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I thought they said the opposite? They praised the implications but not the part where the protag was molested and it m graphically described.
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RandallBoggs
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They did, but the core issue remains in my opinion. This entire story is literally just “creepy doll man who rapes everyone in the family” wow such profound horror. If the theme is actually supposed to be generational trauma, then I really don’t understand how it fits.
Also they were completely fine with the non-graphic scenes alluding to the rapes, it was the overly descriptive smut they had an issue with, understandably. I just wish they weren’t such hypocrites. I’ve harped on UrbanSpook many times, my issue with him is that his ARG is fucking shit. I hate that instead of criticizing him for just having a shit ARG, horrortube started a pearl-clutching crusade to cancel him. You can’t dislike a piece of media for being bad, it has to be “problematic.”
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The opposite is also true, especially on here.
A lot of his defenders think that if you dislike his work, it's because you're one those moralfagging retards instead of just not liking it because you think it's just edgy shock-horror schlock.
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Raisincrest
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Oh, it's another pedo story? Guess I'll skip this week too. Oh well, wake me when we get a fun story again.
wtfNeedSignUp
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Pedo stories are equivalent to video game genre of small child in scary world, with how lazy and manipulative it is.
Ser Prize
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I think it's more than that. The story is about abuse, of course, but what makes it spooky(at least to me) is the inevitability of it. Wendi and Meat talk about how big tough macho resistance would have helped, but the undercurrent to Taffy is that you can only watch helplessly. It's extrapolating the idea behind cosmic horror and pitting it in a more personal way with stakes people can understand.
It's also a metaphor for abuse and how people treat it. How it's something going on and the whole neighborhood knows but nobody will address it. How it can say one thing(Tommy's life lessons about being a good person) while doing the exact and horrific opposite. If you've been around abuse you can definitely see it, though I'll agree that him outright being a weird unexplained doll man is a bit out there.
RandallBoggs
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I interpreted it to be more about generational trauma, especially after we find out it only happens if you have kids.
My panties aren’t in a twist over the story GOING TOO FAR!!!1!1! Or whatever, I just think it’s a little lazy to throw in child rape as the main source of horror. Who is Tommy even supposed to be a stand in for? The creepy molester uncle? Also the whole “keep it a secret” angle was hardly present, in fact in the prequel the whole neighborhood knew it was happening and tried to plot an end to it. They only lied about it afterward and pretended all was normal because Tommy scared them into submission, which is on par with the abuse allegory and turning a blind eye to it, to be sure. But the fact that initially it wasn’t ignored, and all the parents were in on the murder plot on top of it all, makes it a little weird.
The best horror aspect to come out of this story is the helplessness and inevitability, I think it delivered that well, but other than that it felt really OTT and corny while taking itself really seriously.
It also doesn’t help that these two can’t fucking narrate a story like this without pausing every two seconds to express their disgust. Yeah dude, CSA is bad, we’re all on the same page here. If it makes you this uncomfortable then stop reading it. But I digress.
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LOL, I'm slow. I thought a Wendigoon was a specific nickname for Canadian transsexuals.
Ser Prize
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@RandallBoggs
I don't think Tommy is supposed to be a direct stand in for anyone in particular, more that his status as 'the third parent' shows how the abuse can completely derail and alter the family's dynamic, reducing parents and children to shells of who they were. I like that he's not a direct stand in, either, so if you wanted to look into it from that angle you could make the argument that it's either mom or dad, who both display minor character flaws that could become abusive.
It also brings to mind how people who went through heavy abuse will talk about how their abuser will have love bombing phases in between the abuse, because while Tommy is evil both parents are more or less great people.
I don't think Tommy is supposed to be a direct stand in for anyone in particular, more that his status as 'the third parent' shows how the abuse can completely derail and alter the family's dynamic, reducing parents and children to shells of who they were. I like that he's not a direct stand in, either, so if you wanted to look into it from that angle you could make the argument that it's either mom or dad, who both display minor character flaws that could become abusive.
It also brings to mind how people who went through heavy abuse will talk about how their abuser will have love bombing phases in between the abuse, because while Tommy is evil both parents are more or less great people.
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This was my biggest problem with it. The best I could come up with was some kind of stand-in where Tommy was the personification of addiction since addiction tends to be the prelude to a lot of abuse that also causes damage to the addict themselves on top of what they do to others, with the scene in the basement being an intervention, the fire being disposing of alcohol, and then Tommy coming back either being the father being sober for a short time before seizing and dying of withdrawal or maybe relapsing and dying of alcohol poisoning. That doesn't explain why everyone felt the need to hide it though. I also can't come up with any imagery for the gunshot though, nor why the creepy sex stuff would continue years after the father's gone unless the mom was doing that too, but that didn't seem to be the case. If Tommy was just there and lingering, maybe even saying terrible things, but not actually physically abusive any more that might have worked as the 'generational trauma' stand-in but new ideas shouldn't have been presenting themselves from Tommy at the end of the five years
It doesn't work as well for The Third Parent though. I guess the dad being beaten and bloody in the hallway could be him expressing regret over what he did to the sister as he sobers up
In both stories though, the over the top violence just makes it impossible for me to process Tommy as anything but a physical malevolent entity who will literally beat and/or kill you if you cross him
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I think you guys are putting way more thought into this than the author did.
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I'm not trying to thread police, but I don't get the reactions of some of the people here. I like Creepcast and Wendi's content (though I agree the quality has noticeably declined in the past several months) and I would expect those in a dedicated Wendigoon thread would too, given that he's not a lolcow, but it seems every second post is autistically nit-picking every aspect of his content. He's a regular Southern normie guy and expecting complete intellectual consistency or deep literary insight into the Internet horror stories is silly. IMO one of Isaiah's strengths is that the fact that he's so normal and personable, it's like a breath of fresh air in a YouTube landscape where everyone is hiding behind a persona of some kind. I don't know what it is about Wendigoon that attracts so much visceral and generally unfound scrutiny.
On another note, what did you guys think of the stories relative to one another. To me The Third Parent was far more effective as a standalone story; Tommy seemed more insidious, akin to some unavoidable predatory entity. What I took away from the original story was that Tommy was a metaphor for CSA and generational trauma, which I felt the prequel undermined by making him so violent from the get-go. He became reduced to more like a Freddy Krueger figure as opposed to the subtle yet effective horror of the original. This could be attributed to the writing style; The Third Parent was written primarily from a child's point of view whereas the prequel is written as a retrospective from an adult POV.
On another note, what did you guys think of the stories relative to one another. To me The Third Parent was far more effective as a standalone story; Tommy seemed more insidious, akin to some unavoidable predatory entity. What I took away from the original story was that Tommy was a metaphor for CSA and generational trauma, which I felt the prequel undermined by making him so violent from the get-go. He became reduced to more like a Freddy Krueger figure as opposed to the subtle yet effective horror of the original. This could be attributed to the writing style; The Third Parent was written primarily from a child's point of view whereas the prequel is written as a retrospective from an adult POV.
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Even if the bulk of posters here are fans of Wendigoon in some way or another, you shouldn't expect anyone to pull punches when it comes to critiquing his content.
This is the Kiwi Farms. Intense scrutiny is the site culture. Wendigoon isn't special. He's not a Lolcow so the focus is on the work he puts out first, his relationships with other people on the internet second, and his career as a whole in a close third. I doubt anyone's going to take the time to dig deeper than that unless he goes batshit crazy and starts snorting coke like a certain alcoholic non-practicing lawyer or gives up his Christianity to appease the Woke Cathedral and troons out in the process.
I like Wendigoon, I love some of his content, but since the directed audience for this thread is the other posters, not Wendigoon himself, there's no reason for anyone to hold back nit picks and criticism as a they see it.
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You know the more I think about this story I realize, from a storytelling perspective the two really should not have been two seperate stories. They're just so similar strucuturally, and the dad's barely offers anything new, that it's completely redundant and I'd argue ruined the entire concept as a whole.
It'd be far better if you merged the two stories. Start out with the father trying to physically resist Tommy, only to be put into his place (maybe not getting brutally murdered, at least not yet). Then they try to mentally resist him, the family tries to keep each other strong in the face of what Tommy is doing to them and teaching them. Until he becomes aware of this and mentally breaks each of the family, culminating, on the last day, with Tommy doing the unthinkable to our protagonist. Or at least him trying to piece together the memories from that day.
You could even keep the whole cycle of abuse, with Tommy in the midst of the abuse speaking those words about his children getting five years that the protagonist blocked out of his mind for obvious reasons, only to recall them as his wife gives birth to twins. That's a really cool way to end it.
Even the whole Tommy invading the town part, too. Have the protagonist at school or wherever and noticing certain people and kids acting strangely, and wondering if they have a Tommy in their house too. But when he asks them they avoid the subject entirely and even berate the protagonist. Nobody wants to talk about it.
You could even keep the whole cycle of abuse, with Tommy in the midst of the abuse speaking those words about his children getting five years that the protagonist blocked out of his mind for obvious reasons, only to recall them as his wife gives birth to twins. That's a really cool way to end it.
Even the whole Tommy invading the town part, too. Have the protagonist at school or wherever and noticing certain people and kids acting strangely, and wondering if they have a Tommy in their house too. But when he asks them they avoid the subject entirely and even berate the protagonist. Nobody wants to talk about it.
There definitely was potential in this story, but the author went for the lowest hanging fruit and now you have a story that exists purely for shock value that nobody is ever going read a second time. That's not even going into the two sequels where Tommy fucking mutilates a cop and a little girl (graphically most likely), and the second where the protagonist kills his sister's husband and kids in a bid to kill Tommy.
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He named his channel after a cannibal spirit and makes a living reading stories about CSA and vague horror topics. He's anything but normal.
Catgirl Tyranid
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I'm sorry to tell you this, but this is what the Zoomer generation is.
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Uhh looks like they're now reacting to analog horror. Might just be another extra episode.
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Late, but listened it and it's not bad (though very bland). Nice that he straight up went fuck it with the algorithm and didn't use Unalive or other newspeak.
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I've never found Isaiah attractive before, but I have to admit that he's been looking very well the past few episodes; married life seems to be suiting him. He's clearly after toning up, he looks tanned and healthy and however he's styling his facial hair is making him look very masculine. Probably one of the few male YouTubers that actually looks like he goes outside on a regular basis.
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The incredible stark difference when you date a normal well adjusted woman, instead of some BPD whore