Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[TurboNAS]

I think Null and Hardin have to figure if it is worth it to file something to poke thr judge and get some movement, or will piss then off more to do so.

It will take time for the Utah court to review the docket and get up to the latest motions. They’re going to need to apply some advanced legal calculus to figure out which motions can reasonably be considered active. All of this while dozens of other cases are before them.

I’m guessing it will be a few weeks before there are any more updates.

Maybe there’s enough time for Greer to correct his address. Lol. Lmao even.

 

[filthypenguin]

Nevada wasn't on the table, because if she sent it to Nevada it would have admitted that it was in Florida, because Nevada thingy was filed in Florida (I think). Her whole argument was basically "this thing was never here so it's still in Utah".

Yeah but the only reason she needed to make that argument was to send it back to Utah. She could have just as easily made an argument that Greer is in Nevada, and Josh isn't in the US at all, so it makes sense to send it to Nevada.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Yeah but the only reason she needed to make that argument was to send it back to Utah. She could have just as easily made an argument that Greer is in Nevada, and Josh isn't in the US at all, so it makes sense to send it to Nevada.

Legally Josh is a resident of Florida and maintains a domicile there.

 

[filthypenguin]

Legally Josh is a resident of Florida and maintains a domicile there.

Yeah, and legally you can't ping pong cases. I'm saying if the Judge is willing to do something that's explicitly not allowed just to spite Josh, there were other, easier things to do that would have less chances of getting sent back to her.

 

[DavidS877]

Yeah, and legally you can't ping pong cases. I'm saying if the Judge is willing to do something that's explicitly not allowed just to spite Josh, there were other, easier things to do that would have less chances of getting sent back to her.

Sounds like Utah should do the obvious thing.

Transfer to the Commercial Court in Belgrade.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

Petition to Terminate Plaintiff.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't see why not. The way I see it, Mr. Hardin can't really do anything about this, Russ needs permission he can't receive, and Utah considers the matter closed, and it would be improper for them to effectively judge/decide a sua sponte motion to reconsider a motion to reconsider.

I honestly hope Utah responds to Florida Judge's bizarre attempt to order another District Court to do something, despite not being an appellate court, by just saying "Fuck you, Florida Judge, we ain't doing shit! You're not my real dad anyway!"

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I honestly hope Utah responds to Florida Judge's bizarre attempt to order another District Court to do something, despite not being an appellate court, by just saying "Fuck you, Florida Judge, we ain't doing shit! You're not my real dad anyway!"

That would be extremely funny for us, but probably less so for Null who would have to figure out how to proceed

 

[Harvey Danger]

That would be extremely funny for us, but probably less so for Null who would have to figure out how to proceed

If two judges refuse to handle the case, and he just lets it sit... does it cause any ongoing harm? Hardin shouldn't need to do anything billable as long as no rulings are issued. The case has to proceed in order for Russ to get anything out of it, if it falls through the cracks into legal limbo he doesn't get anything. It's a nuisance threat hanging over the Farms, which isn't great; but an eternal stalemate is a loss for the plaintiff, not the defendant.

Russ could file something retarded out of the blue years from now, trying to restart it when he feels like it. But that's no different from him filing it tomorrow, and any long delays in trying to force the courts to move lends more evidence towards his unwillingness to prosecute the case.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

The case has to proceed in order for Russ to get anything out of it, if it falls through the cracks into legal limbo he doesn't get anything.

Not necessarily. He gets social media clout. He gets to say, "Yeah, I'm in the middle of suing a hate site, I'm pretty awesome, now suck me my penis." Granted, like all lolcows, Russ is a bit of a retard when it comes to using his e-fame for personal benefit, so he probably won't.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Granted, like all lolcows, Russ is a bit of a retard when it comes to using his e-fame for personal benefit, so he probably won't.

He has made multiple Instagram posts bragging about it and was featured in an article once, IIRC

 

[Irene and 22 others]

That would be extremely funny for us, but probably less so for Null who would have to figure out how to proceed

He should clearly proceed to drink. How all of this hasn't turned him into a Rekieta-tier alcoholic already, I don't think I'll ever understand.

Do you think the Utah judge will just sit on this and do nothing until someone (probably Russ) files a writ of mandamus to compel the court to act? As you've pointed out, they transferred the case to Florida and despite Florida's understandable desire to have nothing to do with this dumpster fire, they don't really have the authority to return the case to Utah. Russ has shown no desire to be timely in this case, so I don't see why the court would feel as though they owe him a damned thing.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I honestly hope Utah responds to Florida Judge's bizarre attempt to order another District Court to do something, despite not being an appellate court, by just saying "Fuck you, Florida Judge, we ain't doing shit! You're not my real dad anyway!"

This really is the obvious solution. The Utah District Court telling the Florida district court to pound sand. The Docket was transferred at ECF 97. Notice was submitted at ECF 100. Florida court accepted transfer at ECF 109. Final decision by Utah Court at ECF 111.

If the Florida District Court is confused as to what final order means, then the Utah Court can just repeat the order at ECF 111 and close the case again. Can go for extra snark by giving the Florida judge 90 days to submit for a Writ of Mandamus in her own name as plaintiff, in the 10th circuit to compel the Utah Court to enforce their order. Sadly this won't happen, but it should be strongly implied.



Chaos theory, I think the Utah Court is going to sit on this for 90 days because that is the hard limit for the Florida Judge to file for a writ in her own name as a plaintiff against the District of Utah, with the 10th circuit Court of Appeals, to get her order enforced. Once she lets the time limit elapse by not taking this step and thus waiving her rights, the Utah Court is going to tell her to fuck off. This case is not ours, its yours, and you have no power here.

This is some really inside baseball shit, but its also what makes lolsuit's fun. Simply put for people who don't know how this work, a ruling in one federal district is not binding on another federal district. It is a lesser standard of citation called "persuasive". Meaning, another district can be informed of the decision, but it has no obligation to obey it.

This is especially true with district level decisions. Another district judge doesn't even have compelling authority on another judge in the same appellate circuit. Let alone a district judge in a completely different circuit. They are at best equal authorities, in the same way that ambassadors from two different countries get to sit at the same table at a state dinner.

 

[Dong-Liquor]

Not necessarily. He gets social media clout. He gets to say, "Yeah, I'm in the middle of suing a hate site, I'm pretty awesome, now suck me my penis."

I found this line to be the funniest thing I have seen all day, I don't know why, because it's hardly the first "suck me my penis" joke, but this one just stuck out as one of the funniest.

 

[ScooterL]

He gets social media clout.

Not even that. To get clout, he would need to have actual readers, and his only readers on social media are kiwis.

 

[Napoleon III]

Chaos theory, I think the Utah Court is going to sit on this for 90 days because that is the hard limit for the Florida Judge to file for a writ in her own name as a plaintiff against the District of Utah, with the 10th circuit Court of Appeals, to get her order enforced. Once she lets the time limit elapse by not taking this step and thus waiving her rights, the Utah Court is going to tell her to fuck off. This case is not ours, its yours, and you have no power here.

This is some really inside baseball shit, but its also what makes lolsuit's fun. Simply put for people who don't know how this work, a ruling in one federal district is not binding on another federal district. It is a lesser standard of citation called "persuasive". Meaning, another district can be informed of the decision, but it has no obligation to obey it.

I can believe it. The Florida court didn't do anything for a while because it was basically figuring out and getting ready to transfer this to Utah. Utah hasn't done a whole lot which means it might be doing its own version of this.

I don't know if you are right or not but I can see it. Specifically because Utah could do this in a way that doesn't cause them any consequences.

This is backed up by the fact this case has nothing going on and so it means any possible higher court has less ability to find wrong doing on behalf of Utah because there isn't anything happening in this case.

You could sadly end up being wrong, but I believe there is a real possibility of you being entirely correct. Whatever happens this was a good post, good job.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

I found this line to be the funniest thing I have seen all day, I don't know why, because it's hardly the first "suck me my penis" joke, but this one just stuck out as one of the funniest.

Probably because it ascribes a level of confidence Russ doesn't have.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Do you think the Utah judge will just sit on this and do nothing until someone (probably Russ) files a writ of mandamus to compel the court to act?

I have no fucking idea. I repeat, it is my sincere unironic belief that Russell Greer managed to softlock all parties including the court from being able to do anything. This is might be completely uncharted territory Regarding writ of mandamus; consider this train of thought. If Utah does not have jurisdiction, does the 10th? Utah has proclaimed that it has no jurisdiction, and Florida has proclaimed the same. Actually, Utah has proclaimed it has no jurisdiction thrice. Anything and nothing could be the game here.

By the way, don't take my tone to carry any ill will towards you.

To get clout, he would need to have actual readers, and his only readers on social media are kiwis.

No, Stalker, he has many many thousands of fans. I am sorry you have to live in your delusions again. Brace for prostitution.

 

[DHugo]

I have no fucking idea. I repeat, it is my sincere unironic belief that Russell Greer managed to softlock all parties including the court from being able to do anything.

Soft Lock Picking video creators coming for the US court.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

A soft-lock like this can only be broken by the Supremes or ... lady liquor from Florida, right? Could she somehow send a "oopsie woopsie I did a fucky wucky and broke the US court system" and take it back?