US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Meat Target]

I appreciate the shitposting energy here, but there is a serious question that the average Boomer conservative hasn't properly answered: Is Liberal Democracy worth preserving? Is the government set up by the Founding Fathers was always destined for the two party system, both because of math and that's more or less what happened to the Roman government. Why are the Rights enumerated valuable, especially when people waive their rights in the judicial system in practice and increasingly in real life? Is debate even valuable when people respond to who's the funniest, most charismatic person? Governments have to service people's needs today and Liberal Democracies have shown they are just oligarchies with no sense of noblesse oblige. Our leaders have to be like the Soviet leadership where it has to be a succession of old men passing power to old men because that's how connections and reputation works.

"If the rule is what led you to this, of what use was the rule?"

 

[General Emílio Médici]

I think their entire plan hinges on CNN having full control over what gets seen by the public. That plan just needs one viral clip to be ruined

Which is stupid, that might have worked in 1992 but there is no way they can embargo any embarrassing clips in 2024, especially this far away from the election (the Hunter Laptop had the advantage of time pressure, meaning they could stall it enough to matter).

 

[Meat Target]

Which is stupid, that might have worked in 1992 but there is no way they can embargo any embarrassing clips in 2024, especially this far away from the election (the Hunter Laptop had the advantage of time pressure, meaning they could stall it enough to matter).

Well, SCOTUS just ruled that the government can have any footage of Biden shitting himself or sundowning taken down as "misinformation".

Limits on government can always be circumvented by rules-lawyering with the magic words, like "national security", "public safety", "Our Democracy", "emergency", etc.

 

[pwnest injun]

I hate to agree with Tim Pool but he said something on a recent stream I thought was good advice - any time Biden sounds like he's mumbling or struggling with a sentence, Trump should ask him to repeat himself. It would fluster the shit out of him, if the moderator then managed to repeat Biden's statement coherently despite obvious incoherent speech it would give the game up that they share scripts, and if Biden is working on practiced notes it could throw him off his element a bit.

What Trump should do, what he needs to do, is to accuse Biden of every no-evidence hoax the media perpetuated in the past 8 years. Be like "Excuse me! But why would I ever believe that from a man who called veterans 'suckers and losers' or who called neoNazis 'very fine people'?" Just take every false accusation made against him and then say it was Biden who did it. Then if he tries to argue, just point out that "There's just as much evidence that you said/did it as that I did."

 

[The best and greatest]

Supreme Court gossip for those interested, related to an abortion case in Idaho

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Frankly, I'm all for abolishing any form of American democracy and replacing it with an Absolute Monarch.
I nominate myself as Grand Imperial President.

the only problem with dictatorships is I'm not the dictator

 

[The best and greatest]

the only problem with dictatorships is I'm not the dictator

low IQ take
Real players let some stooge be dictator while they direct things from the shadows

 

[Vic Viper T301]

What Trump should do, what he needs to do, is to accuse Biden of every no-evidence hoax the media perpetuated in the past 8 years. Be like "Excuse me! But why would I ever believe that from a man who called veterans 'suckers and losers' or who called neoNazis 'very fine people'?" Just take every false accusation made against him and then say it was Biden who did it. Then if he tries to argue, just point out that "There's just as much evidence that you said/did it as that I did."

Trump should definitely hit him with the classified documents stuff. That is 100% proof of an orchestrated attempt to get Trump at any cost while sparing Biden for doing the exact same thing only worse.

 

[Gehenna]

They're just making correct rulings that leave constitutional violations unaddressed and allow for future violations because muh standing. Try at least reading the quoted part of the ruling, which is insane fucking bullshit. The government did it, but it stopped, so our hands are tied. The government might not do it in the future, so our hands are tied. This is a legal standard that is glaringly absent in other cases involving civil rights, especially when blacks are involved

Its the correct ruling but for likely the wrong reasons. And those wrong reasons very well could lead to wrong rulings. Additionally, the form of the case being one where it seems to have been intentionally thrown is leading to a schism within the court.

By that logic then Attempted Murder is no crime at all!

And further, the logic presumes that they will still be in authority and uncompromised after the fact. When the crimes are ones that threaten actual electoral process or freedom of speech - i.e. actual subversions of power, then assuming you can punish them retroactively is not a safe assumption.

No? That is stupidity. The actual act is in the name. -Attempted- Murder. An attempt was made, with the intent to murder. That is not a hypothetical that is having tried and failed.

As to the second half, the key there is to go after for what -was- done not what -might- be done. That is why the case is stupid. They were all actively harmed, they had standing on that harm, the decision even says they would have standing on that harm. And notes they didn't actually try to go after that harm.

To paraphrase their case: We were harmed by censorship therefore you need to stop me being harmed in the future.

The problem is... thats not a case. Especially when you utterly fail to (or as I suspect, deliberately do not) connect your current harm to your potential future harm in the filing beyond insinuation. And in many elements even don't bother to link your prior harm to evidence. And they got multiple requests to do so in oral arguments. The whole thing is structurally fucked.

 

[mandatorylurk]

This is funny, liberal Clinton hack Stephanopoulous is married to Ali Wentworth (Jerry's Shmoopy girlfriend from the Soup Nazi episode) and she said they would move to Australia if Trump won in 2016, but they didn't. I wonder if now it's too obvious and he's gonna run away.

Here's a green light for Joepedo to talk , because he doesn't understand time or numbers.

I would hope Trump team check to make sure Trump's A/C isn't off while Joepedo has it full blast.

 

[marvlouslie]

Welp, it's starting early fellas.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

Welp, it's starting early fellas.

Three elections in a row, this is going on in Arizona. Anyone who denies fraud is a thing is completely delusional.

 

[The Last Stand]

No, it seriously is mainly the CRA. It was a large part of what justified the permanent unelected bureaucracy.

The intent of the CRA was to outlaw discrimination based on race/sex unconstitutional for all races. Modern politics has tainted it to allow discrimination BASED on minority status.

 

[The Nothingness]

Have political ads started in your area? The only one I'm seeing right now, from a likely abortion group, is targeting the Republican nominee for NC governor by scaring women about the crazy black man who will force them to have babies and they should vote for their (((white))) savior.

 

[Ghost of Biden]

Have political ads started in your area? The only one I'm seeing right now, from a likely abortion group, is targeting the Republican nominee for NC governor by scaring women about the crazy black man who will force them to have babies and they should vote for their (((white))) savior.

I’ve been seeing a lot about the Alaskan nature preserve.

 

[Meat Target]

Have political ads started in your area? The only one I'm seeing right now, from a likely abortion group, is targeting the Republican nominee for NC governor by scaring women about the crazy black man who will force them to have babies and they should vote for their (((white))) savior.

I don't watch TV, and there are no Senate or gubernatorial elections in my state this year.

Yet, I went to the liquor store this evening, and a TV had Mayorkas spewing his bullshit on there. I can't escape, even when trying to drown it out.

I just wanna grill. More specifically, I wanna fire up a grill and slam the faces of all these congresscritters, urinalists, and bureaucrats into it.

I don't care if democracy dies, because I hate people.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Is the government set up by the Founding Fathers was always destined for the two party system, both because of math and that's more or less what happened to the Roman government. Why are the Rights enumerated valuable, especially when people waive their rights in the judicial system in practice and increasingly in real life? Is debate even valuable when people respond to who's the funniest, most charismatic person? Governments have to service people's needs today and Liberal Democracies have shown they are just oligarchies with no sense of noblesse oblige. Our leaders have to be like the Soviet leadership where it has to be a succession of old men passing power to old men because that's how connections and reputation works.

The current form of the American government is a far cry from what the founding fathers either intended or created. For starters 90% of the current voting population should not be voting. Either because they are white men without land, women, non-white, non-christian or homosexual. I don't think a two party system is inevitable, but is the most likely outcome given those in powers tendency to resist weakening their own power. A three hundred million plus republic ought to be able to create more than two political parties and would do so if the house wasn't capped at 435 members as opposed to the 10,500 thousand we ought to have. Oligarchies form where power is constrained in the fewest hands possible.

 

[Gehenna]

Have political ads started in your area? The only one I'm seeing right now, from a likely abortion group, is targeting the Republican nominee for NC governor by scaring women about the crazy black man who will force them to have babies and they should vote for their (((white))) savior.

They are still delayed and will be until august at least, september at the latest. I mentioned before but both sides are keeping their powder dry since the unique circumstances of the election mean its just not worth doing more than swipping shots at eachother.

 

[marvlouslie]

Three elections in a row, this is going on in Arizona. Anyone who denies fraud is a thing is completely delusional.

And it's in MARICOPA COUNTY. One of the counties Trump's team were absolutely adamant over some fucky wucky shit going on during 2020's election. This should not be lost on those paying attention.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

I think Churchill said it best;

(summarized)

Democracy is a terrible, terrible system doomed to create strife and corruption. It's 3 wolves and a sheep voting on whose for dinner.

But it's the best system we have so far.


And he's right compared to how Communism, Fascism and Monarchy all turned out Democracy has allowed for the best stand of living for the largest amount of people. The trick is like all systems Democracy need a hard re-boot every now and then, when it becomes too corrupt, too burdened with bureaucracy and overwhelmed with the needs of the elites over the need of the people.