Japanese Learning Thread - Exchanging things they have learned with the tranime weeb language.

[Alex Hogendorp]

Ever since Anime made itself to the west, over 500 billion people became interested in studying the language. Out of all of them, 99.9% of them quit because their western brain cannot comprehend anything other than Anime phrases and learning how to actually speak and write it is too hard for them. For those who haven't quit within the first month or so. We can tell each other interesting things we have learned about the language. Keep in mind this is supposed to be a civil discussion so any weebs who attempt to ruin it will be banished to the Shadow Realm.

For me, After 6 months of dedicated studying. I can finally form some sentences in Japanese, I mean, my Japanese is still relatively shitty but at least it's not as shitty as the other weebs. It's a language that starts of really hard but becomes much more enjoyable and rewarding once you understand it more.

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

Ah, ching chong ni hao.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

お前ら全部ホモだよ

 

[herefortheactualthreads]

remember kids, if you go to japan, there are no subtitles!

 

[User names must be unique]

nihongo wa totemo muzukashi yo

 

[Justtocheck]

Ah, Japanese, the language that requires you to know two phonetic alphabets and Chinese letters with different and inconsistent readings and also to know English because the NIHONJIN can't get enough of their gairaigo.

It's truly a language.

 

[fresh pair of socks]

It's a language that starts of really hard but becomes much more enjoyable and rewarding once you understand it more.

If you ask Japanese professors, they will tell you the exact opposite. Students feel incredibly accomplished in their first year of studying, being able to easily learn hiragana, katakana, and basic kanji. Japanese verbs are far easier to learn than most European languages, with few tenses and only 2 irregular verbs.

Most give up after 1 year or shortly after, filtered by complex kanji and 敬語, which has no English equivalent and feels like an entirely new language. If you keep up with it, you have to expect to hit a wall eventually.

For anyone who want to practice their Japanese through video games, I'd recommend the Dragon Quest and Pokemon series. Both are designed to be accessible to all ages, so they use simple kanji and furigana, with older games avoiding kanji altogether.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

If you ask Japanese professors, they will tell you the exact opposite. Students feel incredibly accomplished in their first year of studying, being able to easily learn hiragana, katakana, and basic kanji. Japanese verbs are far easier to learn than most European languages, with few tenses and only 2 irregular verbs.

Most give up after 1 year or shortly after, filtered by complex kanji and 敬語, which has no English equivalent and feels like an entirely new language. If you keep up with it, you have to expect to hit a wall eventually.

For anyone who want to practice their Japanese through video games, I'd recommend the Dragon Quest and Pokemon series. Both are designed to be accessible to all ages, so they use simple kanji and furigana, with older games avoiding kanji altogether.

To be honest, Kanji has a fusion of other Kanji's as well, so if you recognize the essential ones, it shouldn't be too hard to learn the rest. It's the same with Chinese characters.

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

Just learn mandarin and purposely pronounce kanji incorrectly

 

[fresh pair of socks]

To be honest, Kanji has a fusion of other Kanji's as well, so if you recognize the essential ones, it shouldn't be too hard to learn the rest. It's the same with Chinese characters.

The difficulty lies in the sheer number you need to learn, along with their multiple readings. By the time you get to over 1000, it can be overwhelming. Being able to recognize radicals helps the process, but it's still a lot of memorization. To be considered fluent in Japanese, you are expected to know around 2000 Kanji. That is a high hurdle to clear.

Of course, when I started learning Japanese, we didn't have smartphones you could point at a screen or text and get a decent translation. If you are just looking to enjoy your favorite media, the bar is lower than ever with all the tools available.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

The difficulty lies in the sheer number you need to learn, along with their multiple readings. By the time you get to over 1000, it can be overwhelming. Being able to recognize radicals helps the process, but it's still a lot of memorization. To be considered fluent in Japanese, you are expected to know around 2000 Kanji. That is a high hurdle to clear.

Of course, when I started learning Japanese, we didn't have smartphones you could point at a screen or text and get a decent translation. If you are just looking to enjoy your favorite media, the bar is lower than ever with all the tools available.

I know that. Of course I could use the translation tools to read Manga and games I got from Japan. But language learning is my form of discipline, I'm studying 6 languages simultaneously (Spanish, French, Russian, Mandarin, Japanese and Korean). I cap off at 6, Holding off languages like German, Ket and Arabic until I master one of these to make room for another.

Also, Kanji looks like what they're meant to represent. That's easy. Once you apply that, it shouldn't be that hard to keep them in mind.

 

[Safir]

remember kids, if you go to japan, there are no subtitles!

I'm consigned to the fact I will never read anything without furigana. Not because I'm hung up on the pronunciation (like with English, most of the words I read I don't know how to pronounce), but because looking up kanji is TORTURE. Literal fucking torture.

I learned English from a Magic: the Gathering novel, started looking up every second word ("crevice"? what's that?) IN A PAPER DICTIONARY and finished fluent.

I'm sorry, Meteru, I'm going to space hell, someone else will have to shoot the red screw and destroy globohomo.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

remember kids, if you go to japan, there are no subtitles!

Even their own TV programs come with subtitles, how is it possible that there aren't any?

 

[GunCar Gary]

looking up kanji is TORTURE. Literal fucking torture.

if you have an iOS device then Shirabe Jisho makes it easy(er) to look up kanji because you can draw symbols to look them up, or enter in what radicals it has and then choose from a list. i recommend

 

[N Space]

500 billion

Million?

 

[TenMilesWide]

I'm consigned to the fact I will never read anything without furigana. Not because I'm hung up on the pronunciation (like with English, most of the words I read I don't know how to pronounce), but because looking up kanji is TORTURE. Literal fucking torture.

I learned English from a Magic: the Gathering novel, started looking up every second word ("crevice"? what's that?) IN A PAPER DICTIONARY and finished fluent.

I'm sorry, Meteru, I'm going to space hell, someone else will have to shoot the red screw and destroy globohomo.

I've been enjoying dicking around with various online dictionaries that let you write in kanji to look up, just get good at copying the moonrunes you're reading onto another screen by hand, ezpz.

 

[3deadniggers]

Is this a thread for people who want to get bullied and laughed at? I've never seen a well adjusted person want to learn Japanese. It's always the weirdest losers obsessed with anime.

I'm consigned to the fact I will never read anything without furigana. Not because I'm hung up on the pronunciation (like with English, most of the words I read I don't know how to pronounce), but because looking up kanji is TORTURE. Literal fucking torture.

I learned English from a Magic: the Gathering novel, started looking up every second word ("crevice"? what's that?) IN A PAPER DICTIONARY and finished fluent.

I'm sorry, Meteru, I'm going to space hell, someone else will have to shoot the red screw and destroy globohomo.

It's very unlikely you got fluent in English from 1 book and a dictionary. Half the words in MTG books aren't even real words.

 

[vittek]

WaniKani, Bunpro, Anki, DeerLingo for over a year and i still feel i only got the basics down. But at least i can sing Sukiyaki from memory!

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Is this a thread for people who want to get bullied and laughed at? I've never seen a well adjusted person want to learn Japanese. It's always the weirdest losers obsessed with anime.

Maybe I should learn those jap runes, I already am a weird loser, altough the anime obsession is just for show

 

[invisibult plus+]

Now you can study Japanese while watching your kawaiides-ne anime.