US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Betonhaus]

Afghanistan was the first crack

No, Biden cancelling the pipeline project on his first day was the first crack. They have just been building and building, and the debate was the final straw where there is no point hiding that he is not doing well to the voter base.

I think there might be some sort of psychology principle in play, where until the Debate everyone was too terrified to be the first one to stick their neck out and say things were going bad and he punished for it, but now the floodgates are open where it's okay to say that things are this bad because no longer anyone halfway sane can deny it.

 

[Jeremiah the Bullfrog]

Certainly, but when Trump called their bluff they should’ve folded. Make whatever pathetic excuse they could to shut it down. Literally anything would’ve been better than what actually happened.

I don't disagree that backing out of the debate would've done less damage than actually showing up. But when we say this, we have the benefit of 20/20 Hindsight. I don't think they expected it to be as bad as it was (I had pretty low expectations and I didn't predict this to be as bad as it was)

They think Trump is a petty man and they were banking on their ability to piss him off and get him to act the fool. If you remember the first debate of 2020 he came in way too hot and looked like a jackass in a lot of people's eyes. And they made little clips of it and spread it around to push the narrative that he didn't have the temperament to be President. In his opening statement, Biden started with the lies about injecting bleach etc. They were trying to get under his skin and get him to act the fool. They figured that even if Biden was senile they could still get a few soundbytes out of it.

What they didn't count on was Trump not taking the bait. If you notice, Trump never insulted Joe Biden directly. The closest you got was "You're running the country into the ground and you're a bad president". He never really brought up Biden's senility either (he let the video speak for itself) the closest you go there was "I don't know what he said at the end of that and I'm pretty sure he doesn't either". They expected Trump to lose his shit and then have their media lackey's pick up the slack. With some selective editing you could spin the narrative (again) that Trump is volatile and unstable while ignoring the fact that your guy is senile. Trump didn't give them that. Instead he told Biden "Let's stop acting like children".

Biden underperformed dramatically, but they didn't expect Trump to overperform (which he did. I'm not a big fan of Trump's debate style but he did go over the bar).

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A five point lead is fucking huge, and this was BEFORE the debate

I'm really interested to see what the polls are after this debate.

More great news. Thanks chomo joe for making this election cycle very easy for us
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I tend to believe this is accurate but where it's going to get interesting is when the funding starts to get cut. I can't imagine that the big donors are going to keep shoveling money at this shit show and right now the narrative isn't about whether or not Trump is a Menace to Society While Drinking Juice in the Hood (which is what they were running on). The narrative is whether or not Joe should stay in. I think the 2008 Obama Campaign was the first campaign to crack a billion dollars, I don't know what one costs now but I can only imagine it's a lot more. They're going to run dry on funding (which is going to make it harder for them to counter the narrative that Joe is a pants shitting retard).

The good news out of all of this is that (I believe) there is a limited amount of time where they could transfer Biden's war chest to another candidate. I don't know what that timeline looks like @Gehenna could probably explain it. Which means that the longer he remains delusional about his chances, the harder it's going to be to move that money to another candidate (who likely doesn't have the same name recognition Biden does). I do think once the finances become clear, there's a pretty significant chance he's going to hang up his spurs.

Even then, you're not going to get the heavy hitters (what few there are) to come off the bench. They're walking into a shit show. All you have to say to anybody in this administration is that they knew about Joe's condition and lied to the American People about it. Remember last week, they were going on about 'Cheap Fakes'.

And why would Newsom or Whitmer jump in when all they have to do is wait until 2028 and not be tainted by the stink of whatever the fuck Biden's campaign has been doing. Their going to come into this with limited funding and little time to get their name out there. If they do sub him out, it's going to be for a no-name candidate. Somebody way back in the line who sees this as a chance to jump forward or someone who's been relegated to obscurity and sees this as a Hail Mary attempt to get back into public life (Beto maybe?).

But even then, you have to get Joe to step down, which is not a foregone conclusion even after the reality starts to sink in.

 

[King Metalia]

No, people just wanted Trump gone. But now that it's been 4 years and it's abundantly clear that Biden's worse, there's no way he's winning clean this time.

I don't even like Trump, I just think it's funny that after the Democrats smugness over winning the white house in 2020 that it is Trump who will have the last laugh.

 

[chiobu]

Hahahaha the blacks aren't buying it from Kamala Harris at the BET awards

 

[GloryHole Stalker]

...Or did they completely remove the President from the football like they did in 1988?

Do you have some details on that? I can't find anything via internet search (and I'd think the left run tech media would love any chance they can get to shit on Reagan). I've never heard this before. Not doubting you, just looking for info since I can't find any via the internet.

 

[Dr J]

The good news out of all of this is that (I believe) there is a limited amount of time where they could transfer Biden's war chest to another candidate.

They can't. Legally that money belongs to the Biden campaign. If he drops out they have to give at all back. Even if Harris replaces him because legally that's still a separate campaign

 

[FieldPiece]

I hope they don't replace Biden. It doesn't even make sense to do it. Frankly it is beneficial if he either loses to orange man or gets cheated in. If he loses the DNC can say "it's the old whiteys fault". If he gets cheated in the economy will surely implode under his watch and they will blame it on whitey.

If that happens watch them try the ole party switcheroo like Joe was actually a Republican the entire time. These people are the living manifestations of the truism that democracy is not rule by the people, it is rule by whoever controls information. CNN will say Biden was actually a rightoid and the ghouls will gobble it up.

Whatever happens for the election it is gonna be a clusterfuck. I will now autisyicallly list scenarios I find plausible

1: Biden wins legit, whole world erupts into a global clusterfuck, depression, possible nuclear exchange
2: Trump wins, tries to actually drain the swamp. Has an "accident". Retarded Americans do not burn down Washington and ever federal building as a result
3: Trump wins, GOP cucks to DNC lawfare and installs Biden anyways. Texas throws a shitfit about secession but pussies out
4:Trump wins but is hobbled the entire term by dumb boomer mindset unwilling to flip the table and just start executing congress members
5:Biden wins, stacks the court, America is officially dead
6: Biden wins, Texas seceeds but due to feds and Meheeco gets flattened.

:A majority of states seceed after Biden blatantly steals the election. The stars and bars are hoisted high and proud. DC is nuked and total nigger death is enacted. Dixie becomes the national anthem and all of the policies set forth in "If The South Would've Won" are enacted. All women are sent by railcar to Georgia to learn to smile while Josh Moon plays a fiddle made in Virginia.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Strategically i think their best move is to eat this loss and not jeopardize the political reputation of their 2028 field too early. the Biden-Harris campaign would be a boat anchor around the neck of the replacement.

 

[pwnest injun]

If, in the unlikely instance, of biden dropping out and the party nominating a replacement beshear would be their best bet. He is a well spoken white man from a southern state. he's governed decently well (because every other state office is GOP, and he claims credit) and is a national unknown.

if he doesn't get the nod this time he will in 2028. he is clearly setting the ground work for then. if he's smart he stays out now and doesn't risk his career. but he could win.

He doesn't have the national name recognition that would be necessary this close to the election. Remember, the Dems prime target group are the chronically uninformed. They can't possibly win without that cohort. That's why their only options, impo, are Harris, Clinton or Obama. They have the profile necessary to get the dummies to say "I recognize that name!" and put their mark by it.

 

[Dr J]

I hope they don't replace Biden

They can't, and they know it. All this is just chest thumping.

All the delegates are legally bound to vote for Biden. All the top DNC people (so, the Super Delegates) are Biden people. Basically, nothing is going to happen if Biden himself refuses to drop out, which is what's happening. If Biden drops dead that might be a different story but they're not getting a new candidate any other way

 

[Catboy Ranch]

Link | Archive

Biden's family urges him to 'keep fighting' as donors look for alternatives​

A top campaign official held a tense call with donors Sunday, laying out what would happen to the campaign infrastructure should Biden step aside — stressing he had no plans to do so.

It's a non-starter. People hate Kamala more than they despise him.

The easier option is to spin this as 'you're voting for the minions, not the leader'. Then Obama comes out for an apology tour to assure everyone it's OK.

Given how every western country is in the middle of flipping, Britain going to the left and the EU going to the right, I doubt this strategy will work.

 

[FieldPiece]

They can't, and they know it. All this is just chest thumping.

All the delegates are legally bound to vote for Biden. All the top DNC people (so, the Super Delegates) are Biden people. Basically, nothing is going to happen if Biden himself refuses to drop out, which is what's happening. If Biden drops dead that might be a different story but they're not getting a new candidate any other way

I feel like you're giving them too much trust. When have these faggots ever played by the rules? They used CIA fuckfuck games to depose Nixon. They tricked that retard Reagan into giving out amnesty then never held up their end of the bargain. They killed JFK. They straight up stole an election in 2020. Frankly even assuming these bastards will just steal an election is giving too much credit. These fuckers could say the sky is blue and you still shouldn't trust them even if you see the sky is indeed blue.

The reason there's so many pedos in power isn't because pedos are particularly politically astute. It's because the people in charge rank very high on the machiavellianism and sadism index. These bastards don't care about laws or rules, they care about power. Unfortunately they aren't honest like Ghengis Khan or Julius Cesar. They don't have any honest power. So instead of just killing their rivals they send them to the paperwork dimension.

It should be law that every political official needs to be able to bench their own bodyweight. The faggot tier behavior seen in most politicians is because they are bitchmade niggas who would die in a street fight. Anyone who can't back up their ideas with muscles is a certified retard.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Biden underperformed dramatically, but they didn't expect Trump to overperform (which he did.

There's a time to take the high road and Trump saw it in the debate there. Why make fun of a senile man when letting him speak torpedoes the campaign?

Their going to come into this with limited funding and little time to get their name out there. If they do sub him out, it's going to be for a no-name candidate. Somebody way back in the line who sees this as a chance to jump forward or someone who's been relegated to obscurity and sees this as a Hail Mary attempt to get back into public life (Beto maybe?).

My money is still on Stacey Abrams for the sacrificial lamb.

It's a non-starter. People hate Kamala more than they despise him.

Kamala is a non-starter because of Jill too.

 

[pwnest injun]

Something that I often see are posters who think that Biden is entirely surrounded and controlled by Obama's people. Worth considering is that Biden has been in DC politics for something like a quarter of this nation's history. He has his own vultures that follow him around and feed on his leavings. Long time operatives, not just his family. I'd wager those were the people responsible for taking Harris out of the picture after all the "a Harris administration, with Joe Biden" bullshit of 2020, and I'd assume they're the same ones now keeping this shambolic corpse going for their own benefit.

My money is still on Stacey Abrams for the sacrificial lamb.

Abrams does have the name recognition, but she has even less qualifications than PP Buttigieg. I think that her highest elected office as a professional politician of 20+ years was as a state senator.. Still, the main qualification of a presidential candidate is, "do people know your name?"

 

[Disc]

In my eyes, there are three primary groupings of democrats in terms of the election as a concept: the Pragmatists, the Grippers and the Existentialists.

In rough order of prominence:
The Existentialists believe, one hundred percent, that trump winning = 4th Reich. full on nazi state overnight. Or, at the very least, that it will spell something equivalent for them, if they're something like a pedophile or that. They want to do anything, anything it takes, to win, and if that means throwing biden out on his ass, so be it. This is a lot of the progs and the zealots.

The Grippers are those who see the same possibility, but rather than it being trump winning, it's Their Faction (there are multiple groups under the dnc banner which might be Their Faction for any given Gripper) within the dnc losing power. This is your old guard, your clintons, your bidens. They are ridin' with biden until the end, or they at least don't want to blow their load to save him. but the dumber ones may be convinced to jump in and try to pick up the torch to seize more power

And the pragmatists are people who, for one reason or another, have come to terms with the fact that a loss now is the best thing that could happen to the dnc, either breaking it entirely or just giving them some time to rework themselves. These people, if they are still part of the Democrats officially, are keeping their thoughts to themselves, probably knowing that the incoherence of the other two factions will only help prove their point if it continues, and they might lose their jobs if they pop up too early. Most of these people are now voting R.

 

[Wii U]

Hahahaha the blacks aren't buying it from Kamala Harris at the BET awards

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Seriously, she doesn't have to pander to black people. She's a Democrat. She could call them dumb niggers and most of them will still vote for her because she has a D in front of her name. Just as long as she's not gay.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Abrams does have the name recognition, but she has even less qualifications than PP Buttigieg. I think that her highest elected office as a professional politician of 20+ years was as a state senator.. Still, the main qualification of a presidential candidate is, "do people know your name?"

I say Abrams because of three things. She's hungry for power, she's stupid enough to take the offer, and her losing would shut up some very vocal parts of the party.

 

[Jeremiah the Bullfrog]

Abrams does have the name recognition, but she has even less qualifications than PP Buttigieg. I think that her highest elected office as a professional politician of 20+ years was as a state senator.. Still, the main qualification of a presidential candidate is, "do people know your name?"

You're not going to get an A-Lister signing on. You're going to find someone who's either a no-name or who's had their shot and lost it going in. Abrams might try for it.

They can't. Legally that money belongs to the Biden campaign. If he drops out they have to give at all back. Even if Harris replaces him because legally that's still a separate campaign

And I'm asking, I thought there was a way campaigns could contribute to other campaigns (or into a PAC). If a candidate decides to not run again, that money can't be used for their personal use and doesn't just sit frozen forever. I'm almost certain that there's a way to move it around (and how you are allowed to move it is time sensitive).

 

[pwnest injun]

You're not going to get an A-Lister signing on. You're going to find someone who's either a no-name or who's had their shot and lost it going in. Abrams might try for it.

She may also allow them to claim Georgia is now in play... It's not a bad move at all, and could help them save face in some regards.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

They're going to run Biden. Pulling him at this point would be CATASROPHIC. Their only chance of winning right now it to stick with Biden and gaslight as hard as they can to make the fraud on Election night believable. That is their only hope at this point. They know this. We know this. They aren't dropping Biden.