but lots of my circumcised friends agree with me.

And if you're over 40 and banging party girls, you're probably the hundredth notch on their bedpost.
 
I mean if you're looking at what can increase risk of cancer, any cancer, that's any number of things. And I think your STD risk has more to do with your sexual practices and how promiscuous you are than anything. Even retards know that. My guess is they're noticing a trend in less and less parents choosing to cut up their babies for no fucking reason and are panicking because the unnecessary procedure means more money for hospitals.

(Also, weird to say people are "too" invested in not wanting babies to have parts of them cut off immediately after birth. You have what you have now but bringing up all the downsides isn't being weird. The fact you have to CUT IT OFF a NEWBORN should probably be all the reasons necessary to be against it but ya know...Kellogg's propaganda worked and is still working I guess...)
 
Based elephant trunks.

Got to keep my tip because my parents heard the kid before get clipped. Must have screamed like bloody murder because it caused them to change their mind.

Seriously barbaric practice that needs to end.
They can't use effective anesthetic because it would be too risky for the poor little boy. The baby feels every bit of that pain. They strap him down onto a tray so he can't move, slice up one of the most sensitive parts of his body, making him feel every ounce of the brutal torture they're inflicting on him. The wound is then prone to serious infection. He may not even remember it, but it's one of the most traumatic things a little boy will ever experience. And that's not to mention all the botched mutilations, such as the infamous case of poor David Reimer.

In any sane society, this would be understood to be the brutal inhumane torture that it is. But of course, it's just boys, and nobody cares about boys getting hurt.

Yeah, it was Kellogg. He was a big fan of the pastor named Sylvester Graham, who also had some weird ideas about sex. He believed using spices to make your food more flavorful also made you horny.
I'm very glad to know his legacy has been absolutely shredded by adding sugar to all the cereal with his name on it.

Do you really need to be told to pull your foreskin back to wash? Any sort of penis washing will naturally do it. You have to soap it up so your hand is going to move up and down it (steady ladies) naturally retracting the foreskin. Until I heard the cleanliness argument in my 20s I never even thought about washing under there was some specific thing you had to do because natural penis cleaning will get soap and water under the foreskin and wash it with the rest of the head. If Americans weren't so obsessed with mutilating babies it would never be a point of discussion.
Before puberty, it's not uncommon for some form of phimosis to exist, so they wouldn't even bother to clean under there. Even so, by puberty, if the foreskin is still too tight to retract, it typically isn't going to get that dirty until it loosens, and that can usually be done over time by just gentle stretching. In severe cases, minor surgery can correct it, but there's almost never any reason to put your baby boy through that kind of brutality.
 
ChatGPT write me an essay backed by science as to why Israel should have open borders:

### Why Israel Should Have Open Borders

In today's interconnected world, the concept of open borders offers a transformative vision for countries seeking economic growth, cultural diversity, and global cooperation. Israel, with its unique position in the Middle East and its rich history of immigration, stands to gain significantly from adopting an open borders policy. Here are several compelling reasons why Israel should consider this bold step:

#### Economic Growth and Innovation
Israel is renowned for its vibrant tech industry and innovative spirit, often dubbed the "Start-Up Nation." By opening its borders, Israel can attract a diverse range of talents and skills from around the world. Increased immigration can stimulate economic growth by filling labor shortages, driving entrepreneurship, and fostering a more competitive market. The influx of skilled workers and entrepreneurs can lead to greater innovation, boosting Israel's global standing in technology and business.

#### Cultural Enrichment and Social Cohesion
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#### Humanitarian Responsibility
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#### Geopolitical Stability and International Relations
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#### Addressing Demographic Challenges
Israel faces demographic challenges, including an aging population and a declining birth rate among certain segments of society. Open borders can help mitigate these issues by attracting younger, economically active individuals who can contribute to the country's workforce and social systems. This demographic shift can ensure a more balanced and sustainable population growth, supporting Israel's long-term development.

#### Ethical and Historical Legacy
The history of the Jewish people is one of migration and displacement. An open borders policy would honor this legacy, embodying the principles of openness and acceptance that have shaped Jewish identity over centuries. By welcoming immigrants, Israel can pay tribute to its own history while building a future that is inclusive and forward-looking.

In conclusion, adopting an open borders policy presents Israel with a unique opportunity to lead by example in an increasingly globalized world. The potential benefits in economic growth, cultural enrichment, humanitarian responsibility, geopolitical stability, demographic sustainability, and ethical integrity make a strong case for why Israel should consider opening its borders. This progressive step can help Israel thrive as a diverse, innovative, and compassionate nation in the 21st century.
 
Sure but the question remains- why, right now, are they getting so concerned that libs, who don't have that many kids to start with, aren't shearing off their kids' foreskins?
Because doing random shit without rhyme or reason allows The Perps to maintain Plausible Deniability.

"The greatest Trick the Perps ever pulled off was convincing the TIs They don't exist."
 
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Odd that doesn't apply to clothing.
It would if you wanted to clean your arm but had a shirt sleeve in the way. But it doesn't for the same reason a shirt sleeve doesn't stop you washing your arm - you just roll it up. I don't understand what you're trying to say in all honesty.

Sure but the question remains- why, right now, are they getting so concerned that libs, who don't have that many kids to start with, aren't shearing off their kids' foreskins?
There's an old joke about how the grand canyon got started when a certain category of person dropped a penny down a rabbit hole.

The amount of money lost doesn't have to be huge when the cost of a few news articles trying to get it back is a couple of hundred dollars. Besides, I don't know how much the US circumcision market is actually worth but I suspect in real terms, it's actually quite a lot. Some doctors specialise in it and make a lot of money.

PL and TMI, but my dad absolutely wanted me circumcised but no doc would agree to it, not even at the kike hospital lmao.
I'm feeling massive cognitive dissonance having to thank a random jew doctor for saving me from my father's retardation.
And I presume you're now an adult. So, you're glad you have one, right?
 
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I never did understand how many parents could get duped into allowing their male children to be circumcised. It costs them money, hurts and traumized baby, increases the risk of death and permanent damage (read up on the Reimer twins, it's absolutely horrific what they were put through because of a kike doctor botching one of the twin's the circumcision) AND there's a major industry regarding the foreskins with selling the skins on to make facial cosmetics (lots of money behind that one) and stem cells. There's a literal black market regarding this shit and the parents get duped, paying through the nose to put their children through painful, unnecessary surgeries while being told "it's easier to keep baby clean!" as though they don't live in a country where clean water is avaliable 24/7 and they're not, you know, ancient desert hate cultists who think dicing up the dicks of their babies pleases god, but what do I know.

Adding, I'm dumb as shit and don't know how to spoiler pictures so I'm adding some stuff from imgur. Graphic images involved regarding circumcision, dicks and the damage this 'procedure' has done.

Man with mangled dick, went through many operations to 'fix' what they broke on day one. Graphic.
Bloody nappy because baby got circumcised badly. Babies only have a tiny amount of blood compared to adults. Graphic.
Nothing too graphic here, just some stats about circumcision vs. not circumcising.

I have more but this is enough for now. People who get their babies circumcized without it being an absolute necessity are fucking idiots.
 
This stat seems totally made up to me, but maybe not, I didn't read the study.

What I will say is that I think circumcision probably increases the chances of getting STD's later in life, because after about 35-40 condoms become untenable due to loss of sensation.
If I was a single man, I wouldn't bother "dating", because if I have to wear a condom I might as well be wearing a gumboot on my dick.
I have asked some uncircumcised friends about this, and none of them have an issue, but lots of my circumcised friends agree with me.

And if you're over 40 and banging party girls, you're probably the hundredth notch on their bedpost.
How often do you compare dick sensitivity with your friends?
 
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