David Steel / LazerPig / Ricewynd / Malquistion - Pathological Liar, Reddit Historian, Femboy Thirster, and Vore Connoisseur

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

Of all the things the West might be able to do in 2025 this probably won't be it.

Considering how badly a lot of the centrist and left wing parties in Europe lost in their elections, it'll be an uphill battle.

Yes, but his idiocity inevitably invites a lot of discussion about how history actually was and how the war he shills for is going.

Yeah except this thread treats the war and milspergs with infinitely more nuance than Piggy ever did.

 

[Tomoko]

I remember last year seeing a video where Lazerpig talked about his dox and a stream where he explain why he wouldn't volunteer to ukraine (and his excuse was that he was fat)
Anyone got those videos/clips? I cant seem to find them on his channel.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

I remember last year seeing a video where Lazerpig talked about his dox and a stream where he explain why he wouldn't volunteer to ukraine (and his excuse was that he was fat)
Anyone got those videos/clips? I cant seem to find them on his channel.

See if you can find it on Animarchy's channel, he does a lot of livestreams with Piggy.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Yeah except this thread treats the war and milspergs with infinitely more nuance than Piggy ever did.

Believe it or not I'm not happy about the war. I find the reasoning quite stupid really. To me, a outsider, it looks like slavs killing other slavs in a endless blood feud, 21st century style. I find the weapons cool, yeah, but I don't enjoy the, you know, a entire generation of young men dying for what is basically nothing.

 

[Tomoko]

I like how nobody laughed.
"We are watching a real life war being own through trolling"
"There's gonna be essays written in war colleges in 30 years time about meme warfare unironically"
- Animarchy

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2181016741?filter=all&sort=time

shit quality because I wanted to make the file small

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

Believe it or not I'm not happy about the war. I find the reasoning quite stupid really. To me, a outsider, it looks like slavs killing other slavs in a endless blood feud, 21st century style. I find the weapons cool, yeah, but I don't enjoy the, you know, a entire generation of young men dying for what is basically nothing.

Drone warfare is cool and all but at the end of the day these are real people dying for seemingly no reason other than for the egos of the dictators on both sides.

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I like how nobody laughed.
"We are watching a real life war being own through trolling"
"There's gonna be essays written in war colleges in 30 years time about meme warfare unironically"
- Animarchy

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2181016741?filter=all&sort=time

shit quality because I wanted to make the file small

Self-importance where it isn't warranted is a gateway to one's downfall.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Drone warfare is cool and all but at the end of the day these are real people dying for seemingly no reason other than for the egos of the dictators on both sides

Ego is all it is. No matter who wins, Ukraine is going to take decades to rebuild. Same with Russia. Let's not even get started on the population issues both are going to run into a decade out. It's going to do more damage long term than the war itself ever could.

 

[InnocentKitten]

The Russians can only manage 300m on a good day. Even if they break the AFU of men or materials, its not like they'll be making 5-10k advances willy nilly

There have been 1-5km advances probably daily in several sectors increasingly for months now.. I'm not autistic enough to pay attention to daily reports but even i'm aware of that x3

 

[ZTZ-99A]

It very much evens the score on air superiority. Not completely. But Ukrainian jets, helicopters, and drones aren't completely grounded. It's why it's turned into such a artillery duel as of late.

Disagree, Ukraine can't drop glide bombs constantly like Russia can, Russia very much has air superiority, just not air supremacy.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Disagree, Ukraine can't drop glide bombs constantly like Russia can, Russia very much has air superiority, just not air supremacy.

Define air superiority. Ukraine still has planes 2 years in. That's not air superiority. That is hotly contested airspace.

 

[ZTZ-99A]

Define air superiority. Ukraine still has planes 2 years in. That's not air superiority. That is hotly contested airspace.

No it's not, Americans have a terrible habit of equating air superiority and air supremacy, Ukrainian aircraft CANNOT contest Russian aircraft, they must stay within their AD bubble and hug the ground at all times, meanwhile Russia can send up Su-34s to lob glide bombs from 70km away, if there was aerial parity, these Su-34s would be attacked by combat air patrols, and there would be actual BVR engagements between the VKS and PS ZSU, but there isn't because Ukraine has no BVR capability beyond R-27s while Russia can safely lob R-37s and R-77s from far outside their engagement ranges.

the Gulf War was Air supremacy, Vietnam varied between air superiority and air supremacy for the USA, the Iran-Iraq war was air superiority for Iran until the later war when their logistics broke down, NATO intervention in the Yugoslav wars was total air supremacy, as far as air superiority goes, the VKS is actually doing pretty decently at this point, they've figured out how to conduct effective ground attack with glide bombs, and as long as they're out of Ukraine's limited air defence bubbles they have a lot of breathing room to do stuff, the biggest issue for them is the Ukrainians being sneaky and dragging SAMs up dangerously close to the front, which is how they managed a few high profile shoot downs.

 

[WelperHelper99]

No it's not, Americans have a terrible habit of equating air superiority and air supremacy, Ukrainian aircraft CANNOT contest Russian aircraft, they must stay within their AD bubble and hug the ground at all times, meanwhile Russia can send up Su-34s to lob glide bombs from 70km away, if there was aerial parity, these Su-34s would be attacked by combat air patrols, and there would be actual BVR engagements between the VKS and PS ZSU, but there isn't because Ukraine has no BVR capability beyond R-27s while Russia can safely lob R-37s and R-77s from far outside their engagement ranges.

the Gulf War was Air supremacy, Vietnam varied between air superiority and air supremacy for the USA, the Iran-Iraq war was air superiority for Iran until the later war when their logistics broke down, NATO intervention in the Yugoslav wars was total air supremacy, as far as air superiority goes, the VKS is actually doing pretty decently at this point, they've figured out how to conduct effective ground attack with glide bombs, and as long as they're out of Ukraine's limited air defence bubbles they have a lot of breathing room to do stuff, the biggest issue for them is the Ukrainians being sneaky and dragging SAMs up dangerously close to the front, which is how they managed a few high profile shoot downs.

That's a lot of cope. Russia should have dismantled their air force in a week. The fact they have to do long range strikes instead of thunder runs says a lot. Its contested air space. Get over it.

 

[Tomoko]

Someone posted a the Ukrainian court case about lira on his thread
I don't Know how to link other threads to this so im just gonna post the link to the court document.
Now I can't read legal stuff but I don't find any account regarding to CRP being arrest in April 2022 like he claimed.
And since they close the case I think they would have mentioned. So unless im missing something Lira was only arrested once.
Lazerpig on his last interview did talk about lira and the lie he told on a previous interview with digital vagrant, he admitted the information he had was wrong but did not 't comment how the supposedly got that information and he refer to Liras arrest as the "second one".
So he lied once and got the story partially wrong a second time.

Now if can somehow prove that he didn't contact the agency that he claim he did I will be happy.

https://opendatabot.ua/court/112640892-d715178a549d3a15635c6f1ec9d020f0

 

[ZTZ-99A]

That's a lot of cope. Russia should have dismantled their air force in a week.

The main reason the US destroyed the Iraqi air force in a week was most of their aircraft were destroyed on the ground, Ukraine had early warning and got most of their aircraft off the ground, that coupled with Ukraine having a pretty decent IADS network at the start of the war (pretty much a more outdate but still good, and smaller version of Russias) led to Russia failing to destroy them, but their air force is combat ineffective beyond cruise missile slinging (which is still a big deal, but would be impossible to stop without waging the hardest SEAD campaign in history).

The fact they have to do long range strikes instead of thunder runs says a lot. Its contested air space. Get over it.

What the fuck do you mean thunder runs? Do you expect them to provide CAS when they have SHORAD and shitloads of MANPADS? also yes it is contested that's what Air superiority means you fucking retard, air supremacy is uncontested airspace. Are you going to tell me the USA didn't have air superiority in vietnam? because the NVA did a lot more with their airforce than the Ukrainians have.

 

[WelperHelper99]

The main reason the US destroyed the Iraqi air force in a week was most of their aircraft were destroyed on the ground, Ukraine had early warning and got most of their aircraft off the ground, that coupled with Ukraine having a pretty decent IADS network at the start of the war (pretty much a more outdate but still good, and smaller version of Russias) led to Russia failing to destroy them, but their air force is combat ineffective beyond cruise missile slinging (which is still a big deal, but would be impossible to stop without waging the hardest SEAD campaign in history).

Yeah, I am in fact saying they should have gone hard on SEAD and gone full desert storm. They were fucking idiots and LET them get in the air. They ALLOWED this to happen.

What the fuck do you mean thunder runs? Do you expect them to provide CAS when they have SHORAD and shitloads of MANPADS? also yes it is contested that's what Air superiority means you fucking retard, air supremacy is uncontested airspace. Are you going to tell me the USA didn't have air superiority in vietnam? because the NVA did a lot more with their airforce than the Ukrainians have.

I expect them to pull a desert storm against a inferior smaller foe. They did not.

 

[ZTZ-99A]

Yeah, I am in fact saying they should have gone hard on SEAD and gone full desert storm. They were fucking idiots and LET them get in the air. They ALLOWED this to happen.

I expect them to pull a desert storm against a inferior smaller foe. They did not.

Ukraine is not Iraq you massive retard, the AFU would demolish the fucking Iraqi army, desert storm was a massive coalition obliterating the single most overrated military on earth, Ukraine was an 8 year prepared military with a huge cadre of veterans, the Iraqi army was a destroyed military from the Iran Iraq war with majority 50s-60s era equipment, and didn't have any of the asymmetric tools the Ukrainians currently have (Drones, NATO intel, etc). I'm not saying Russia didn't fuck up, I'm simply trying to state that air superiority isn't air supremacy, it's very convenient you ignored my point about Vietnam as well.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Ukraine is not Iraq you massive retard, the AFU would demolish the fucking Iraqi army, desert storm was a massive coalition obliterating the single most overrated military on earth, Ukraine was an 8 year prepared military with a huge cadre of veterans, the Iraqi army was a destroyed military from the Iran Iraq war with majority 50s-60s era equipment, and didn't have any of the asymmetric tools the Ukrainians currently have (Drones, NATO intel, etc). I'm not saying Russia didn't fuck up, I'm simply trying to state that air superiority isn't air supremacy, it's very convenient you ignored my point about Vietnam as well.

AF what, i don't speak retard. You completely underestimate Iraq because you A: know no one that fought in it, and B: it goes against your commie dick sucking. The russians had THIRTY YEARS to reverse engineer that and they COULDNT. They are fucking idiots with contested air space two years in. And why did i ignore Vietnam? Unlike Russia, we had politicians tying our arms behind our backs. We were not ALLOWED to go full tilt you wumao mongloid. Desert Storm is when we were. Vietnam would have been over in half the time if we had been allowed to actually advance. But i'm not talking Nam, i'm talking Ukraine. Which you're trying to distract from. No body has air superiority. The air space is fucking contested. Fuck your glib tounge trying to make it look otherwise. Ukraine still has planes. They should not. Russia is a failure in the air, as usual. They have always been ground pounders.

 

[InnocentKitten]

you do realize Ukraine has also been receiving old aircraft from ex-warsaw pact countries, and probably from elsewhere throughout the war? and you are comparing the SMO in Ukraine to desert storm, a war fought primarily in Kuwait, a desert nation hardly even 200km deep at its widest.. you're arguments are just absurd..

 

[WelperHelper99]

you do realize Ukraine has also been receiving old aircraft from ex-warsaw pact countries, and probably from elsewhere throughout the war? and you are comparing the SMO in Ukraine to desert storm, a war fought primarily in Kuwait, a desert nation hardly even 200km deep at its widest.. you're arguments are just absurd..

And russia is still building planes in FACTORIES. Motherfucker, i can do math. Russia should be able to drop bombs at 50,000 feet without getting intercepted at this point. They should have blown their airfields to shreds, completely obliterated any repair facilities, any airfuel depots, literally all aircraft infrastructure. Cant fly a plane if you don't have a runway. They did not. Thats why they are still allowing the Ukranians to contest the air. They. Fucked. Up.

 

[ZTZ-99A]

AF what, i don't speak retard

Armed Forces of Ukraine.

You completely underestimate Iraq because you A: know no one that fought in it, and B: it goes against your commie dick sucking.

My friends dad was deployed in the gulf war and the troubles, he was far more scared of the IRA. Also how am I commie dicksucking what does ODS have to do with Communism? Russia is massively incompetent but it doesn't mean the VKS don't have air superiority, Iraq had an outdated air defence network, an outdated armoured force, was fresh out of the Iran Iraq war which dealt massive economic and military damage, and any "modern" equipment was sparce and still outdated or gimped, their MiG-29s had no R-27s, etc. The fact of the matter is the Iraqi military was vastly outdated, and some fucking boot going "oh wow an Iraqi shot at me with an AK ODS was so scary!!! Doesn't change that fact.

he russians had THIRTY YEARS to reverse engineer that and they COULDNT

Ukraine had 8 years of being armed, trained, and fortifying, everyone post desert storm also had 30 years of going "WOW we really shouldn't fuck up like Iraq did!" The wars also aren't comparable, the terrain is different, the adversary is different, the politics of the situation are completely different.

They are fucking idiots with contested air space two years in.

Name a single example of Ukrainians scoring a verified air to air kill.

And why did i ignore Vietnam? Unlike Russia, we had politicians tying our arms behind our backs.

Russia invaded with 190k people, part of this was down to politics, also cope you still lost lol.

We were not ALLOWED to go full tilt you wumao mongloid

Because the Soviets and China would have gotten involved, you wouldn't want another Resist America Assist Korea blunder now would you? That's not America going "Oh no politics make it hard for us to actually fight!" That's the exact same reason Russia isn't downing NATO AWACS in the black sea.

Which you're trying to distract from

No I'm using another example of AIR SUPERIORITY NOT AIR SUPREMACY

Fuck your glib tounge trying to make it look otherwise

It's literally just a definition bro why are you so fucking mad? Literally google it yourself there's a difference.

Russia should be able to drop bombs at 50,000 feet without getting intercepted at this point.

That is literally what they're doing with FABs with glide kits.

hey should have blown their airfields to shreds, completely obliterated any repair facilities, any airfuel depots, literally all aircraft infrastructure.

Unlike Iraq Ukraine has functioning air defences for one, and had/has huge early warning for every missile barrage.

Cant fly a plane if you don't have a runway

A vast majority of Ukrainian air operations take place from highways.