US "We are f***ed": Democrats despair over Biden debate performance

From CNN's Kasie Hunt
24 min ago

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Biden speaks during the CNN Presidential Debate on Thursday. John Nowak/CNN

Democrats are despairing over President Joe Biden’s debate performance Thursday night, a showing so halting some even privately raised questions about whether he should remain the party’s nominee.

Biden appeared onstage with a soft, halting voice and an open-mouthed, staring look. He struggled to finish thoughts at points, and ceded ground on issues like abortion where Democrats have an edge.

It took just minutes for Democrats to realize how bad it was becoming.

“Biden looks and sounds terrible. He’s incoherent,” one Democrat who spent time working in the Biden administration said.

“Horrific,” said another Democratic operative.

And one Democrat who’s worked on campaigns up and down the ballot said simply: “We are f***ed.”

The looming question as the debate came to a close was almost existential: Should someone else top the Democratic ticket?

“It’s hard to argue that Biden should be our nominee,” said an operative who’s worked on campaigns at all levels for over a decade.

This debate was historic for many reasons, but not least because it is taking place before each man is formally nominated at their respective conventions. The Democratic National Convention is set to convene August 19 in Chicago.

Democrats have spent much of the past year handwringing about Biden’s chances of beating Trump in an election many view as an existential one that will decide the very survival of American democracy. But Biden himself was determined to be the one to take on Trump, at one point even saying directly: “If Trump wasn’t running, I’m not sure I’d be running.”

No serious Democratic challengers stepped up to run against Biden, and at this point in the campaign he’d have to decide to step aside if Democrats were to pick another nominee. If Biden did withdraw, the Democratic nomination would be decided on the floor.

Democrats were even talking about who it might be instead: “If I was Gavin (Newsom) or Gretchen (Whitmer), I’d be making calls tonight,” one said.

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I hope this is the 'Emperor has No Clothes' moment for many Democrats. Just from a common sense point of view, you can't have someone like that representing your country, especially as president.
If nothing that has happened in the past 8 years wasn't the breaking point then why would this be?
It’s too bad it wasn’t two term generally well liked Vice President Joe Biden’s turn to run for the Democrats in 2016. If that year had been his turn, Democrats would have probably just beaten Trump and we wouldn’t now live in a clown world. Biden could have run for his second term in 2020 against the most bland conventional Republican of all time. Oh well it was the secretary of state’s turn for some reason.
It cannot be overstated how dogshit of a politician Hillary is. I don't think people appreciate how weird it was that she lost the 2008 primaries to a black first term senator with a muslim sounding name.
I don’t know if I can stress this enough.
But it’s officially Her Turn.
I agree, I feel bad for not voting for her in 2016, so I am going to rectify that by voting for her in 2024, It's Still Her Turn.
 
I didn't think Trump did particularly well tonight so the fact Dems are on suicide watch is genuinely surprising
Trump's done lots better in 2016, and lots worse in 2020. I'd say this was about average for him.

Biden did the worst debate performance of not only his career, but basically of all time. He surprised me some in 2020, but this was night and day from that.
 
Reminder that in multiple states the Democratic Party effectively canceled the primaries by effectively making it so Joe Biden is the only choice to vote for. No "serious challengers" could ever step up to run against him because the DNC did everything to stop them.
Reminds me of what they did with Hillary in 2016.
 
You morons had 4 years to find a replacement for Biden, the fact that you never bothered to actually do this makes me think you were never serious about beating Trump.
It's more complicated than that. Neither party is a monolithic entity. The Republicans, traditionally, are the more monolithic entity, but there's obviously friction between say, the libertarian wing of the party and the conservative Christian wing of the party. This has also played out with the House Schizo Caucus holding up every bill forever and keeping the budget from getting passed for half a fucking year.

The Democrats are far worse. The Democrats are split between the old money Democrats, the corpo big government center-left types like the Clintons, the progressive wing, literal, actual socialists and communists, nigger gibsmedats types, and a smattering of neocons that defected during Trump's first term for good measure. The Democrats as a party are completely incoherent and schizophrenic, and frankly only won the last election due to the unpopularity of Trump, because they were able to turn it from a competition between two candidates to a yes/no referendum on Donald Trump.

All of that to say, I genuinely do not believe that the Democrats would've been able to rally behind a single alternative candidate for the 2024 election, and the process in trying to do so would've done irreparable harm to the party, fracturing it along the lines I've described above. It is only because Biden is the sitting President and therefore the default option that the Democrats were saved from doing serious damage to their party unity.

Contrast this with the Republicans, who, despite many senior party leaders publicly and openly disagreeing with Trump, eventually bent the knee and got behind him, because they realized that negotiations behind the scenes on the specifics of carrying out the conservative agenda is a significantly better alternative to handing a W to the Democrats by essentially voting themselves out of power.

I think it is very telling that both candidates are now known entities, as in we, and more importantly the movers and shakers in Washington, have seen both of them perform the job as President of the United States, and that Trump, who lost his reelection bid, is a convicted felon and facing more charges, has had significantly less pushback from his party than Biden, who, the media would have us believe is doing a fine job. This, I believe, paints us a very clear picture of which President was easier to work with and had a more coherent policy team.
 
This entire post just makes me wonder more and more how legitimate American politics are. When you lay them out the RNC and DNC seem more like tard carnivals where everyone is kept in gorilla cages so that their respective antisocial personality disorders can be directed inward. These people come to exist somehow regardless, so it's better to bait them into being mazed vs. whatever they would do when left to their own devices. I guess the architects of that maze would have to be intelligence agencies and moneyhandlers.
 
This entire post just makes me wonder more and more how legitimate American politics are. When you lay them out the RNC and DNC seem more like tard carnivals where everyone is kept in gorilla cages so that their respective antisocial personality disorders can be directed inward. These people come to exist somehow regardless, so it's better to bait them into being mazed vs. whatever they would do when left to their own devices. I guess the architects of that maze would have to be intelligence agencies and moneyhandlers.
American politics is basically football for pseudo-intellectuals. At least the football players aren't faking their athletic abilities. Politicians can't even be honest about what they had for dinner.

I don't mean American politics as a whole. Just how it is treated by a lot of people. Obviously politics have more impact on lives than the Superbowl does. The way a lot of people treat it, you'd think they were rooting for a football team.
 
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This entire post just makes me wonder more and more how legitimate American politics are. When you lay them out the RNC and DNC seem more like tard carnivals where everyone is kept in gorilla cages so that their respective antisocial personality disorders can be directed inward. These people come to exist somehow regardless, so it's better to bait them into being mazed vs. whatever they would do when left to their own devices. I guess the architects of that maze would have to be intelligence agencies and moneyhandlers.
I honestly don't think it's some grand conspiracy. I think it's far more likely that it's just a consequence of trying to appease the appropriate amount of electorate categories to get nominated. "we can't run this guy because, while he is broadly popular and competent and would win a general election handily, he won't win the primary, so we need someone that that can tick the boxes for:
1. Religious
2. Anti abortion
3. Pro gun
4. Fiscally conservative
5. Small government
6. Etc"

What you get is some retard that holds all the right stances but isn't charismatic or is politically or socially retarded, or you get someone that genuinely holds maybe half of those beliefs and cucks out to the convention to get the nomination for the opportunity to be Big Boss. The real problem is that independent voters make up about a third of the electorate, but vote in neither primary, meaning that in order to win the primary you need to be a hard left or hard right schizophrenic, and the people in the middle are stuck with the choices of the parties.
 
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