Serious LGBT Discussion

[Back To School]

It's called brainworms.

Oooooh!!!! You're gonna get married..... to someone of the same sex!!!! Sp00ky sc4ry!!!!

I don’t WANT that life for myself. I don’t WANT to live a life full of degeneracy and be a genetic dead end and make my parents look like an even bigger embarrassment and fuck-up than they already are if people know they have more than one gay kid. I want to be normal and I want to be well without this sickness plaguing me and preventing me from having a normal and good life.

 

[Omori Boy]

I don’t WANT that life for myself. I don’t WANT to live a life full of degeneracy

Nothing degenerate about loving your one and only life partner.

and be a genetic dead end

You don't have to be, you can have surrogacy, or even knock someone up.

make my parents look like an even bigger embarrassment and fuck-up than they already are

Say that again?

if people know they have more than one gay kid.

That's not a failure of parents.

I want to be normal and I want to be well

See a therapist, your thinking patterns are irrational. Once you got these retarded notions out of your head, and as long as you don't have any underlying medical conditions, you can confidently say you're well.

 

[Back To School]

Nothing degenerate about loving your one and only life partner.

The same sex aren’t supposed to be together it’s an illness.

You don't have to be, you can have surrogacy, or even knock someone up.

I think surrogacy is immoral and I can’t knock someone up considering I don’t want to deprive a child of a mother and a father and given that I’m homosexual I can’t have a wife because I don’t feel attraction to women.

Say that again?
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They have two gay children. People would be correct to question where they went wrong as parents given that the likelihood of that happening is slim to none, and I 100% believe both my sister and I could’ve avoided being gay had our parents been more hypervigilant with monitoring what we were both doing on the internet as kids given that we were both on Tumblr and surrounded by gay media and maybe we both could’ve avoided succumbing to this condition had we were not exposed to that.

That's not a failure of parents.

It very much could be. They’re good people like I stated but they also could’ve made sure that my sister and I weren’t easily influenced by gay shit as kids and tried to steer us away from becoming gay. It’s the only mistake they’ve made as parents imo.

See a therapist, your thinking patterns are irrational. Once you got these retarded notions out of your head, and as long as you don't have any underlying medical conditions, you can confidently say you're well.

There is nothing wrong with accurately viewing my homosexuality to be akin to a psychological condition or a paraphilia. I have self awareness and know that the life I lived for years is wrong and that I need to either try to purge my homosexuality out or live a life of celibacy without succumbing to degenerate homosexual desires that won’t benefit me. I can’t see a therapist given that the majority of them are woke leftoids who would tell me that there’s nothing wrong with homosexuality (when that’s not true) and the only anti-homosexuality therapist I could find is a religious one and/or a Priest, but I’m not religious nor does my aversion to homosexuality stem from religion so it’s pointless.

 

[Omori Boy]

The same sex aren’t supposed to be together it’s an illness.

No it's not and there's no good argument to say that it is.

I think surrogacy is immoral and I can’t knock someone up considering I don’t want to deprive a child of a mother and a father and given that I’m homosexual I can’t have a wife because I don’t feel attraction to women.

I think all of your views are based off of Christian religion. And if that's the case there is three options. Either chose the average view of Christianity and live a miserable life (don't forget, suicide is a sin!), chose to be in a denomination that respects homosexuality, or realize that religion is not logical and that there is no worldly religion that explains what we as humans know of the universe.

People would be correct to question where they went wrong as parents

Maybe some weirdos might think that, but a vast majority of people will see no issues in that, and with what we know of homosexuality, it's not your parents fault.

my sister and I weren’t easily influenced by gay shit as kids

Knowing the gays exist doesn't make you gay, the same way knowing trans people exist doesn't make you trans. Hell, you can probably ask some older gays, most of them had feelings for the same sex before they knew homosexuality existed, and if they did, without a doubt they would have been told about how awful homos are and how they're going to burn in hell and so on.

 

[Space Police]

Knowing the gays exist doesn't make you gay, the same way knowing trans people exist doesn't make you trans.

Agree with you on the former but not the latter. Trans ideology is so loose that ultimately, if you have a pressing incentive to do so, you could relabel any bad feeling or quirk as "dysphoria", and you'd only think to do that if you're exposed to trans ideology. There was a statistic from the 70s/80s saying that every time a "sex change surgery" was publicized in the media, there was a sudden spike in people wanting them, which shows that it has always been a social contagion. I also really don't appreciate you comparing troonism to homosexuality since they're nothing alike and fundamentally contradictory.

 

[JinxWinx]

@Back To School ok so after reading your story and what not, it seems to me that most of the advice other people have given to you is practically useless. you have no attraction to women. at this point you are STUCK with being a homosexual and it's eating you up at this point. i can't even tell you to get professional help because therapy probably won't help with the certain problems you have right now. i don't wish death upon you, god forbid that ever happens. i'd say try to cut off from your family completely, but i'm unsure how that would work. honestly, kiwifarms isn't the best place for you to air out all your business to us, you should take a break. this is frustrating to continue hearing all this, but i do feel bad somehow.

 

[Omori Boy]

bad feeling or quirk as "dysphoria",

No you can't.

you'd only think to do that if you're exposed to trans ideology

As I said with old gays, most trans people, more so than gays, had no clue transitioning was a thing, but the logical thought of "I want to be the opposite gender, I will act on that) is that, logical, it doesn't take a great leap and mental gymnastics to come to that.

There was a statistic from the 70s/80s saying that every time a "sex change surgery" was publicized in the media, there was a sudden spike in people wanting them

And finding out it was a thing probably made people realize it was achievable, hardly a social contagion.

I also really don't appreciate you comparing troonism to homosexuality

They came together because many trans people were gay too, and the fact that flamboyant men and butch women would act the roles of the opposite sex also brought those people together.

and fundamentally contradictory.

What?

 

[Anti Alien Alarm]

Homosexuality becoming mainstream has made it no longer underground and forbidden. Thus deterring me from ever really considering dating a guy. Thanks, Neo-Liberalism! I guess?

 

[Back To School]

No it's not and there's no good argument to say that it is.

There is a good argument that showcases that homosexuality is comparable to an illness. @Aero the Alcoholic Bat summed it up a few pages back but I’ll repeat:

> Self defeating lifestyle that at best, is comparable to being infertile, which is in of itself a disease or disorder.
> Non complimentary parings which leads to either hypersexuality or bed death with no in-between
> Greater correlation with other messed up "sexualities" and fetishes
> 3-7% of the population commits 25-40% of sexual violence against children, why?
> Greater amounts of STD infection, and even diseases spread near-exclusively by homosexuals, like AIDS and monkeypox, and the efforts of the mainstream media to cover this up.
> Greater amounts of correlating mental disorders and emotional disorders, which even studies admit that societal attitudes on homosexuality has a negligible impact on, meaning it doesn't get better even if society kisses your collective asses.
> Slippery slope plays out IRL immediately after gay marriage was forced on society in 2015.

There is no difference between someone who struggles with homosexual thoughts like myself and someone struggles with thoughts of pedophilia, zoophilia, coprophilia - they’re all in the same boat. It is unhealthy and abnormal to act on those thoughts and I know it is - you’d see that many people in this thread know this too too. The issue is that the majority of the people in the world are too afraid to openly admit that homosexuality is wrong, deep down everyone, even the most liberal people, know that something is “off” with the mere concept of homosexuality and the “movement”. Homophobia, as in an aversion to homosexuality (not an aversion to homosexuals themselves, which I think is wrong and unwarranted).

I think all of your views are based off of Christian religion. And if that's the case there is three options. Either chose the average view of Christianity and live a miserable life (don't forget, suicide is a sin!), chose to be in a denomination that respects homosexuality, or realize that religion is not logical and that there is no worldly religion that explains what we as humans know of the universe.

I don’t give a shit about religion lol. I never believed in it and never will (though I respect it). My views come from the fact that I had an awakening that made me realize my homosexuality stemmed from childhood sexual abuse coupled with exposure to gay media and gay porn at a young age, religion has nothing to do with this and I’ll never subscribe to a religion ever.

Maybe some weirdos might think that, but a vast majority of people will see no issues in that, and with what we know of homosexuality, it's not your parents fault.

I don’t think you’re being truthful when you say that the majority of people won’t question how two parents have two gay children. That is very unusual and rare. And if they knew that my sister and I were both raised on gay media and surrounded by gay culture at a young age, I’m sure they’d realize that my parents could’ve possibly prevented this defect from affecting us both.

Knowing the gays exist doesn't make you gay, the same way knowing trans people exist doesn't make you trans. Hell, you can probably ask some older gays, most of them had feelings for the same sex before they knew homosexuality existed, and if they did, without a doubt they would have been told about how awful homos are and how they're going to burn in hell and so on.

I’m not even going to respond to the former considering we’re not gonna ever agree, but I find it amusing that you think knowing trans people can’t possibly make someone question that they’re trans or might have gender dysphoria. Rapid On-Set Gender Dysphoria is a very real thing and the majority of young detransitioners (specifically the FTM breed) said that they fell victim to a social contagion. It’s ludicrous to insinuate otherwise.

@Back To School ok so after reading your story and what not, it seems to me that most of the advice other people have given to you is practically useless. you have no attraction to women. at this point you are STUCK with being a homosexual and it's eating you up at this point. i can't even tell you to get professional help because therapy probably won't help with the certain problems you have right now. i don't wish death upon you, god forbid that ever happens. i'd say try to cut off from your family completely, but i'm unsure how that would work. honestly, kiwifarms isn't the best place for you to air out all your business to us, you should take a break. this is frustrating to continue hearing all this, but i do feel bad somehow.

I don’t really know what to do and I do feel stuck like you said. I think getting professional help is useless because most therapists (except ones in a hyper religious setting which I don’t feel comfortable with) are pro-LGBT and would tell me that there’s nothing wrong with me. I do agree with you that cutting my family off would be a good idea, but it’s not that feasible considering I’m not in the financial place to leave them. The only thing I can do atm is completely cut my sister out of my life due to her lesbianism and try to avoid associating with her at all costs because her homosexual condition being accepted and applauded in my family makes me feel uneasy about mine, unless she somehow turns bisexual or leaves her fiancé (hopefully) and ends up with a guy.

Regardless, I’m sorry for coming in this thread and annoying everyone like this. I’ve just been dealing with a lot of trauma and inner turmoil recently regarding my homosexuality and how I never asked to develop it and how I could’ve avoided it from happening. I just don’t know what to do anymore considering most therapists would turn me away or try to convince me that nothing is wrong with homosexuality and I don’t want a pro-gay therapist, but I can’t go to my parents or any family member about this either. I’m just so so fucked. I might just sign off and get my shit together for a bit but I don’t know if that would work. Idk I just feel so gone right now Idk what to do

 

[Hooked on phobics]

There is nothing wrong with accurately viewing my homosexuality to be akin to a psychological condition or a paraphilia. I have self awareness and know that the life I lived for years is wrong and that I need to either try to purge my homosexuality out or live a life of celibacy without succumbing to degenerate homosexual desires that won’t benefit me.

I will say, believe it or not, self awareness and firm shame is actually already half the battle there, so you aren't THAT bad off.

Consider what you surround yourself with, take in via media, and where you let your thoughts wonder. If theres any way you can bend your mind to find women attractive, focus on, and practice that, and avoid anything which encourages unwanted thoughts.

You aren't as doomed as you think, its just alienating because fags like omori boy will, ironically enough, NEVER give support towards you. Don't give idiots like them the time of day.

 

[Back To School]

I will say, believe it or not, self awareness and firm shame is actually already half the battle there, so you aren't THAT bad off.

Consider what you surround yourself with, take in via media, and where you let your thoughts wonder. If theres any way you can bend your mind to find women attractive, focus on, and practice that, and avoid anything which encourages unwanted thoughts.

You aren't as doomed as you think, its just alienating because fags like omori boy will, ironically enough, NEVER give support towards you. Don't give idiots like them the time of day.

I think omori boy is coming from a kind place and I appreciate that they’re trying to be nice, but I also can’t lie and say that their POV isn’t coming from pro-homosexual propaganda destroying their brain like it has done to others.

Unfortunately, there’s nothing I can do to ever find women attractive. I’ve tried having girlfriends, I’ve tried sleeping with various women over the years and didn’t really enjoy it, I’ve tried watching straight porn and tried to retrain my brain to like women - it won’t fucking WORK. And the sad thing is I KNOW I could’ve avoided this. The last time I felt any interest in women was in 2012 when I was still a pre-teen, but it all quickly went away and that’s when I stopped being normal.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

I’ve tried watching straight porn and tried to retrain my brain to like women - it won’t fucking WORK. And the sad thing is I KNOW I could’ve avoided this. The last time I felt any interest in women was in 2012 when I was still a pre-teen, but it all quickly went away and that’s when I stopped being normal.

Finding stuff to foster aggression and machismo can help. Even if its something as dumb as playing a gory, aggressive shooter.

I'm going to wager a guess you are a less aggressive personality, and homosexual inclinations are for being bottom?

in a sense those 2 go hand in hand, being gay will foster being that way, and being low aggression and sort of "castrated" will also lead into being gay.

 

[Back To School]

Finding stuff to foster aggression and machismo can help. Even if its something as dumb as playing a gory, aggressive shooter.

I'm going to wager a guess you are a less aggressive personality, and homosexual inclinations are for being bottom?

in a sense those 2 go hand in hand, being gay will foster being that way, and being low aggression and sort of "castrated" will also lead into being gay.

I’ve been finding a lot of ways to foster my aggression - I’ve been boxing, working out, playing gory first person shooters (ironic that you came up with that lol), and even went to one of those rooms where you pay them to let you destroy shit. It has amounted to nothing - I still want cock and still hate pussy.

I would say that I’m a less aggressive personality, even though I do have my moments. In most of my gay relationships, I’ve definitely been the more reserved submissive type (“the woman” as some people call it).

 

[Hooked on phobics]

You actually been trying to limit sexual expression? nofap actually works damn well for a reset, a lot of men deal with weird fetishes from porn, and just entirely abstaining from any porn or such for longer periods (multiple weeks) can help have more normal reactions. Its stressful for sure, but it works well

 

[Back To School]

You actually been trying to limit sexual expression? nofap actually works damn well for a reset, a lot of men deal with weird fetishes from porn, and just entirely abstaining from any porn or such for longer periods (multiple weeks) can help have more normal reactions. Its stressful for sure, but it works well

My longest record of nofap was four months and it still didn’t make any homosexual thoughts go away. Nothing will ever make them go away I think - it was hardwired in me from abuse and exposure to gay shit before puberty. There’s nothing I can do except suffer in celibacy.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Damn. Sorry to hear, though, I'd say your willingness to fight it at all says a lot, far too many get bitter and maliciously try to spread it. Good job on that, at least.

 

[Back To School]

Damn. Sorry to hear, though, I'd say your willingness to fight it at all says a lot, far too many get bitter and maliciously try to spread it. Good job on that, at least.

The last thing I would want to do is continue to engage in homosexuality or try to convince myself it’s okay. It’s sad that my “come to Jesus moment” has to entail me removing all my gay friends and my gay sister from my life, but I don’t want them to influence me to think my perversions are okay.

 

[Deer]

I’ve tried that a hundred times since I was a teenager and it’s never worked, ever. I’ve accepted that I’ll be plagued with this illness for the rest of my life and it’s going to ruin me.

Become an Orthodox Monk and live in a monestary. Only way for you to be SAVED.

 

[Back To School]

Become an Orthodox Monk and live in a monestary. Only way for you to be SAVED.

If only I was religious lol. If God does exist I guess he’ll forgive my six years of homosexual activity on the basis of me being celibate and anti-gay now.

 

[Deer]

If only I was religious lol. If God does exist I guess he’ll forgive my six years of homosexual activity on the basis of me being celibate and anti-gay now.

Well, it is a sin only if you act on it, if you act upon homosexual desires God will forgive, people have done far worse things. People struggle with these things, that is called growing up. You mature, find yourself in this world, see what sticks, perhaps it is because of a porn-addition that you have this desire, perhaps it is but a fetish, i have no clue, i don't know enough about you to know. But nevertheless i believe that if you truly want to change yourself, if you want to have a family, find a woman to love it is still possible.

Maybe go to a psychiatrist, talk with your parents about it, maybe go to church even! No clue where you live and if that is accessible to you, but anyhow... As i've said maybe some girl will eventually approach you, and maybe your love to her will outgrow these desires. Of course you don't need to remove your gay friends or sister from your life, you love these people on a basis of these are people you know and trust, but perhaps they do something i don't like, but that's fine, we are all different.

My longest record of nofap was four months and it still didn’t make any homosexual thoughts go away. Nothing will ever make them go away I think - it was hardwired in me from abuse and exposure to gay shit before puberty. There’s nothing I can do except suffer in celibacy.

Even nofap won't do anything, you already got yourself into this, you have to refind the beauty of women, as funny as it sounds, you have to make your brain reattach these feelings you feel to girls. No clue how you will do it. You will probably always have these homosexual thoughts, but you can still find beauty within girls, and have a normal life. It's all possible.