Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Space Police]

in her vision for Star Wars, the Force is 'female' and the Jedi are patriarchal oppressors.

So the show is trying to say that the Nightsisters are good despite being Sith because they just are, okay?

 

[Dr. Butt]

I have two friends who actually know Leslye Headland (showrunner for The Acolyte) and her wife through another mutual friend, and apparently she's really into wicca and neo-paganism and stuff, which has clearly influenced the 'Force witches' (this is so cringe by the way):

The fucking night sisters weren't like this at all they don't even look like that why are letting her run the show if she doesn't even know what they are AAAAAAA hats, please. Ventress was so cooool

 

[Excited Eraser]

The fucking night sisters weren't like this at all they don't even look like that why are letting her run the show if she doesn't even know what they are AAAAAAA hats, please. Ventress was so cooool

The witches in the Acolyte are a different, new thing. Not very inspired, but they're not supposed to be Nightsisters.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Was trying to find a clip on YouTube to show a friend Tube’s bad acting. Found his Django lowlights. Even his fans are making fun of his acting.






Not fans but still funny


Not as bad as in the Star Wars show but still pretty bad in Django. Really not looking forward to seeing him in HOTD with all the controversy that’s already happened with episode 1…

Also lol at how much he tweeted about it and talked about the other actors when he was in the show for under ten minutes total. I thought he was like a major character from when I read his tweets…

https://youtu.be/RaknkjoYPpg?si=Fnit2xmkSpS5kq8U

 

[modernsage]

re @The Jackal
Replies and quotes are disabled on your post, but you asked me to clarify myself, so I'm going to assume that you're OK with me doing that.

Here's the extranny456 post. Much more recently, someone else deduced that Olly has been spreading the story around that Contra was unsupportive of his transition, trying to turn public opinion to his side. So considering that several years ago, extranny456 was spreading a similar narrative—that Olly broke up with Contra for the latter being "transphobic"—that would seem to fit together with that.

I also recall that one second-hand account of Olly's behavior posted in this thread related that Olly mocks Contra's opioid addiction. And this, too, is part of the extranny456 post.

This is all circumstantial and vibes-based. However I think this speculation matters because Olly is obviously extremely fake about what he lets people see in public. To me, it is delicious that someone so sugary and sentimental in all his public-facing content, would become vindictive and ugly the second the cameras were off.

 

[Tombigbee]

 

[transspotter]

re @The Jackal
Replies and quotes are disabled on your post, but you asked me to clarify myself, so I'm going to assume that you're OK with me doing that.

Here's the extranny456 post. Much more recently, someone else deduced that Olly has been spreading the story around that Contra was unsupportive of his transition, trying to turn public opinion to his side. So considering that several years ago, extranny456 was spreading a similar narrative—that Olly broke up with Contra for the latter being "transphobic"—that would seem to fit together with that.

I also recall that one second-hand account of Olly's behavior posted in this thread related that Olly mocks Contra's opioid addiction. And this, too, is part of the extranny456 post.

This is all circumstantial and vibes-based. However I think this speculation matters because Olly is obviously extremely fake about what he lets people see in public. To me, it is delicious that someone so sugary and sentimental in all his public-facing content, would become vindictive and ugly the second the cameras were off.

Yeah I could completely buy that this is Olly.

1. The extranny456 has only made one post
2. The language they use feels forced
3. They joined July 8, but the account went inactive the very next day
4. The timeline has way too much information for a casual observer. The point about Olly identifying as non-binary feels like an obvious tell. I don't think it's ever been brought up in this thread that he identified as non-binary so only Olly or someone close to Olly would have known that

 

[Dromedary]

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God, the lank, THIN, stringy hair. Like a 45 year old metal dude at a 1988 Judas Priest show. See, on an actual woman you shouldn't be able to see the shoulder through the hair. What even is that?

 

[The Jackal]

re @The Jackal
Replies and quotes are disabled on your post, but you asked me to clarify myself, so I'm going to assume that you're OK with me doing that.

On longer posts, you have to select specific passages to quote.

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OK, to anyone here who knows more about maintaining long hair than I do, is there something he should be doing to make this situation better? Or is it like that because troons are a hormonal mess and just naturally have disgusting hair and there's nothing he can do about it?

If the former, you'd think one of his female friends (if he has any he's close enough to), or his hairdresser or Brian ought to have sat him down for an intervention by now. If the latter... I don't know, invest in a good wig I guess.

Either way, there's no excuse for looking so awful if your chosen career path requires looking at your best. He should be curating his social media for casting, because someone on the team is going to check, and if he looks like shit in all his photos, that can make the difference between landing a role and not. It's not that fucking difficult Choob, you have the money to hire people to do this for you!

Apart from the hair, the extra-wide décolletage is doing him no favours by emphasising his man chest.

And he's wearing that necklace he got from Wiskus again! If it were a beautiful necklace then I could understand, but it looks like something you'd find at Claire's.

 

[AssignedEva]

Here's the extranny456 post.

I don't know... that post does have some inaccuracies

My main point is that if he accessed transition through the NHS [which is likely due to how much he talks about waiting times in his manifesto] he would've had to apply for gender therapy and enter a waiting list, and since those are sometimes years long, this is probably the most recent he could possibly have entered the system for him to be able to get HRT at the time he did. There's also a chance he could've done this while dating Nyk but my point is, if he went through the NHS, this is the latest he could've possibly applied.

Ollie got access to HRT via a bridging prescription. This is when a bloke tells his GP he's going to buy bathtub troonshine if he doesn't get prescribed HRT right now, so the GP writes a HRT prescription as harm reduction and then refers to a gender clinic. This is why despite there being multi year waits for gender clinics, people seem to hop on HRT sharpish.
This does only work for trans women. Trans men can't do this as easily as testosterone is a controlled substance.

Also, in order to change your gender marker [which he flaunts ever so subtly in his coming out video] in the UK you need to present 2 years of proof that you're the gender you say you are so I don't think it's a totally insane idea that he would enter the system at this time (although yes you can get "proof" in other ways).

You need to live as a gender for 2 years to obtain a gender recognition certificate, which updates your birth certificate. Ollie famously doesn't have this because he keeps seething about not being able to get married in the UK (without a GRC the officiant is forced to misgender him and call him a husband). The same requirements don't apply to e.g. updating the gender marker on your driving license, which is as easy as changing from Ms to Dr - they don't ask for proof, you just send off a form. Slightly trickier with a passport where a letter from the doctor is required but Ollie's talked about getting that letter since this post (and misunderstanding and thinking the doctor was flirting with him).

On the other hand maybe these details are deliberately bodged to try and obfuscate and he just wanted to put this idea across:

I think Oliver might've been the one to end things with Nyk.

It is weird that someone made an account just to make one very detailed post about Ollie and then left, but stranger things have happened. I did think bringing up his Queer video (October 2019) is a good point, because since this post has been made it's become clear that Contra dumped Ollie about two months later in December 2019.

That post also has the person claiming to be autistic and it did make me wonder: is Ollie autistic? He seems to be very bad at understanding other people, he's frequently clueless and weird in his responses to fans, he has a very black and white view of the world and gets incredibly rules-lawerery about many things. Did we just all assume he was like this because he was an out of touch posho, rather than an autistic out of touch posho who's approach to masking makes him come across as more out of touch

 

[The Jackal]

That post also has the person claiming to be autistic and it did make me wonder: is Ollie autistic? He seems to be very bad at understanding other people, he's frequently clueless and weird in his responses to fans, he has a very black and white view of the world and gets incredibly rules-lawerery about many things. Did we just all assume he was like this because he was an out of touch posho, rather than an autistic out of touch posho who's approach to masking makes him come across as more out of touch

I can see him being somewhere on the spectrum, sure. I've wondered the same thing before myself.

 

[Božidarka]

Really not looking forward to seeing him in HOTD with all the controversy that’s already happened with episode 1…

What role does he have? Irrelevant background character again?

 

[your average scumbag]

gotta put this classic meme
my honest reaction

 

[Excited Eraser]

I think the narcissism overrides any autistic tendencies. He's a brute force kind of person, which to me is quite common. The kind of person who keeps bashing their head against walls and never even tries to learn how to use wits to circumvent them. Usually because they get lucky a few times and then wrongly attribute that success to the aforementioned head bashing, which then fuels the narcissism. This is also why he tries (and usually succeeds) at not dwelling on faillures. A video sucks and doesn't do well? A bit of whinging on the stream will follow but after that he will just not mention the video ever again. Same with 'acting' performances, though in pure narc fashion he will hold on to petty grudges with people.

 

[thefreshmaker]

OK, to anyone here who knows more about maintaining long hair than I do, is there something he should be doing to make this situation better? Or is it like that because troons are a hormonal mess and just naturally have disgusting hair and there's nothing he can do about it?

Regular washing to hydrate, make sure to thoroughly dry, then copious brushing and combing for neatness, hair spray to keep it fresh throughout the day. Many men forget the drying part and then go out and wonder why it immediately starts knotting and frizzing up. In Olly's case here, I suspect he left the house without drying properly, there was too much moisture, and it went icky.

 

[Aelfled]

OK, to anyone here who knows more about maintaining long hair than I do, is there something he should be doing to make this situation better? Or is it like that because troons are a hormonal mess and just naturally have disgusting hair and there's nothing he can do about it?

As a woman who has thinning hair bc of genetic bad luck, his hair looks so thin, birds nesty and brittle bc it's thinned out considerably since his "transition". If he wasn't taking HRT (or whatever he's taking), maybe it would have developed in male pattern baldness or a receding hairline (tho it has receded, too), but perhaps the hormones are leading to a more "female pattern" balding, which is all over, but is particularly obvious at the front and the parting.

Back in the day Olly had a decent head of hair. It's not particularly luciously thick, but there's a lot of it, enough to do a swoopy Bridgertony hairdo.

In his "coming out" vid,it's curled and styled which gives volume rather than the bob cut hanging lankly, but it doesn't look like it's thinned much if at all since trooning. This is 3 years ago? idk

2 years ago, still looking like a lot of hair (although there could be short clip in extensions to add volume. I'd say if it weren't for product and curling tongs, his hair would probably look more flyaway. Naturally flyaway hair + thinning of said hair = what is to come.

(ugh this screencap is nauseating) Here's Olly boy hugging his Past Self, who you'll notice has a much thicker, well cared for head of hair than Olly's increasingly stringy barnet. You can see the thinning at the front creating that wispy look you see on some elderly ladies.

tldr, Olly's hair only sees conditioning (smoothing out the flyaways) and curling styling to add volume when someone else (likely a woman) is doing it for him for a video. I imagine lots of clip on extentions are involved underneath the top layers of hair to give some depth and extra volume aka Not Seeing His Hulking Shoulders Through Stringy Strands. Left to his own devices on his livestreams/candid shots, he's clearly doing naff all but the most basic not-even-sulphate free L'Oreal or something. I doubt he's even splurging an extra few quid for John Frieda Brilliant Brunette to at least maintain some richness to the colour between dye jobs.

I was about to say I'm surprised he isn't investing £1000s in top quality human hair wigs, since he's so vain, but as a man he clearly hasn't clocked that "as a woman" he should be self conscious about the thin state of his hair. He maybe brushes it, thinks that instant volume he sees in the mirror will be how it looks all day, and doesn't realise that in 30 seconds of London breeze it'll be a wispy mess.

Still, looking forward to where the hair loss arc goes! It's only gonna get worse, chube!

 

[modernsage]

Ollie got access to HRT via a bridging prescription. This is when a bloke tells his GP he's going to buy bathtub troonshine if he doesn't get prescribed HRT right now, so the GP writes a HRT prescription as harm reduction and then refers to a gender clinic. This is why despite there being multi year waits for gender clinics, people seem to hop on HRT sharpish.
This does only work for trans women. Trans men can't do this as easily as testosterone is a controlled substance.

You need to live as a gender for 2 years to obtain a gender recognition certificate, which updates your birth certificate. Ollie famously doesn't have this because he keeps seething about not being able to get married in the UK (without a GRC the officiant is forced to misgender him and call him a husband). The same requirements don't apply to e.g. updating the gender marker on your driving license, which is as easy as changing from Ms to Dr - they don't ask for proof, you just send off a form. Slightly trickier with a passport where a letter from the doctor is required but Ollie's talked about getting that letter since this post (and misunderstanding and thinking the doctor was flirting with him).

My analysis is very much a vibes-based analysis and you may well be right—you seem to have a better grasp on the subject than I do. I would argue that extranny456's timeline seems flimsy and badly thought-out, and he mostly seems interested in pushing forward his characterizations of Olly and Contra. But you're right about this:

It is weird that someone made an account just to make one very detailed post about Ollie and then left, but stranger things have happened.

Maybe there is some obsessive PT fan out there who heroizes Olly, despises Contra, and would even come here to try to seed his weird theories about how everything went down.

That post also has the person claiming to be autistic and it did make me wonder: is Ollie autistic? He seems to be very bad at understanding other people, he's frequently clueless and weird in his responses to fans, he has a very black and white view of the world and gets incredibly rules-lawerery about many things. Did we just all assume he was like this because he was an out of touch posho, rather than an autistic out of touch posho who's approach to masking makes him come across as more out of touch

His posho self-absorption would already come hand in hand with a lack of empathy. What Olly demonstrates over and over is that he has little understanding of, but more importantly, zero curiosity about what's happening in the brain of any non-Olly person. That seems very narc. Autism would absolutely worsen his problem, but it's not a prerequisite I think.

 

[ghjoigcbn]

On the other hand maybe these details are deliberately bodged to try and obfuscate and he just wanted to put this idea across:

It could be. There is. a narrative that Olly went trans as sort of a reaction to Nyk dumping him and coming out as lesbian. I do think he probably identified as nonbinary or something earlier considering his proclivities. It could be tgat narrative really pissed him offamd he wanted to change it by using these inaccuracies as justification.

I think the autism comment was a clumsy attempt to fit in at the farms and justify why someone would make an account just to effort post about choob.
Clearly, the part about hating trannies and agps, and being a “TIM” did not ring true and seems to me like it was done to fit in at the farms and obfuscate the post being so defensive of Olly.
It could have been one of his rabid fans trying to defend his honor, and if so, probably a fellow troon.

Ah ninja’d by @modernsage

 

[The Jackal]

His posho self-absorption would already come hand in hand with a lack of empathy. What Olly demonstrates over and over is that he has little understanding of, but more importantly, zero curiosity about what's happening in the brain of any non-Olly person. That seems very narc. Autism would absolutely worsen his problem, but it's not a prerequisite I think

His lack of interest in other people's interior lives could absolutely be pure narcissism, but I don't think that has anything to do with his social ineptitude. That seems like something different.

And also, as @AssignedEva pointed out, he seems to have difficulty with grasping complex or nuanced ideas. And some of the more out-there things he says (like "I'm a biological female because I'm on HRT") have kind of an autistic vibe, at least to my mind. Someone who knows more about autism than me can weigh in here though.

It could have been one of his rabid fans trying to defend his honor, and if so, probably a fellow troon.

Possibly. But when someone like that comes on to the Farms, they usually don't bother with all this subterfuge. They just leave comments about how we're all nasty transphobes and earn their pink triangle badge. If it was an attempt to sneak some pro-Olly sentiments into the thread, it seems more likely that it would be Olly himself doing it or perhaps one of his friends.

 

[modernsage]

It could be. There is. a narrative that Olly went trans as sort of a reaction to Nyk dumping him and coming out as lesbian. I do think he probably identified as nonbinary or something earlier considering his proclivities. It could be tgat narrative really pissed him offamd he wanted to change it by using these inaccuracies as justification.

It could be—or it could be that extranny456 was just trying to make people see him as an authority, and he didn't think through the finer details. He insisted that he'd "triple checked" his timeline and that he had firsthand knowledge of the NHS's hormone care system. Thus, his post was dressed up in a lot of self-congratulatory guff about how much research he'd done into his subject, so that he then had license to tell us exactly what to think about it. Sort of like a Philosophy Tube video.

Olly seems uncomfortable discoursing unless he's established first just what gives him the right to talk down to everyone else. He always seeks to be the activist orating to a rapt crowd. I think this is why he's preoccupied with the idea that some special status—womanhood for instance—morally compels other people to "listen" to him. This was the topic of the most recent video. Claiming marginalized status grants him lived experience. So he's already correct before he's even opened his mouth, and if anyone disagrees with what he has to say, it's just because they've "failed to listen."