US ELECTION DAY (TRUMP VICTORY) - Every country has the government it deserves

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So the colonies are picking a new govenor general or whatever they call them to replace the kenyan fellow they had last time.

The choice this year is between a ginger tax dodging democrat oaf and a reptoid dynastic politician up to her neck in lies and corruption. As ever the contest between red and blue has been riveting, with much grabbing of pussies and hiding of emails.

We have a thread charting the campaigns but the big day deserves its own thread.

Who are you voting for? Who will win?

How many kiwis will lose the rag and get banned?

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i dislike trump greatly, but i suppose i must accept his presidency.

i'm actually kind of scared about what the future has in store for us, but i can't say i'm not a little excited because this is all so new.

so i'm going to be cautiously :optimistic: about this while the people around me chimp out.
 
What I especially love is how people flat out ignore the fact that the US prez is NOT the frakkin God-Emperor and still has to deal with Congress. Granted, the Congress is going Republican right now, but this wall ain't gonna be there for a while.

Unless he goes full Napoleon and takes all the power for himself, which WOULD rustle more than a few jimmies.

EDIT : Well it's all Republican now :story:
 
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Julian Assange isn't a fan of Trump

Assange Statement on the US Election
8 November 2016
By Julian Assange

In recent months, WikiLeaks and I personally have come under enormous pressure to stop publishing what the Clinton campaign says about itself to itself. That pressure has come from the campaign’s allies, including the Obama administration, and from liberals who are anxious about who will be elected US President.

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What I especially love is how people flat out ignore the fact that the US prez is NOT the frakkin God-Emperor and still has to deal with Congress. Granted, the Congress is going Republican right now, but this wall ain't gonna be there for a while.

Unless he goes full Napoleon and takes all the power for himself, which WOULD rustle more than a few jimmies.

As if Obama didn't already begin that process.
 
Looking back at this mess of an election, I think I realized exactly why we ended up the way we did: very few people took the election seriously.

Very few people treated the election like we were choosing who was going to run this country for the next four years.

The Democrats didn't take it seriously, with their shafting of Bernie Sanders for Clinton to make a point. The Republicans didn't take it seriously in the early months, when it wasn't apparent Trump wasn't a joke, and by the time they took him seriously it was too late. Both candidates, arguably, and a lot of the electorate simply didn't take it seriously.

But now, we've got a Trump presidency, and the odd thing is, I'm actually elated. I might have cracked... but then again, I might have found my calling.

Trump may have been humble in his victory speech, but I hope to God that's not a sign of what his presidency is like. If it's what I think it'll be, we might have a rebirth of political satire that far outstrips the Bush years. (Of course, I have my doubts that it'll even exist considering the way comedy is now...)

Perhaps it's a sign of how bad the political elite is in this country that we elected the embodiment of everything bad about 80s corporate culture. Whether he actually delivers on his promises, well, I'm betting not. A leopard never changes his spots. (Then again - you never know.)

But I'm fine with Trump so long as he does stuff I can make fun of.

EDIT: How many Republicans are there in the Senate or House who hate Trump's guts?

Pretty much. What ultimately didn't help the Democrats was that they alienated the Bernie Sanders voter base by pushing hard for Clinton, and basically rigging the primaries so that she'd be the nominee. I'd hazard a guess and say of the Bernie Sanders folks who didn't vote for Clinton or jump ship to Trump? They probably voted for Jill Stein.

As for Republicans who hate Trump, I know Sen. Ben Sasse from Nebraska absolutely hates the guy and was one of the progenitors for the 'Never Trump' movement within the GOP. AFAIK, he's one of the very few who's stuck to his guns during this whole shitshow of an election. Considering Nebraska went to Trump? I'm not sure he'll have a second term when the Senate elections come around.

I'll be honest. I voted third party (Jill Stein). And I was pretty disappointed that Trump actually won, but if it means that America could actually start to improve and try fighting for actual change, rather than using fear-mongering and manipulation tactics to scare people into voting out of fear rather than encouraging people to voting for their actual morals and values.

Maybe this is why checks and balances and limited government exists, so that idiots like Trump won't be fucking up the country nearly as bad as he could had the government not been limited.

Same. I voted for Stein, and I too am disappointed that Trump won. But I'm not going to REEEEEEEE until my lungs give out over it, either. I just hope that this will ultimately work out somehow, come the next election cycle. If nothing else, then maybe we'll get some honest to God political reform in both parties or, hopefully, third parties like the Libertarians or Green are given more equal footing in the debates so we can avoid a repeat of what happened this year.

Although if Kanye West actually follows through on his promise/threat to run for President under the Democratic ticket in 2020? All bets are off .
 
Haven't yet, but never say never.
*sarcasm* fucking beta faggot go for that shit you beta male shitlord*sarcasm*


The "Dewey Defeats Truman" of 2016.

EDIT: So, Kiwis - what are your predictions for how a Trump presidency will turn out?

Calling it now: Repubs will do very little to reform and just about nothing (besides immigration issues) gets addressed over the next 4 years. No, not roe v. wade or birth control either. ETA: you can be guaranteed that nothing happens regarding trade deals since Congress won't let Trump be nativist on that issue.

If Democrats do some honest soul-searching maybe a 2020 sweep, but I'm not holding my breath. They'd have to fully embrace Berniecrats for that to happen.
 
Calling it now: Repubs will do very little to reform and just about nothing (besides immigration issues) gets addressed over the next 4 years. No, not roe v. wade or birth control either. ETA: you can be guaranteed that nothing happens regarding trade deals since Congress won't let Trump be nativist on that issue.

If Democrats do some honest soul-searching maybe a 2020 sweep, but I'm not holding my breath. They'd have to fully embrace Berniecrats for that to happen.

Yeah either Trump will tame congress or congress will tame Trump, and my money's on congress winning this one.
 
I was really hoping Trump lost, just so MAGA hats would be on clearance:( I ain't paying double digits to Meme in Public (MiP ™)

EDIT: So, Kiwis - what are your predictions for how a Trump presidency will turn out?

Honestly, I think it'll be pretty ugly, but that's mostly from there being no checks and balances. In some sense, I don't think even Trump thought he'd get this far, and I don't know if he actually has a plan. That being said, I also don't believe that in 4 years we'll be living in some sort of Nazi Mad-Max Hellscape either. The long-term outlook is the worst if you support progressive causes, mostly because of the supreme court picks (turns out having old fuckers who can drop at any moment puts a lot of stress on the system!)

There's always a chance of impeachment, which I bet the Democrats will be calling for every single day, non-stop if Trump so much as farts out of tune.

Frankly, I do wonder if this will work out for democrats, Simply put, I think 4 years of Trump will be "enough" to allow a Democrat win again, whereas 4 years of Hillary would guarantee a Republican win, and possible someone worse than Trump (like Cruz).

In an immediate sense, the DNC needs to be completely demolished and rebuilt; the fucking Hubris of these people and their corruption caused this, and every single person involved should be on the street. They took an unlikable, but ultimately qualified candidate(in a technical, Senator, first lady, etc sense) and had complete backing of the media, was fighting a campaign that had a new scandal every week, and had no idea what it was doing, and still lost by healthy margins.
 
What I especially love is how people flat out ignore the fact that the US prez is NOT the frakkin God-Emperor and still has to deal with Congress. Granted, the Congress is going Republican right now, but this wall ain't gonna be there for a while.

Unless he goes full Napoleon and takes all the power for himself, which WOULD rustle more than a few jimmies.
I strongly disagree. The Executive branch has been growing more powerful with every election cycle that I can remember.
From 2001-2007, The GOP-Dominated legislature gave Bush whatever he wanted -and indeed it was that series of bad decisions that made him unpopular and drove people screaming into the arms of the Democrats, first in massive gains in the House (class of 2007) and then the Presidency (Obama didn't beat McCain so much as he beat everyone's bad memories of Dubya). Predictably, the Democrats didn't roll back any of the excesses and finally Barack Obama ordered an execution by drone-strike of a radicalized US Citizen (yes, he was an asshole; no, he never got due process) and here we are today -the Presidency is more powerful than it ever has been.
 
I bet the real reason why Hillary didn't give a good bye speech to her supporters was because she and Bill were already heading to the Clinton Foundation headquarters to start the shredding.

Now that she's not going to be the most powerful woman in the world I bet there are a lot of folks sharpening knives, getting ready to stab her in the back to save there own skin.
Actually it's rather likely that Trump winning gave her a stroke or something.
IF Trump delivers on his promises and implements a sound economic plan, you're not going to have much to be disappointed about.
My guess:
1) Trumponomics
2) Short lived economic upturn, also due to the formation of fiscal bubbles
3) Even more debt
4) Even bigger gap between rich and poor,.
5) Revolts and/or Anarchy
It's a flip-over, the other side says: "It's Trump!".
 
I strongly disagree. The Executive branch has been growing more powerful with every election cycle that I can remember.
From 2001-2007, The GOP-Dominated legislature gave Bush whatever he wanted -and indeed it was that series of bad decisions that made him unpopular and drove people screaming into the arms of the Democrats, first in massive gains in the House (class of 2007) and then the Presidency (Obama didn't beat McCain so much as he beat everyone's bad memories of Dubya). Predictably, the Democrats didn't roll back any of the excesses and finally Barack Obama ordered an execution by drone-strike of a radicalized US Citizen (yes, he was an asshole; no, he never got due process) and here we are today -the Presidency is more powerful than it ever has been.

Well that I did not knew, blame my Eurofag genes.
However, could a prez really give the middle finger to Congress and decide to do whatever he wants (which was more what I had in mind) ?
 
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