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[30+GameOvers]

I'll bet 21-24, and he's trying his hardest to look like a heckin oldfaggerino.

That's generous, this is going to be day 6 of his sperging now. The longer this goes on, they younger he actually is, I say.

On the topic of /b/ does anyone here remember Jesus Chatline? It was a livestream show from around 13 years ago that was popular on /b/ where two Canadian comedians did a parody of a religious call in show and trolls would call in? One of my all time favorite things from the site. Very similar to Deagle Nation where it was trolls getting trolled by trolls but it was hilarious.

Yeah, that was legendary. Took me a few years to figure out they were actually a parody show, tho. I will have to re-watch those again.

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Tried my hand at it.

That's good, but there is actually a version with several more slides. It would be great to add that last one onto the end of the more complete one, but I can't find it right now for the life of me.
Edit: Found it(Spoilered for it's length)

Spoiler

...and here is my amateur splice of the two

I like to think the last slide is the final few 4cuck sessions before inevitable roping due to depression of being a failure at life or trooning out

 

[3deadniggers]

On the topic of /b/ does anyone here remember Jesus Chatline? It was a livestream show from around 13 years ago that was popular on /b/ where two Canadian comedians did a parody of a religious call in show and trolls would call in? One of my all time favorite things from the site. Very similar to Deagle Nation where it was trolls getting trolled by trolls but it was hilarious.

Steven's dead now and I'm not sure what the other guy did. There's been a few knock offs and a few genuine attempts to do that I've run into. I used to semi-troll an honest to God Christian type who tried to do bible studies over streams. I would press the hard questions about dealing with fags. Hard to say God says burn them all when Twitch TOS conflicts with it.

Yeah, that was legendary. Took me a few years to figure out they were actually a parody show, tho. I will have to re-watch those again.

You're genuinely retarded if you couldn't tell that by the 2nd episode you watch. It always ended with a huge fight and one walking off.

Like most of the issues people try to frame here as a modern thing caused by newfags this isn't modern in the slightest. 4chan has always been insufferably contrarian. 4chan has always had this sort of "hipster syndrome" thing where people hate anything popular.

Contrarianism is different to having to completely rewrite history to claim anything before today wasn't popular or mainstream. Always wanting to argue the opposite is an anon trait, but the 'I hate normalniggers, get out reeeeeeeee' stuff is very modern 4chan. Comes out of /r9k/ trying to drive away the troons with peepee poopoo posting or whatever they called Pepe and wojak gore. It's strange how much influence /r9k/ has had on the site when it was never a major board. It was /b/ lite but almost all of the current culture stems back to the incels being angry their board was being invaded. Are modern anons all incels?

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

On the topic of /b/ does anyone here remember Jesus Chatline? It was a livestream show from around 13 years ago that was popular on /b/ where two Canadian comedians did a parody of a religious call in show and trolls would call in? One of my all time favorite things from the site. Very similar to Deagle Nation where it was trolls getting trolled by trolls but it was hilarious.

iirc it has a thread over in Multimedia

 

[AWizard]

Yeah, the big properties were always very popular, for example there were those cartoons in the 90s and there was a craze of live action movies that predate MCU in the early 2000s for some reason.

Most of which were children, teenagers, and geeks, not normies.

I think people are confusing sold well with "popular and cool with everybody" and confusing "deep interest in the franchise" with "watched the blockbuster movies/played the mainstay games". Maybe it depends entirely on where you grew up on how geek culture presented itself in your area, but I feel gen z has a skewed perspective on geek culture cos a lot of their coming of age would be what? 2015 onwards? Geek was basically mainstream at that point. 2007-8 is when I say geek culture started really started to permeate the mainstream and become a focal point in pop culture (it's also coincidentally the point where many oldfags claim the decline of 4chan started, I personally claim it's 2012 where the decline became visible). Like there's a reason manchild and geek were/are basically synonymous, you were expected to drop "childish" hobbies as you approached adulthood. Not to mention in secondary school people would be in a race to appear adult.

I think what separated the nerds from the mainstream was getting invested in the world-building, minutia, the expanded universes, the science (of sci fi), getting deeper into the sub-genres of "geeky" stuff etc. So while there were "nerdy" things that appeared in the mainstream like say a movie of a comic, I don't think the average person went deeper than the (blockbuster) movies, a licensed videogame or maybe an issue or two of said comic. I doubt many of them were scouring comic book shops, visiting forums, spending money on expensive merchandise, going to cons etc. A lot of that takes way more money and effort that many people weren't willing to spend. It'd also mean they'd miss out other titles/franchises that didn't hit the mainstream.

Like I said, maybe perception is different depending on where and when you grew up.

Like most of the issues people try to frame here as a modern thing caused by newfags this isn't modern in the slightest.

If that is remotely true then a successful 4chan clone should be possible, or at least some contemporary version. I stand by my point that Gen Z anons are cut from a different cloth.

 

[White Male Brony]

I dont get how anyone can still browse 4chan. Its unusable today. Complete garbage. Might aswell call it twitter 2.

 

[3deadniggers]

....so is Shiverpeaks a gen Zoomer? A post he made in another thread would make more sense.

If that is remotely true then a successful 4chan clone should be possible, or at least some contemporary version. I stand by my point that Gen Z anons are cut from a different cloth.

These two statements conflict each other. I have knowledge of pre-archive 4chan so I'm obviously not a Gen Z anon. But you think I am for whatever reason. So if Gen Z are cut from a different cloth why is an anon who hasn't posted in almost a decade able to be confused for one?

Geek culture was never a niche thing to begin with. Childish maybe but never niche. All the big tent poll geek interests were smash hits and continue to be through our entire lives. Most of the stuff labeled geeky isn't even geeky because no one wants to do actual geeky stuff any more. When I was growing up it used to be common to find weird men wearing big coats standing by the side of rail way tracks for hours to get a bad photo of a train passing and writing it's number down. They would go back to their homes and try to recreate the train down to the smallest detail. The train spotters were bottom of the totem in every possible way. The biggest losers no one ever wanted to be or interact with, But then the twist is, these same people are the bread and butter of model companies in the UK. In 2023 Hornby (model train and airfix guys) had £55 million in sales (and this was a bad year for them). Even the actual geeky weirdos no one wants to be around are still popular enough to be holding up million dollar companies consistently. Despite a lot of them dying of old age and the younger market not caring much for them.

It's dumb to think your interest in star wars or fallout was niche. Fallout 1 maybe, but even then you're still in the mainstream end of the spectrum. There's hundreds of big box PC adventure games and the actual geeks aren't talking about Fallout, Neverwinter nights or Day of the tentacle. They're discussing some weird DnD spin off that never left the early apple mac. The guys claiming they're into niche stuff do sound like Youtube top 10 lists and revised history because none of their stuff is hidden away or hard for people to get into. I grew up playing Star wars games on the PC and PS1 but I'm never going to say Dark forces was a geek thing and normies stole it with the recent remaster.

And why does it even matter? What's wrong with liking something other people like? I enjoy Star wars games as much as I ever did. Kid me playing in his bedroom didn't need the internet to validate me for shooting storm troopers. I don't talk to star wars fans, I don't care how popular it is. I still shoot storm troopers and I still enjoy shooting them. How does a million people I don't know exist effect this? If you don't like modern media (and we know you don't) then don't watch it. Fallout TV is not going to impact the original 2 games and the modern games have all been terrible long before the TV series appeared.

 

[Sicko Hunter]

You're genuinely retarded if you couldn't tell that by the 2nd episode you watch. It always ended with a huge fight and one walking off.

Jesus Chatline is special to me because somehow despite being super obvious trolls the show still managed to be incredibly funny. Like you would think once they got found out the bit would be over but it just kept getting better. It was "trolls trolling trolls" but it was still good.

 

[AWizard]

These two statements conflict each other. I have knowledge of pre-archive 4chan so I'm obviously not a Gen Z anon. But you think I am for whatever reason. So if Gen Z are cut from a different cloth why is an anon who hasn't posted in almost a decade able to be confused for one?

I said you could be. I have no actual proof that you are or aren't. My statement about Gen Z being cut from a different cloth still stands. Most of what Gen Z references is basically shit from 10 years ago, it's why they've been stuck on pepe and wojak for 10+ years.

Even the actual geeky weirdos no one wants to be around are still popular enough to be holding up million dollar companies consistently. Despite a lot of them dying of old age and the younger market not caring much for them.

Nobody said these things weren't commercially lucrative with a dedicated population. There's a lot of things that are niche that made money, doesn't mean they're popular with a broader audience.

You're intentionally ignoring statements and inserting your own inferences.
See:

I think people are confusing sold well with "popular and cool with everybody" and confusing "deep interest in the franchise" with "watched the blockbuster movies/played the mainstay games".

You're confusing with commercially viability with being popular across all boards. You're confusing different levels of commitment as the same level of commitment. Nobody is saying SW wasn't a major hit, but you have to be disingenuous to say most people, adults, who watched the films were reading the EU regularly.

How does a million people I don't know exist effect this?

Millions. When something becomes really popular it starts to appeal to a broader audience and dilutes it's product so that it is more easily accessible. You can see this in gaming as a whole, certain games no longer even have LAN play anymore instead depending on central matchmaking servers.

If you don't like modern media (and we know you don't) then don't watch it.

Wat.

 

[3deadniggers]

I said you could be. I have no actual proof that you are or aren't. My statement about Gen Z being cut from a different cloth still stands. Most of what Gen Z references is basically shit from 10 years ago, it's why they've been stuck on pepe and wojak for 10+ years.

I wouldn't disagree that Gen Z appearing anons feel very different to old school anons but that's not even universally true. Assuming 30+ is an older anon from 8ch (and I assume he is because he's chasing Mark Mann around) then you can't tell him apart from the zoomers on Sharty.

It's usually boards that define culture more than the wider side. A place like /m/ used to be full of fansubbers and pirates wanting 80's media with subtitles. the /LGBT/ crowd have flooded the board and now it's all yaoi stuff. Complete 180 in how the board used to function. So older /m/ anons are nothing like current /m/ anons or the old /b/ or /pol/ crowd. While boards like /out/ are still pretty close to what they were back then.

 

[AnOminous]

Just like how /b/ was never good even before the great newfag invasion of 2007.

Nostalgia isn't because it was ever good, but because it was a kind of bad you liked. I think that makes sense, but maybe I'm just talking retard talk.

 

[Space Police]

These two statements conflict each other. I have knowledge of pre-archive 4chan so I'm obviously not a Gen Z anon. But you think I am for whatever reason. So if Gen Z are cut from a different cloth why is an anon who hasn't posted in almost a decade able to be confused for one?

Geek culture was never a niche thing to begin with. Childish maybe but never niche. All the big tent poll geek interests were smash hits and continue to be through our entire lives. Most of the stuff labeled geeky isn't even geeky because no one wants to do actual geeky stuff any more. When I was growing up it used to be common to find weird men wearing big coats standing by the side of rail way tracks for hours to get a bad photo of a train passing and writing it's number down. They would go back to their homes and try to recreate the train down to the smallest detail. The train spotters were bottom of the totem in every possible way. The biggest losers no one ever wanted to be or interact with, But then the twist is, these same people are the bread and butter of model companies in the UK. In 2023 Hornby (model train and airfix guys) had £55 million in sales (and this was a bad year for them). Even the actual geeky weirdos no one wants to be around are still popular enough to be holding up million dollar companies consistently. Despite a lot of them dying of old age and the younger market not caring much for them.

It's dumb to think your interest in star wars or fallout was niche. Fallout 1 maybe, but even then you're still in the mainstream end of the spectrum. There's hundreds of big box PC adventure games and the actual geeks aren't talking about Fallout, Neverwinter nights or Day of the tentacle. They're discussing some weird DnD spin off that never left the early apple mac. The guys claiming they're into niche stuff do sound like Youtube top 10 lists and revised history because none of their stuff is hidden away or hard for people to get into. I grew up playing Star wars games on the PC and PS1 but I'm never going to say Dark forces was a geek thing and normies stole it with the recent remaster.

And why does it even matter? What's wrong with liking something other people like? I enjoy Star wars games as much as I ever did. Kid me playing in his bedroom didn't need the internet to validate me for shooting storm troopers. I don't talk to star wars fans, I don't care how popular it is. I still shoot storm troopers and I still enjoy shooting them. How does a million people I don't know exist effect this? If you don't like modern media (and we know you don't) then don't watch it. Fallout TV is not going to impact the original 2 games and the modern games have all been terrible long before the TV series appeared.

It's not about trying to be one of the only people who likes something; it's about material being diluted and dumbed down for mass market appeal and spaces being destroyed by influencer types (even if they don't have large followings they talk and act like influencers) and idiots who treat it as a lifestyle brand. As has been stated before (and in your comment about Hornby), there's a difference between selling well/getting high ratings and being mainstream (there are 7 billion people on this planet and 4 million isn't much in the greater scheme of things, especially when you consider how many of them are children and teenagers). There's a difference between watching Marvel movies and knowing about some Marvel character that only appears in certain comics. The problem with that is that these big media companies are airing out these obscurities into the mainstream, which makes normies think they have super deep lore nerd knowledge, even though that's no longer the case. Then normies invade the previously-niche nerd spaces and, lacking any true passion, ruin these spaces with memes, cooming, and engagement bait -- an issue only worsened by the normalization of porn and the rise of influencers. Media companies take notice and just make their new media about amplifying certain obscure aspects (often in a clumsy way) so that normies consoom and feel like they've hit upon some really cool niche thing and they're nerds and that's good because nerdlyfe is in now, even though they didn't and they're not (and never will be) true geeks. The same has happened with toys. Lego is at the nadir of its creativity now because they don't care about making fun toys kids and imaginative adults (aka geeks) can enjoy; they just want to make dust collectors that adults can consoom and post about online, and they just want to make licensed sets for normie properties like BTS (I know they've always had licenses, but those used to be the minority and they're the majority now, and even then their old licensed sets used to feel like playable toys rather than just collectibles to recreate movie moments in painstaking accuracy -- see current year Lego Star Wars vs 2014 Lego Star Wars). If you don't believe me, look at the sorry state of the Lego subreddit (I know, >Reddit, but Reddit is the 11th-most visited site and that's who these companies have to court now). The same thing is happening with Transformers. They don't care about making good toys anymore; they just want to make media-accurate action figures that can be posed in all sorts of ways for photography, which means that the alt modes and QC are suffering and that we'll never get things like that transparent monster truck from Cybertron or the ultra-realistic vehicles from the early Bayverse lines that never appeared in the movies. Normies are destroying geek culture by turning it into an aesthetic/trend, which destroys creativity because companies just want to make the laziest, cheapest form of crowd-pleasers and discussion pieces rather than actual good work.

 

[WarJams]

Okay, here's some actual funny 4chan drama: one of /m/'s worst spammers was recently exposed to be a bondage fetishist despite claiming to be asexual, and yesterday when he showed up he was exposed as a pedo. Spammer compares himself to Rachel Dolezal for falsely claiming to be asexual and claims the pedo remarks were sarcasm in the ghost comments.

https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/22657500/#q22688252

Embarrassing that retards are actually ghost-posting in CURRENT YEAR. I remember when the only retards who ghost posted were dumb fucking twitter normies who saw an archive link shared on social media and were going to tell those hackers on 4chan what for as they proceeded to piss into the void, completely missing the ocean of piss where the actual thread was.

Virtually every one of the ghost posts this year on /m/ seem to be that one loser autistically screeching. Looking through ghost posts on other boards is equally embarrassing, except for, like, one single dude on /co/ who is ghost posting about missing comics issues, drowned out by shit like two retards internet toughguying at each other.

 

[Space Police]

Virtually every one of the ghost posts this year on /m/ seem to be that one loser autistically screeching.

In 2020 he sperged out so hard in the ghost comments that the Desuarchive jannies had to clean it up. https://archive.fo/3qH8l

 

[Anti Lolicon Bomb]

 

[deadmanwalking092]

i came up with a list of issues i have with 4cuck and put it into a few categories
lmk what you think, and what changes you'd make to the website/my list

- community
generals & repetitive posting, lack of quality
half of the website being ai chatbots & feds
chudbait / bbc bait
pedophillia, incest shit & / "loil"
"moralfag" needs to be filtered
porn spam (ban asap)

- technical
update their software
capthacucking
fedded (no vpns, no private browser, no anonminity)
/biz/ emailcucking

- administration
ban on doxxing / raids
overmoderation (depends on board)
too few boards (unwilling to change and add boards for new things that people actually want)
too many boards (many boards that are repetitive or no longer need [mlp containment for example])

 

[local arkansas man]

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50 bucks on /lgbt/

 

[plattschwanz]

I find it very telling that the current autistic debate about geek and nerd stuff only revolves around shallow entertainment shit. No technical topics like ham radios, messing with software or electronics, or even stuff like train modeling - no, those have a natural and actual barrier of entry.

If your entire culture revolves around slurping down media, then it's not surprising that it's easily invadable by retards.

 

[Anti Lolicon Bomb]

50 bucks on /lgbt/

/v/ but then whats the difference?

 

[30+GameOvers]

I find it very telling that the current autistic debate about geek and nerd stuff only revolves around shallow entertainment shit. No technical topics like ham radios, messing with software or electronics, or even stuff like train modeling - no, those have a natural and actual barrier of entry.

If your entire culture revolves around slurping down media, then it's not surprising that it's easily invadable by retards.

4chan hasn't been a website aimed at actually talented autistic people for over a decade, merely the mentally ill degenerate ones. No surprise that you will have people arguing that "My consoomerist slop was ALWAYS mainstream, take that NERD!" instead of just talking about the topic. Reminds me of that image where the hobby gets filled with normalfags and the original party leaves, this is the normalfags shouting at one another.
Hasn't even /n/, the board dedicated to trains/bikes/airplanes been overrun with trannies? That just about says it all. If even autism as pure as trainsperging falls, you know it's truly joever.

 

[3deadniggers]

Nostalgia isn't because it was ever good, but because it was a kind of bad you liked. I think that makes sense, but maybe I'm just talking retard talk.

Even back at it's peak you would often have to reload a lot to find a decent thread. It's not a new problem even if the garbage has changed it's style.

They don't care about making good toys anymore; they just want to make media-accurate action figures that can be posed in all sorts of ways for photography, which means that the alt modes and QC are suffering and that we'll never get things like that transparent monster truck from Cybertron or the ultra-realistic vehicles from the early Bayverse lines that never appeared in the movies. Normies are destroying geek culture by turning it into an aesthetic/trend, which destroys creativity because companies just want to make the laziest, cheapest form of crowd-pleasers and discussion pieces rather than actual good work.

I've heard the opposite from other /toy/ friends. They get annoyed that toy companies are pushing into display pieces aimed at the adult collector market and the general kids toys are told to eat shit.

No technical topics like ham radios, messing with software or electronics, or even stuff like train modeling - no, those have a natural and actual barrier of entry.

I brought up model trains and train spotting actually. But this has the problem with secondaries invading based on youtube channels. A lot of hobbies have people not taking part discussing it because they watched Pewdiepie read some warhammer lore and picked up one of the modern games in a steam sale.