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See that’s the thing, “the rise, fall and redemption of Superman” is great cause it’s so simple, the Man of Tomorrow gets old, worn-down and fails.

It’s human, life kicks your shit in and not everyone picks themselves up afterwards, your friends drift away and the world isn’t always a nice place. It sometimes takes seeing the consequences of your mistakes firsthand to snap you out of it, or it takes a kind person with good advice to finally make you understand.

“They won’t forgive you for this Clark. Forgive yourself.”

That’s the best part of KC, is Superman despite being at the apex of his invulnerability is suffering from a very human condition, he lost his way.

Kingdom Come could only be done Watchmen-style as one-off, it’s not an event, or an “Endgame.”
In all honesty when they announced Gunn was allowing Elseworlds shit I was really hoping we'd get Cavill back for a direct adaptation of Kingdom Come down the line as one of them (snyder or not) in it's own continuity because I know he'd do it but then with the logo reveal being the KC logo I was like welp that is NEVER going to happen now. KC just directly filmed I think would end up huge even for people with no real context, so I hoped one day they'd dust it off and do it but now it's obvious this retard is going to take a huge shit on it when we get there in 8 years if this movie even makes enough money to not just can his DCU from the jump.
 
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In all honesty when they announced Gunn was allowing Elseworlds shit I was really hoping we'd get Cavill back for a direct adaptation of Kingdom Come down the line as one of them (snyder or not) in it's own continuity because I know he'd do it but then with the logo reveal being the KC logo I was like welp that is NEVER going to happen now. KC just directly filmed I think would end up huge even for people with no real context, so I hoped one day they'd dust it off and do it but now it's obvious this retard is going to take a huge shit on it when we get there in 8 years if this movie even makes enough money to not just can his DCU from the jump.
That’s the thing, I could never imagine Cavill as the happy go lucky “I keep lunch money in my belt buckle” Superman.

I could see him being any of the three “older Superman” fates I guess you could call them, bearded black suit Rebirth Superman, Kal-L or Kingdom Coomer.

The dysgenic goblin WBtards hate him though, especially after he threw in with that overgrown potato who tried to make Black Adam the third guy in the Trinity
 
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That’s the thing, I could never imagine Cavill as the happy go lucky “I keep lunch money in my belt buckle” Superman.

I could see him being any of the three “older Superman” fates I guess you could call them, bearded black suit Rebirth Superman, Kal-L or Kingdom Coomer.
I can but that's because I've seen tons of interviews with him about other stuff and that seems to be his real personality he's like a happy goofy fuck. that being said he'd kill it at the older supes thing and the fact Gunn kicked him to the curb and they aren't going to at least give him something like that is criminal.

really at this point I'm just over it. I'll see this movie expecting to be angry after and hopefully I won't hate it so I'll have a small victory. but for real I'd rather get no DC movies at all again then watch my favorite fictional universe and characters dragged down into shit another time. or even worse see it turn into what marvel has which is oversaturating the market with the least interesting possible characters and things for the good characters to do. I'd much rather just keep getting mediocre cartoons twice a year.
 
I think I finally know why I'm not liking the suit.
It's not that it's a mix of Superman suits, it's the fact that it's a mix of Superman suits with no flow to it. It's like the My Adventures with Superman suit, it's being classic, but also fighting against the classic-ness. It looks like a result of a mix-and-match then a proper new suit. Removing the red from the nu52 collar ain't helping either.
I hope it looks better in action.
 
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I can but that's because I've seen tons of interviews with him about other stuff and that seems to be his real personality he's like a happy goofy fuck. that being said he'd kill it at the older supes thing and the fact Gunn kicked him to the curb and they aren't going to at least give him something like that is criminal.

really at this point I'm just over it. I'll see this movie expecting to be angry after and hopefully I won't hate it so I'll have a small victory. but for real I'd rather get no DC movies at all again then watch my favorite fictional universe and characters dragged down into shit another time. or even worse see it turn into what marvel has which is oversaturating the market with the least interesting possible characters and things for the good characters to do. I'd much rather just keep getting mediocre cartoons twice a year.
I’m in the same boat, I know I’ll have to see it because my mom always talks about seeing the 78 movie with her dad (they sat in the aisle it was so packed) so my good son quota will make me see it, if only to evoke that memory for my mom.

I still think that cartoon made by the dykes who made She-Ra is worse, that shit is degrading. At least in the Gunn movie Jimmy and Lois are white.
 
The boom is over, the days of niche characters blowing up like Guardians are long gone.

Superman/Batman are all that matter from DC. It’s a massive mistake shoving in nobodies like Mister Terrific, Gay Gardner and the Authority into Superman’s intro film.
Around the same time GotG was riding the crest of the boom, Amazing Spider-Man and Batman vs Superman were underperforming. Batman, the most bankable superhero, got his own solo movie a couple years ago... did ok I guess? But not nearly as well as Avatar 2, a Black Panther movie that didn't have Black Panther in it, or Top Gun. Top superhero movie of 2024 is probably going to be Deadpool, another character who was a literally-who to normalfags, until he was in a popular movie, and then wasn't anymore. Now he gets top billing over WOLVERINE.

I really think most of these problems with IP recognition and "superhero fatigue" would fix themselves if the movies were less shit, or at least a flavor of shit that paying hordes of stupid people can enjoy. I mean, it's something they could at least try. We'll know for sure whether or not a film based on a lesser-known superhero IP can achieve breakout success the next time they make one that isn't horrible (that might be a while).

I think I finally know why I'm not liking the suit.
It's not that it's a mix of Superman suits, it's the fact that it's a mix of Superman suits with no flow to it. It's like the My Adventures with Superman suit, it's being classic, but also fighting against the classic-ness. It looks like a result of a mix-and-match then a proper new suit. Removing the red from the nu52 collar ain't helping either.
I hope it looks better in action.
At least they're not afraid to made it loud and tacky. Not getting my hopes up but nothing particularly worries me about the movie yet, other that WB's curse.
 
I really think most of these problems with IP recognition and "superhero fatigue" would fix themselves if the movies were less shit, or at least a flavor of shit that paying hordes of stupid people can enjoy

i get this,

has there been a not shit superhero film that actually flopped?

all the examples people use are garbage films
 
i get this,

has there been a not shit superhero film that actually flopped?

all the examples people use are garbage films
Dredd, Hulk 03, Hulk 08 although I don't think it's particularly good it isn't shit, Man of Steel isn't great but isn't shit and made so little they had to make Batman v Superman instead of Superman 2, Suicide Squad 2 flopped although I liked it but apparently WB is retarded and thought it was good enough to make Gunn the DC Studio head, Punisher 2 flopped and it's exactly like reading a punisher MAX arc. pick your poison. none are great adaptations outside of Dredd and Hulk but plenty of superhero movies have done very poorly that were better than others that did well.
 
Top superhero movie of 2024 is probably going to be Deadpool, another character who was a literally-who to normalfags, until he was in a popular movie, and then wasn't anymore. Now he gets top billing over WOLVERINE.
Honestly, I could see it being Joker 2 over Deadpool.

I feel like people greatly overestimate Reynolds’ popularity. His last few films have fallen below expectations, even the one with Pokémon attached. Free Guy in particular really soured his reputation with young people. As for Deadpool, it has been over half a decade since the last film, so probably too long to really build off hype. What doesn’t help is that he is being shoved into the decayed MCU and it sounds like the ending is pozzed, so YT grifters likely to hit him. It will make money, but it will probably end up like GOTG3, where it still falls below expectations.

By contrast, Joker is a wild card that can easily hit a billion again. While many are cautious about it, I generally see more optimistic takes for it than Deadpool.
 
Dredd, Hulk 03, Hulk 08 although I don't think it's particularly good it isn't shit, Man of Steel isn't great but isn't shit and made so little they had to make Batman v Superman instead of Superman 2, Suicide Squad 2 flopped although I liked it but apparently WB is retarded and thought it was good enough to make Gunn the DC Studio head, Punisher 2 flopped and it's exactly like reading a punisher MAX arc.

only suicide squad 2 came out after the super hero fatigue story line started being trotted out

i should have made my position more clear,

how many good super hero films have come out post avengers and flopped.

most of the examples given like the marvels, or antman and the wasp are garbage movies in general, so the quesiton is are people tired of super heros or tired of slop and studios cant just shit out a stinker with a super hero on it and expect it to make bank.
 
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only suicide squad 2 came out after the super hero fatigue story line started being trotted out

i should have made my position more clear,

how many good super hero films have come out post avengers and flopped.

most of the examples given like the marvels, or antman and the wasp are garbage movies in general, so the quesiton is are people tired of super heros or tired of slop and studios cant just shit out a stinker with a super hero on it and expect it to make bank.
oh okay that's my bad I misunderstood you. although Dredd, Man of Steel and SS2 were all post avengers. although I do agree most that have flopped or done poorly sucked ass to begin with so I'm not and wasn't disagreeing with your point.
 
oh okay that's my bad I misunderstood you. although Dredd, Man of Steel and SS2 were all post avengers. although I do agree most that have flopped or done poorly sucked ass to begin with so I'm not and wasn't disagreeing with your point.

all gee mate

i should have been more clear,

im just hoping we finally get a decent shake at the DC universe, so many good characters and stories.
 
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all gee mate

i should have been more clear,

im just hoping we finally get a decent shake at the DC universe, so many good characters and stories.
I doubt we will but I hope so too. not to be a us vs them faggot but I really think for the most part DC wipes the floor with Marvel with interesting characters and I think it's a shame they didn't both get to thrive in movies together offering different things. I love both and in a perfect world both could have been thriving and superhero fans could have had the best of both worlds.
 
Seeing the suit picture in the brighter light makes it look better compared to the magazine preview where he was just sitting down with it on
 
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oh okay that's my bad I misunderstood you. although Dredd, Man of Steel and SS2 were all post avengers. although I do agree most that have flopped or done poorly sucked ass to begin with so I'm not and wasn't disagreeing with your point.
Dredd's not really capeshit, I think the public more lumped it in with remakes of action movies like Robocop and Total Recall than thinking, "oh, another superhero movie". MoS didn't do THAT bad. At this point both WB and Disney would probably love some more "flops" that merely underperform while turning a comfortable profit. SS2's probably our best evidence for superhero fatigue (haven't seen it but people seem to like it), and even in its case there were other factors working against it: association with SS1, and of course its goofy name sowing confusion about what it even is.

The Gunnverse at least looks more promising than post-DP&W MCU... nu-Blade, Fantastic Four etc look like WMD-grade box office poison, you'd hope WB can't fuck up any worse than that, but never say never ofc.
 
The only reason I think using the Authority in the new Superman movie is because it might enable the possibility of seeing them and Supes opposed to each other in a big-screen version of Superman vs the Elite. I think right now, with the explosion of deconstructionist try-hard superhero content like The Boys and Invincible, coupled with the character's big-screen portrayal being shackled to the wanton edginess of Zack Snyder, presenting a story where Superman contrasts the violent cynicism of modern superhero media and reminding audiences why he's special might be a good move, and positioning Superman against the Authority might accomplish that.

That is, of course, assuming James Gunn does any of that. I'm not personally keen on anything he does--I thought his Guardians movies were the start of Marvel transitioning into irreverent yuck-yuck fodder, and I hate the Suicide Squad inherently as a concept to give anything even tangentially related to it, be it his version of that team or spin-offs like Peacemaker, one lick of my valuable time.

I'm in the minority on this but I actually kind of dig the new suit for Superman. The lines are a bit much but I like the brighter colors. I'm just happy the old DCEU was put out of it's misery.
I actually like the new suit as well. Maybe it's because I'm starved for a Superman costume that actually has the bright and vibrant colors of the comics--something we've lost slowly with each new post-80s Superman movie's fruitless and eye-rolling pursuit of "muh grit" or "muh realism". The Snyder version was the worst version of all--he looked like he was wearing a body condom covered in fish scales, and the lack of the red trunks just made him look like he had a naked blue guy's torso.

My only hope for the new suit is that the colors aren't muted in post-production. That's what really destroyed rewatches of Man of Steel for me, seeing Superman fly around in a world of greys and teals thanks to Snyder's obnoxious "gritty" color grading, where at its brightest his cape is a brownish maroon, and him and the Kryptonians fighting just devolves into greyscale simulacra with indistinguishable grey and black blobs fighting each other.

I know--imagine the audacity of someone wanting color in their comic book movie.

I can but that's because I've seen tons of interviews with him about other stuff and that seems to be his real personality he's like a happy goofy fuck. that being said he'd kill it at the older supes thing and the fact Gunn kicked him to the curb and they aren't going to at least give him something like that is criminal.
The thing is, Gunn and the current DCU regime want to milk its new stars for a whole swath of sequels and shared-universe crossovers. That means picking up a cast at an age where you can exploit their talents for a decade at least--and Cavill's already in his 40s. If the overseers of the current DCU want to keep this continuity going for as long or longer than the MCU did, they're going to want someone who's not going to be in their 50s when it's inevitably time to do the DC-equivalent of Avengers Endgame ten years from now, or even further.

To be honest with you, I didn't really care who Gunn cast or recast to play Superman--my priority was who he cast as Lois Lane. Amy Adams was a fucking terrible Lois; she didn't look or act like her comic counterpart at all, and she often came off as either bitchy, mopey or some unlikeable middle ground in between in Snyder's films. That's where I have the biggest reservations about Gunn's new Superman movie, more than whatever he does with Supes himself.

The top priority, and something Snyder completely lost in his brain-addled scramble to make his edgy slow-mo anime AMVs masquerading as movies, is to get not only Lois right, but her chemistry with Superman right. Clark and Lois' romance is the literal beating heart of Superman stories; it's what gives his battle stakes, grounds him to a human level during his biggest dilemmas in Metropolis, the one person he confides his anxieties and human emotions to besides the Kents. You need that to get the audience to care (and no, Snyder shitting out dumb melodramatic plattitudes in dialgoue about Lois "being Superman's world" or proposing he'd be a susceptible pawn of Darkseid out of heartbreak for Lois' passing does not count as capturing their romance on-screen. OR his initial plans to have Lois cuck Superman for Batman--and yes, we almost got that in his Justice League sequels).

If Gunn doesn't get that right, the same way Snyder failed to, then this whole Superman film will collapse. Not because of what villain he fights or what costume he wears, or what random DC asshole makes a cameo in his film.
 
I mean I’ll take back all the negativity if Superman ambiguously beats, shames and tears down the Authority’s entire belief system, big blue shaming some liberal extremists and proving the superiority of Truth, Justice and the American way? Fuck yeah, no way in hell it happens cause Gunn likes the Authority but fuck yeah.

The way I see things is the Authority will be, down the line responsible for the “New Breed” in KC, the edgelord anti-hero generation.

Which again, all will be forgiven if the Authority die in the nuke. They’re so detestable, even in their own book, for those not in the know, think of everything you hate about liberal celebrities and multiply it by a million.

“Poofs first.”
 
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